Budaj and Moen

[siriushab]

Is it time for these two to go? Worse case if the two were waived and not picked up they would only eat up 1.4 mil in cap, fill in spots with Tokarski and a Heavyweight for just over a million, habs can save 500g's + on the cap and would be better off. Thoughts?

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[Sorinth]

It's certainly a way to save money (Budaj would probably be claimed). But we already have tons of cap space so there's little point in doing it right now.

Whether we would be better is debatable, replacing Moen with another Parros makes us worse. As for Tokarski/Budaj that's something to watch at training camp. If Tokarski outplays him then yes cutting Budaj makes sense. I would even be in favour of trading Budaj now and taking the risk of Tokarski not being truly ready if we could get a decent return.

 

[FuzzyWuzzy]

I think Moen's work on the PK and on the cycle is extremely under rated. He's a big reason of why our PK was so dominant when he was playing with Plekanec.

Budaj, at this point (all tokarskis considered), is expendable.

 

[HabsFanJosh]

Moen is completely expendable. If Gorges was moved in order to make cap room and space for prospects, so too should Moen.

Budaj, keep him. I'm not sure if there are waiver problem with Tokarski, but if there aren't and he can be reassigned to the AHL he should be there. He'd get more ice time and he'd give a bad Hamilton team a chance to be good, giving our prospects some well needed confidence. It's also more likely for guys like Nygren to stay on a good AHL team rather than go back to Sweden.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

It's funny, when the playoffs ended I was sure that either Edmonton or Winnipeg would be all over Tokarsky in the off season as a potentially cheap upgrade over their respective starting options. I wonder if Bergy got any calls for him after his playoff heroics. I figured the team could get a few picks out of Tokarsky while his stock was rising. I don't think Budaj would fetch much of a return so we might as well keep him in his current role. He's as good a backup as we could find elsewhere.

 

[V13]

Moen should be moved. Either through trade or waivers. He's on the decline and with his recent concussion issues i don't think we'll ever see him back to top form. That's almost 2m off the book this + next year

Budaj should also ideally be moved as well but moving Moen should be a priority before that. If not then it's never a bad thing to have an experienced backup and good lockeroom guy so keeping him would be fine as well. He's also UFA next year so if MB doesn't want him back he can just let him walk

That said i think the real priority should be to move a center for a RW. Not sure which one of DD , Plekanec or Eller (although DD would be ideal) and for who but it's just a logical move to make imho. If the Habs ever want to develop Galchenyuk as a center they need to not waste too many time and do it now. It would be killing two birds with one stone :Filling a void to the RW and permanently moving Galchenyuk to center. Moving Moen and Budaj shouldn't be as pressing as that

 

[hototogisu]

It's funny, when the playoffs ended I was sure that either Edmonton or Winnipeg would be all over Tokarsky in the off season as a potentially cheap upgrade over their respective starting options. I wonder if Bergy got any calls for him after his playoff heroics. I figured the team could get a few picks out of Tokarsky while his stock was rising. I don't think Budaj would fetch much of a return so we might as well keep him in his current role. He's as good a backup as we could find elsewhere.

I don't think many teams see Tokarski as a bonafide starter option, either now or in the future. And rightfully IMO, he's just not that good. And there's still more proven goalies out there in free agency that may cost a little more but have a little more certainty attached to them (and they don't cost any assets to acquire except cash).

 

[Scotianhab]

I can still see a team like Winnipeg trading for Tokarski. With McDonald in Hamilton he would be a suitable replacement if Budaj ever got hurt. As far as Moen goes I honestly thought he would be traded around the draft to a western team looking for grit & playoff experience.

 

[OldCraig71]

For everyone that wants to move Moen, think of injuries and depth and struggling rookies etc....

 

[HabsFanJosh]

For everyone that wants to move Moen, think of injuries and depth and struggling rookies etc....

For the role he'd be given on the team, he's replaceable by many. Assuming Sekac makes the team, that leaves Bournival, De La Rose, Andrighetto, and Dumont in Hamilton, plus a few more who could surprise. We have depth in LH wingers, and have enough of them that play with some grit and have a good defensive game.

 

[Sthabs]

If cap space is not an issue...

Keep Budaj he can play 10-15 games if Price isnt injured. If he is then call up Tokarski (who I think still has some polishing to do in the AHL) and split the games between them or go with the hot hand. Then let Budaj go at the end of the season if Tokarski s ready.
Problem with Budaj is that he can t keep the net for more than a couple of games in a row but is more than adequate for a game here or there.

I d keep Moen too in case if Sekac, Ghetto or DLR or whoever arent ready yet and cant carve themselves a spot, I d prefer to have Moen on the 3rd line than a 4th liner like Weise. Weise is all about speend and crashing n the corners, Moen is more about solid defense and positionnal play, more suited for the 3rd line if it ll be a checking line imo.
If a young guy can impress the I d trade him after the beginning of the season, there s always teams looking for a sue value after their own can t make themselves a spot too. It probably wont b for much but better than nothing.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

I would keep both of them until a team experiences a lot of injuries. We’ve seen the likes of Mike Brown (4th round pick from the Sharks), Tim Jackman (6th round pick from the Ducks), Lane MacDermid (6th round pick from the Flames), Derek Dorsett (3rd round pick from the Canucks) get dealt in the last year and I think all of these guys are comparable to Moen to a certain extent in terms of value.

