Confirmed with Link: Buch traded to STL for Blais + 2nd (2022)

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Sammy Blais had 7 point in 1o games while averaging roughly 12:40 min of ice time during the month of March.
He might be trending upwards in production.
He's played up and down the line up on the 2nd line with Schenn & Tarasenko, a fair bit on the 3rd line with Thomas & Hoffman, as well as 4th line duties where he has played on both wings. RW with Sanford and Sunqvist. someone probably has a link to one of those fancy sites that maps out which players he played with the most often and can correlate it to production with maths.
 
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Come on, bud. Drury doesn't care what's trending on twitter and he shouldn't. Also, yes, Butch was a good soldier, but Buch was obviously going to want to get paid. The business aspect of this goes both ways.

And Blais is not a scrub.

He's 25 years old, has never played more than 40 games in an NHL season, doesn't PK, and has a career high of 15 points. Yes, he hits a lot when he isn't injured or getting benched for playing without intensity. Hurrah. We just shipped out Howden, who DOES PK and has multiple seasons of more than 15 points because we don't think he's likely to get any better (a move I agreed with). Blais is two years older, and Drury is trying to sell us on his "upside." I hope to eat so much crow on this one, but looking at his record objectively, Blais is 100% a scrub. There are 15 Blais' in the FA bargain bin every year.

As for Drury, when you are a rookie GM, and your first significant move makes national headlines because literally everyone is laughing at you for stupidity...it might be a good idea for him to take a step back and reconsider his whole "I'm not going to listen to anyone except for my gut instinct" Ronin-GM bullshit.

And yes, Buch was going to get a raise. How much? We don't know yet. None of that mattered. The team had full control of his rights for next year. They could easily have let arbitration decide his salary for this coming season, and the team would have had NO problem fitting said salary. That would have given them time to further evaluate Kakko and Kravtsov (both of whom I like but neither of whom is anywhere close to a proven top 6 RWer in the NHL). If both of those guys thrive with more time, guess what? We have Buch at 50% as a rental that we could dangle and almost certainly get more than we got in the StL deal. Moving Buch this summer was worth it if the return would be what we expected. It wasn't. Instead of recognizing that, Drury pushed through the deal anyway and now he's selling a bill of goods to calm a near universally pissed off fan base, and his brand new coach is going to walk into a locker room already loaded with star players who aren't happy with the team.

Yeah, it's a business. But the second you forget that businesses are run by people, you invite failure. Move guys when you need to. That's business. Communicate with them so they aren't blindsided by it. That's acknowledging that these guys are human beings. This team has had a player communication problem going back literal decades. They don't learn.
 
My biggest issue with the trade is that it didnt result in getting what we need most. A really good C that wins FOs, checks and scores.
Yes Cs have more value than wings but a 1st line RW plus our 1st pick and perhaps Jones should get u a cirelli/Monahan type C no?
I think that is what most here were expecting.
 
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There is no way around it, this was an awful trade value wise. After having his best season, finally showing what he is capable of on the ice while at the same time appears to be a real good locker room guy, we decide to trade him for scrubs. That 2nd should’ve been a mid-late first. I’ll miss Buch.
 
I don't remember where exactly I saw it, but someone was comparing the Reinhart deal with the Buch deal and suggesting they are pretty even. And complaining that people saying the Reinhart deal was great for Buffalo, but the Buch deal was terrible for the Rangers, are somehow being hypocritical.

Well, I don't see these trades as equal in any way. Buffalo clearly got the better end just by receiving a 1st Round pick. Blais is an afterthought. And I would take a 1st round pick alone, over Blais and a 2nd any day of the week. Players like Blais can be gotten through FA or through rounds 2-7 of the draft pretty much any year. He was never worth Buch even with a 2nd. Blais and a 1st, sure. That I would be fine with. But if they were just offering a 2nd rounder and a player, I am looking for a pretty substantial increase on Blais.

And where does Blais even fit into this team when all is said and done? Our top 6 forwards I think are pretty set. And our 3rd line just really needs a center, as I think Chytil is becoming 2C and Strome, if he is still here, moves to 2RW to take faceoffs for that line. Leaving Kreider and Kravtsov on the 3rd line wings. And I think we will bring in the center to play with them. Someone with faceoff ability, experience and a bit of toughness. I am thinking Tyler Johnson but who knows. Danault probably too expensive cap wise. Dvorak would probably cost too much in a trade. A guy like Jordan Staal or Kadri would be great but also probably too pricey in salary and trade cost. Maybe even someone like Mikael Backlud, Faksa, Lowry, Sam Bennett etc.. Or at least someone in that range. At least, that's more what I expect us to acquire before training starts up.

