Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals/Rumours '17 - '18 II (post 'em here)

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Id be shocked.

The Sens aren't happy with their attendance and that would obviously make it worse.

Right now Melynk is on high speed Damage Control, he wants to make money first and foremost, hence the talk of moving downtown and there's whispers out there being possible relocation(Quebec).

With all this going on hes smart enough that he knows he needs a product on the ice that will sell tickets and by letting them both go especially EK that wouldn't work. I could see him dealing one of them though but for a substantial return. More than likely it'll be a Hoffman, Brassard/Ceci going to free-up cap space.

Quebec is not a realistic option for the Senators, the downtown option likely gets first pick, the question is will the NHL Force Melnyk OUT... a la Arizona and that whole scenario, that seems to never end.

 

[ORR2Sanderson2ORR]

Quebec is not a realistic option for the Senators, the downtown option likely gets first pick, the question is will the NHL Force Melnyk OUT... a la Arizona and that whole scenario, that seems to never end.

Sure.

 

[TCB]

Quebec is not a realistic option for the Senators, the downtown option likely gets first pick, the question is will the NHL Force Melnyk OUT... a la Arizona and that whole scenario, that seems to never end.

Arizona has the worst attendance draw in the entire league, if they were only Pittsburgh the NHL would of made sure Mathews was a Coyote but I dont even think that may have helped things there.

I wouldn't rule out Quebec as a relocation possibility they already have a new arena and are pushing really hard but I just don't picture Bettman being a big supporter of it.



NHL to consider Seattle for league’s 32nd franchise; Quebec City snubbed again

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Arizona has the worst attendance draw in the entire league, if they were only Pittsburgh the NHL would of made sure Mathews was a Coyote but I dont even think that may have helped things there.

I wouldn't rule out Quebec as a relocation possibility they already have a new arena and are pushing really hard but I just don't picture Bettman being a big supporter of it.



NHL to consider Seattle for league’s 32nd franchise; Quebec City snubbed again

TCB:

Even if Melnyk retains operational control..... why would he want to be a tenant in QC?

 

[Number8]

The nice thing with Chara is he gives the Bruins time for the likes of Zboril, Lauzon, Lindgren, Johansson, Ogara, Sherman and Vaakanainen to progress and perhaps one of them will reach that number one LH defenseman or maybe two of them will become a top 4 d-man. Where that "Godfather Offer" wouldn't of been necessary to fill that hole.

I like the riches on the left d prospect pool, sure if you can acquire OEL or a Hanifan you more than likely pull the trigger but the prospect pool is more loaded there than it is a right-wing and has a lot more upside.

Couldnt agree more.

To me, the real beauty of Big Z is he's an in house development machine. We need him to re-up for another year and just maintain his current level of play. Gives us a chance to have him mentor ANOTHER promising d-man or two. McAvoy and Carlo benefited hugely. Neither would be where they are so early in their career without him. I'm 100% convinced both would say the exact same.

Like having a 6' 9" coach/safety net/teacher/developer on perpetual staff.

Like RB77, we'll all appreciate him even more when his time is done here. Invaluable for more reasons than easy to quantify here.

 

[TCB]

TCB:

Even if Melnyk retains operational control..... why would he want to be a tenant in QC?

Great question. Seems like it would be getting out of the pot and into the fire and I believe he'd have to pay a relocation fee on top of that.

On the plus side Quebec City’s population has grown since the Nordiques and the money going to teams for television rights is a much bigger revenue stream than it used to be and he wouldn’t be saddled with the debt brought on by building a new arena as he maybe if he moves to downtown Ottawa.

With the salary cap and revenue sharing in place, and the Canadian dollar a lot higher it makes it more feasible for Quebec to succeed but I don't see Melynk a business man doing this. Him selling to possible someone to move the franchise to Quebec sure without a doubt as this to could be NHL driven and if it is NHL driven maybe the relocation fee will get waived.

 

[BruinDust]

Karlsson hasnt looked the same since last surgery and his injury history to his feet are scary. I don't know if he's a guy you pay a big deal to. They don't have the pieces around him to win in the next couple of years. The better play might be to move both for a ransom of picks and prospects and start over.