As for Budaj, I would keep 3 goalies to start the season. If a team feels like their back-up is not ready/good enough (Chicago with Raanta or Columbus with McBackup) then you can get something good for Budaj.

 

[Forlando]

Moen should be moved. Either through trade or waivers. He's on the decline and with his recent concussion issues i don't think we'll ever see him back to top form. That's almost 2m off the book this + next year

Budaj should also ideally be moved as well but moving Moen should be a priority before that. If not then it's never a bad thing to have an experienced backup and good lockeroom guy so keeping him would be fine as well. He's also UFA next year so if MB doesn't want him back he can just let him walk

That said i think the real priority should be to move a center for a RW. Not sure which one of DD , Plekanec or Eller (although DD would be ideal) and for who but it's just a logical move to make imho. If the Habs ever want to develop Galchenyuk as a center they need to not waste too many time and do it now. It would be killing two birds with one stone :Filling a void to the RW and permanently moving Galchenyuk to center. Moving Moen and Budaj shouldn't be as pressing as that

Basically, this with regards to Moen and Budaj.

With respect to the Centers...I think that is going to happen at the trade dealine.

 

[Guy Germaine]

I think Moen will be usefull, unless you think Prust, Weiss and Malhotra are 82 game guys.

Maybe Sekac is really good and bumps Bournival down a notch, then Prust and Moen are extras. I can't see Bourni not being part of the opening night roster the way he played in the PO.

As for Budaj, I figured they'll wait until a team is more desperate for a goalie and see what offers they can get.

 

[Forlando]

If cap space is not an issue...

Keep Budaj he can play 10-15 games if Price isnt injured. If he is then call up Tokarski (who I think still has some polishing to do in the AHL) and split the games between them or go with the hot hand. Then let Budaj go at the end of the season if Tokarski s ready.
Problem with Budaj is that he can t keep the net for more than a couple of games in a row but is more than adequate for a game here or there.

I d keep Moen too in case if Sekac, Ghetto or DLR or whoever arent ready yet and cant carve themselves a spot, I d prefer to have Moen on the 3rd line than a 4th liner like Weise. Weise is all about speend and crashing n the corners, Moen is more about solid defense and positionnal play, more suited for the 3rd line if it ll be a checking line imo.
If a young guy can impress the I d trade him after the beginning of the season, there s always teams looking for a sue value after their own can t make themselves a spot too. It probably wont b for much but better than nothing.

Cap space is always an issue, if you save money on it, you are in abetter position to trade for a guy with a big prize tag.

 

[Ice Poutine]

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Trading both these guys right now wouldnt bring back much to the Habs but play them normally and wait till after Xmas when the trade deadline looms and some clubs who are weak in backup goaltending or defensive specialists will be looking for what they think are solutions and the returns when you trade them at THAT time will be much more interesting.

 

[Sthabs]

Cap space is always an issue, if you save money on it, you are in abetter position to trade for a guy with a big prize tag.

for sure, that s if there is a trade on the table.
if not...keep them as depth.
In the off season, if there is an imminent trade teams can go over the cap space by I think 10 or 15% (15 I think) so it s not an issue you can always get rid of them before the season starts

 

[Sorinth]

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Trading both these guys right now wouldnt bring back much to the Habs but play them normally and wait till after Xmas when the trade deadline looms and some clubs who are weak in backup goaltending or defensive specialists will be looking for what they think are solutions and the returns when you trade them at THAT time will be much more interesting.

When was the last time a team paid a premium for a backup goaltender at trade deadline? Budaj's value won't change much at all between now and trade deadline, and the number of teams looking for a Budaj is never that much. If you plan on dealing him do it whenever you get a decent offer because there's a good chance you'll not get another offer in the future.

Moen's value would increase by TD and a strong season could dramatically increase his value. So it makes sense to keep him and wait.

 

[Scintillating10]

I imagine they will protect Tokarski over Budai. But doubt anybody will claim Budai at 1.4. Moen not that bad a contract like Gorges was...he likely staying.

 

[Patty Roy]

100% Budaj should be dealt. Tokarski is at least as good and comes in almost 1 million cheaper.

Moen i would keep at this point. There will be injuries and its good to have that competition on the bottom lines.

 

[Natey]

It's funny, when the playoffs ended I was sure that either Edmonton or Winnipeg would be all over Tokarsky in the off season as a potentially cheap upgrade over their respective starting options. I wonder if Bergy got any calls for him after his playoff heroics. I figured the team could get a few picks out of Tokarsky while his stock was rising. I don't think Budaj would fetch much of a return so we might as well keep him in his current role. He's as good a backup as we could find elsewhere.

Edmonton has Scrivens who was great last year and Fasth. Not sure they'd be interested.

 

[rockjngo]

Tokarski will need to clear waivers

 

[29dryden29]

Moving Moen after not resigning White would be a big mistake.

 

[Monctonscout]

I think both guys get traded, it just takes a few dominos to fall first. I heard Winnipeg was looking into Reimer but that may be too expensive for them and Budaj makes more sense.

 

[Monctonscout]

Moving Moen after not resigning White would be a big mistake.

Why?

Weise Prust Bournival and Malhotra can patrol the 4th line. If you can move Moen, may as well do it, ideally getting a pick back.