But the wild card in this might be Barron. If he really looks to have improved going into preseason, I would not rule out trying him at 3C or 4C. He's certainly physical enough and can win faceoffs.

And that leaves our 4th line. So we will have all of Rooney, Goodrow, Gauthier and now Blais and hopefully Barron. So basically, we aren't even sure if Blais ends up being a regular starter or just depth. Well, I am sure they will rotate that group at least until something emerges that seems better than the rest. And these guys are pretty interchangeable from center to wing so I don't really think we need any more 4th liners. Especially when Barron probably gets some looks this upcoming season.

So unless we move Strome, I really just expect us to add a 3C and call it a day. There's a chance we could add another vet defender, but I am not even sure if that is going to happen because, at least as of now, we all ready have too many D who deserve to, or need to be playing in the NHL. So unless we move some of Jones, Miller, Robertson, Hajek or Tuomanen, don't really see the room for another defender. And I think we would be fools to move Jones who I continue to believe will end up being our best offensive LD. Miller needs to toughen up and improve on D dramatically to prove his size and strength are assets. Robertson still maybe a year or so away. As is Scheider. But in Robertson's case, I don't think he's better than Jones, just bigger and less offensively gifted.

Anyway, Buch was our best trade chip and we could have either traded him, in some package for that middle six center, or at least held out to get a future 1st round pick. And then we could have just added a grit forward from FA or theoretically the draft.
 
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The fact is I feel we should have gotten a first rounder instead of a second. Even in a weaker draft class I would have lived with it. I feel like this is a case if an inexperienced GM and STL taking advantage of that
 
Sammy Blais had 7 point in 1o games while averaging roughly 12:40 min of ice time during the month of March.
He might be trending upwards in production.
He's played up and down the line up on the 2nd line with Schenn & Tarasenko, a fair bit on the 3rd line with Thomas & Hoffman, as well as 4th line duties where he has played on both wings. RW with Sanford and Sunqvist. someone probably has a link to one of those fancy sites that maps out which players he played with the most often and can correlate it to production with maths.
So for 10 games he produced almost at a rate at only 20% lower than Buch sustained for the entire season... lol
 
Cmon man, you're really reaching now. So now we need to worry about what the players friends think before a trade is allowed? Who is Strome friends on the team because he's probably next?
My different take: if losing Buch is going to sour Kreider's attitude, will he disappear even more often next year? And in 2022-23 when he loses Zibanejad, will he simply go "poof" in the middle of his first shift leaving only a scorched empty jersey somewhere on the perimeter? (And yeah, I think team chemistry disruption concerns are 100% legit. Similarly, not excited about Panarin losing both Buchnevich and Strome in the same off-season.)
 
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There is no way around it, this was an awful trade value wise. After having his best season, finally showing what he is capable of on the ice while at the same time appears to be a real good locker room guy, we decide to trade him for scrubs. That 2nd should’ve been a mid-late first. I’ll miss Buch.

i don't understand the reaction to this. this was a good trade all things considered.

i'd have loved to have kept buch, but realistically, the kreider contract and his breakout effectively eliminated that possibility. not to mention we have tons of high skill young wingers...roster wise we needed to diversify. in hindsight i'm sure just about all of us would swap out kreider for buch but thats not an option now. although oddly enough i'm actually not sure mgmt would say the same.

everyone seems hung up on the statistical disparity which...yea, they're different players. but besides that, i think we need to be realistic about what the trade market for buch would have been. he's a very good all around player, not a star. in the right situation he might continue to emerge into one. but as of this offseason he's had one highly impressive season after several inconsistent ones, and going to command upwards of 6mm with term. theres only so many teams looking for a mid-tier top 6 rw with the cap space to make it work. the return was never going to be massive. we weren't getting a top 6 c, we weren't getting a higher end prime top 4 physical dman, we weren't pursuing futures only, and we certainly weren't looking to swap out one top 6 wing for another. be defaut the exchange was always going to be top 6 skill player for bottom 6 energy/physicality/attitude.

and this is where people are really missing out in assessing the trade...blais is awesome and plays a game we desperately need. i'm not sure how much people have seen of him but his numbers really don't reflect how solid / skilled a player he is. goodrow was a great add, but he's more a defensively responsible, effort forechecking, solid bottom 6 player. he finishes his hits, he'll mix it up when called for, but he's not typically a guy thats gonna raise the temperature. blais is that. he's much more active, very good skater, big kid, great pressuring the puck, levels people...he just brings energy, he'll cross the line. hes also got a cup ring. and i have a strong feeling he's going to thrive under gallant...he plays a game tailor made for a gallant team. this was a very good pickup for this team. and while he's not going to produce what buch does, i wouldn't be surprised at all to see him become a 35-45 pt guy bringing that energy and aggression. he's being criminally undervalued here because all people know about him are his stats. the garden will love him
 
i don't understand the reaction to this. this was a good trade all things considered.