I agree with you on both points, I wouldn't give Karlsson a massive 7-8 year 10 million + deal, but I think if they can, the Senators will extend him. I think they'd give him the term, the question is the money, and that is where I don't see Ottawa being willing to match what he can get on the open market (some foolish GM will offer him the moon, I can see 11-12 million a year).

Given all the factors, if I'm Ottawa the better move probably is to start over, but I'd be shocked if they go down that road and move their few core pieces. They really only have two (Karlsson and Stone), and Karlsson looks to have one foot out the door. Duchene was meant to be a core piece for them (given what they gave up to get him), but if the Sens continue to fall apart, why would he re-sign there in 2019?

The other factor that tells me they won't go full rebuild, they will lose their 1st rounder either this year or next. This year it's lottery protected, and all signs point to it being a Top 5 lottery pick. But if they go full rebuild and are awful next year, they might be coughing up a Top 5 pick to Colorado.

 

[Troublesome 85]

I'd be open to trading for some snarl in the forward group. IDK who would be available or even an upgrade.

 

[PlayMakers]

I don't really follow AOF. My post was about the Isles not making the playoffs, your reply is all about what a "playoff team" should do...

what logic makes 1 playoff team trade an impending ufa because they are afraid to lose him... to another playoff team?

Again, the second sentence in the post you quoted said that the Islanders are currently OUT of the playoffs. Since then, they've lost 4 in a row and are 3-6-1 in their last 10. The Islanders also missed the playoffs last year. If I had to pick a non-playoff team to climb over someone to make it, I think I'd choose Pittsburgh before I put money on the Isles.
Non-playoff teams trade good players who are pending UFA's every year. Sometimes they’re even franchise players.

specifically why is the second team gutting itself for someone they might lose for nothing?

Here again, I feel like you are creating things to argue about. I never said a playoff team should “gut” themselves to get Tavares. Pending UFA’s are usually traded for futures. If there’s a roster player involved, it’s usually not a key player. I think about the Hossa trade or the Kavalchuk trades. A top prospect or two, a 1st and 2nd round pick, and the rest is window dressing or an exchange of role players to fill needs.
There are a lot of strong playoff teams with deep prospect pools who could afford to give up a ton of quality assets without touching the core of their NHL team. A 1st, a 2nd and two of your best prospects would go a long way to setting the Isles up for the future. All of a sudden they’d have cap flexibility and a host of young, cheap players. Sweeney rebuilt the B’s with less. Are they not better for it?

making playoffs puts several million dollars into the owners pocket. even if the team is close why will they hurt their chances trading their best player?

I get that. And if the Isles think signing Tavares is a slam dunk they should do it. But if there’s any doubt…. man that’s a lot of risk. Yeah, they might sneak into the playoffs but then what? They’ve got multiple key players who are UFA’s and it’s not like they’re an elite team to begin with. Should the owners be focused on the money they might make for 2 or 3 playeoff games, or look at the bigger picture and try to set themselves up to make the playoffs every year, and to go deep when they get there. Again, if they think signing JT is money in the bank then that’s what they should do, but I don’t get the sense it’s a done deal, and if it were me, and it wasn’t a sure thing? I trade him and go for quick rebuild like we’re seeing with the Bruins.

 

[UConn126]

On the Anthony Duclair trade rumors: sure, his price is low, but it's for a reason. He has a history dating back to Juniors of inconsistent and lackluster play.

Patrick Roy, his Junior coach, had an opportunity to draft him for Colorado and declined.
He can skate and score but looks to be a coach's nightmare. But he can be had on the cheap if you want to take a chance.

Duclair on a winning team may be an entirely different player than the one we're seeing on the Coyotes. I would consider over paying for Duclair if we could get the Coyotes to take the Beleskey contract off our hands in the process. Spooner+Beleskey for Duclair? Not a pretty trade but frees up cap space to try and bring in a bigger name.

 

[Gordoff]

Duclair on a winning team may be an entirely different player than the one we're seeing on the Coyotes. I would consider over paying for Duclair if we could get the Coyotes to take the Beleskey contract off our hands in the process. Spooner+Beleskey for Duclair? Not a pretty trade but frees up cap space to try and bring in a bigger name.

It would cost a heck of a lot more than that IMO...

 

[DKH]

if the Bruins want Stone they have timing as well as assets to get him

Timing

Stone makes $3.5 M and his contract expires after 2017-18

He should be due for North of $5 M

The Sens traded a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd (Nashville) in the Duchene deal

The 2018 first is top 10 projected and they sit at 3 right now

If the Sens keep it next year it automatically goes to Colorado no strings attached

They need picks and they also gave up Shane Bowers their 2017 first rounder and could use the prospect

Boston can trade picks and prospects and not flinch

Very likely the contract could be a bit to much for Boston to take on with the McAvoy Heinen DeBrusk Carlo etc all coming up

 

[ORR2Sanderson2ORR]

if the Bruins want Stone they have timing as well as assets to get him

Timing

Stone makes $3.5 M and his contract expires after 2017-18

He should be due for North of $5 M

The Sens traded a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd (Nashville) in the Duchene deal

The 2018 first is top 10 projected and they sit at 3 right now

If the Sens keep it next year it automatically goes to Colorado no strings attached

They need picks and they also gave up Shane Bowers their 2017 first rounder and could use the prospect

Boston can trade picks and prospects and not flinch

Very likely the contract could be a bit to much for Boston to take on with the McAvoy Heinen DeBrusk Carlo etc all coming up

This is where it becomes a little more creative as the Bruins already have 5 forwards through the 20-21 season making 6mil per or more and then you add Tuukkas 7mil to that.

I'm sure they also plan on resigning Z and I would think that would be near 5mil for next yr. So to free up cap space a trade would more than likely need to be made in the off season. My guess is that it would be Krug he makes over 5mil per through the 19-20 season and given the B's youth and depth at defense, he would be the likely one to move out.

 

[DKH]

Not sure if they could afford this lineup and there are a handful of prospects not even mentioned who could be on it but just goofing around its pretty good

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
DeBrusk-Krejci-Stone
Heinen-JFK -Backes
Bjork-Kuraly-Acciari

Assuming Spooner traded and Nash prices self out of Boston

Chara-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
Grzelcyk-Miller

Rask
Khudobin

 

[ORR2Sanderson2ORR]

Not sure if they could afford this lineup and there are a handful of prospects not even mentioned who could be on it but just goofing around its pretty good

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
DeBrusk-Krejci-Stone
Heinen-JFK -Backes
Bjork-Kuraly-Acciari

Assuming Spooner traded and Nash prices self out of Boston

Chara-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
Grzelcyk-Miller

Rask
Khudobin

Get the Duck Boats ready!!!

 

[BruinDust]

Not sure if they could afford this lineup and there are a handful of prospects not even mentioned who could be on it but just goofing around its pretty good

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
DeBrusk-Krejci-Stone
Heinen-JFK -Backes
Bjork-Kuraly-Acciari

Assuming Spooner traded and Nash prices self out of Boston

Chara-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
Grzelcyk-Miller

Rask
Khudobin

They could, for one season at least.

After that, they would likely have to shed at least one of Chara/Krejci/Backes each of the following two off-seasons unless the cap takes a huge jump. Which actually isn't impossbile, Krejci can be dealt to half the league come 2019 off-season, Backes can be dealt to 8 teams summer 2019, 15 teams summer of 2020.

 

[TCB]

Not sure if they could afford this lineup and there are a handful of prospects not even mentioned who could be on it but just goofing around its pretty good

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
DeBrusk-Krejci-Stone
Heinen-JFK -Backes
Bjork-Kuraly-Acciari

Assuming Spooner traded and Nash prices self out of Boston

Chara-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
Grzelcyk-Miller

Rask
Khudobin

I really feel this line-up can be achieved or possibly nearly. A top right-winger and the Bruins would be serious contenders. But this line-up isn't a long shot of being a possibility as far as having the assets or acquiring a facsimile there of.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I don't really follow AOF. My post was about the Isles not making the playoffs, your reply is all about what a "playoff team" should do...

Again, the second sentence in the post you quoted said that the Islanders are currently OUT of the playoffs. Since then, they've lost 4 in a row and are 3-6-1 in their last 10. The Islanders also missed the playoffs last year. If I had to pick a non-playoff team to climb over someone to make it, I think I'd choose Pittsburgh before I put money on the Isles.
Non-playoff teams trade good players who are pending UFA's every year. Sometimes they’re even franchise players.