i'd have loved to have kept buch, but realistically, the kreider contract and his breakout effectively eliminated that possibility. not to mention we have tons of high skill young wingers...roster wise we needed to diversify. in hindsight i'm sure just about all of us would swap out kreider for buch but thats not an option now. although oddly enough i'm actually not sure mgmt would say the same.

too many sports fan bases are lost regarding the cap. Emotion is first and forefront with finances not even on the radar.

Nobody here resigned Kreider but we had plenty wanting to keep him while at the same fully endorsing the comical 3 man goalie rotation including Hank, who was done. All those dollars and dead money added up.

Both Kreider and Buch are not affordable and honestly both should be gone if you want Zibby resigned, Fox is going to be in the $10 million range and we anticipate Laf and Kakko costing a fortune. Surprised?
 
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Hmmm.....maybe they are waiting to see on what Buch will get from the Blues before they ship Tarasenko back and somewhat even up the deal .....it's just a thought . He has two years left at 7.5 million and likely would fit with Panarin . It fits our money woes timeline which is about 3 seasons away and gives us a sniper on each side of our top line for at least 2 more seasons and during the Panarin peak as a Ranger . Following that...maybe they move one of KK or Kravs in a deal for a C . There are so many scenarios it is almost impossible to talk about them all in one reply . The GM's are likely 2 moves ahead of most of us .
 
I generally take Carp with a grain of salt, but in one of his pieces today, he says that a source told him that Panarin and Shesterkin are "livid" (his quotes, as in quoting directly from his source) about the Buchnevich trade. Thats a concern.

Message to any player “livid” about this trade: get over it. It’s a business and the main focus should be winning games, not playing with your friends. This Ranger team needed a kick in the ass
 
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Hmmm.....maybe they are waiting to see on what Buch will get from the Blues before they ship Tarasenko back and somewhat even up the deal .....it's just a thought . He has two years left at 7.5 million and likely would fit with Panarin . It fits our money woes timeline which is about 3 seasons away and gives us a sniper on each side of our top line for at least 2 more seasons and during the Panarin peak as a Ranger . Following that...maybe they move one of KK or Kravs in a deal for a C . There are so many scenarios it is almost impossible to talk about them all in one reply . The GM's are likely 2 moves ahead of most of us .

hence the post right above this one. Tarasenko?
 
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If he did, I'm not real optimistic about him as coach.

It's been said by many of you, already, but the mystery is why Buch wasn't kept for a time he'd get better value in return.

I already miss Gorton.

It's not really a mystery. Mix Vegas and the Rangers and you see what the Rangers will look like under Gallant. Obviously the hard to play against and grit part is lacking so Drury has moved to fix that this off season.

Unsurprisingly the execution of the plan has been amateurish. I have little confidence in Sather's and Drury's judgement and asset management capabilities, until they prove otherwise.
 
The fact is I feel we should have gotten a first rounder instead of a second. Even in a weaker draft class I would have lived with it. I feel like this is a case if an inexperienced GM and STL taking advantage of that

A 2022 second round pick is about equal to a 2021 first round pick (outside the top ten). I don't have a problem with the pick part as much as the timing and asset managment part. Blais may fit like a glove into the lineup under Gallant and play to his potential, but it will still be a poor trade.
 
A 2022 second round pick is about equal to a 2021 first round pick (outside the top ten). I don't have a problem with the pick part as much as the timing and asset managment part. Blais may fit like a glove into the lineup under Gallant and play to his potential, but it will still be a poor trade.

that thought crossed my mind. Still, would have preferred that 2022 #1. Next years draft looks nice.
 
I’m okay with people not being happy with the return. What I don’t really understand is people stretching the truth for what Blais is or isn’t. He’s a 25 year old winger who plays with some tenacity the team needs. Over his last full season worth of games, he was pacing for just under 30 points. That’s not a 4th liner. His contract is solid for his production and he is a RFA at the end of his current deal meaning the Rangers can sign him to a nice contract starting at 26 to be another hard-nosed bottom-6 player at a more reasonable deal, something people complain about when they go after UFA’s like Goodrow.

I would be lying if I said I wasn’t hoping for a 1st to be included but Blais’ value is probably that if a 2nd + prospect himself.
 
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Am I reading this right? Blais was 5'10 165lbs when drafted. He was known for his offense. Then he had a late growth spurt.
 

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