Here again, I feel like you are creating things to argue about. I never said a playoff team should “gut” themselves to get Tavares. Pending UFA’s are usually traded for futures. If there’s a roster player involved, it’s usually not a key player. I think about the Hossa trade or the Kavalchuk trades. A top prospect or two, a 1st and 2nd round pick, and the rest is window dressing or an exchange of role players to fill needs.
There are a lot of strong playoff teams with deep prospect pools who could afford to give up a ton of quality assets without touching the core of their NHL team. A 1st, a 2nd and two of your best prospects would go a long way to setting the Isles up for the future. All of a sudden they’d have cap flexibility and a host of young, cheap players. Sweeney rebuilt the B’s with less. Are they not better for it?

I get that. And if the Isles think signing Tavares is a slam dunk they should do it. But if there’s any doubt…. man that’s a lot of risk. Yeah, they might sneak into the playoffs but then what? They’ve got multiple key players who are UFA’s and it’s not like they’re an elite team to begin with. Should the owners be focused on the money they might make for 2 or 3 playeoff games, or look at the bigger picture and try to set themselves up to make the playoffs every year, and to go deep when they get there. Again, if they think signing JT is money in the bank then that’s what they should do, but I don’t get the sense it’s a done deal, and if it were me, and it wasn’t a sure thing? I trade him and go for quick rebuild like we’re seeing with the Bruins.

If a team is clearly out of playoffs they might behave as you suggest... but historically bubble teams load up because the incentive to make playoffs is so strong

This is why i will always defend our decesion to keep eriksson... if you trade such a player and miss playoffs by a single win your fan base will riot

Remember last year nashville was 16th best team to qualify.

Islanders are now trying to convince tax payers they are worth of a new arena and can make this market proud. If they offer tavares money and he leaves he is the villan. They tried. He rejected the fans

It might let them off the hook if he demands a trade but hes too savy for that. If he stays quiet a team in this position has no choice.

If he walks they must spend his cap hit elsewhere

You never end up with nothing. Chara earns the caphit that thornton would have

Theres always something when a player leaves

 

[wintersej]

if the Bruins want Stone they have timing as well as assets to get him

Timing

Stone makes $3.5 M and his contract expires after 2017-18

He should be due for North of $5 M

The Sens traded a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd (Nashville) in the Duchene deal

The 2018 first is top 10 projected and they sit at 3 right now

If the Sens keep it next year it automatically goes to Colorado no strings attached

They need picks and they also gave up Shane Bowers their 2017 first rounder and could use the prospect

Boston can trade picks and prospects and not flinch

Very likely the contract could be a bit to much for Boston to take on with the McAvoy Heinen DeBrusk Carlo etc all coming up

If I am Ottawa, DeBrusk/Heinen is part of the deal I want. I want young, cheap and NHL ready talent that can convince Karlsson Ottawa is worth staying at, not pure futures.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Oiler talk radio is loaded with trade talk today... fans are looking for help on their pp blueline and quicker play

As unlikely as i think Neely and sweeney are big enough to deal with chiarelli im going to post as if everyone is adult enough to be professional

My suggestion

Patrick maroon
Oscar klefbom
For
Ryan spooner
Torey krug

Cap savings is signifecent for us. We get alot bigger. Maroon plays more the style of krejci than he foes mcdavid

I think 6'4 klefbom could look very effective with carlo

Klefbom is able to play second pair pp with 12 goals last year

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

If I am Ottawa, DeBrusk/Heinen is part of the deal I want. I want young, cheap and NHL ready talent that can convince Karlsson Ottawa is worth staying at, not pure futures.

Strictly because of cap implications i cant get behind stone for heinen. I think that must be a deal breaker

Stone would be good enough i could trade debrusk or bjork (or even both) but i think he will ask for more than pastrnak and it scares me

I think i would insist he signs his extension before i can approve of this high a price paid

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Not sure if they could afford this lineup and there are a handful of prospects not even mentioned who could be on it but just goofing around its pretty good

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
DeBrusk-Krejci-Stone
Heinen-JFK -Backes
Bjork-Kuraly-Acciari

Assuming Spooner traded and Nash prices self out of Boston

Chara-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
Grzelcyk-Miller

Rask
Khudobin

If chara takes an iginla deal even 7 mill for stone should be doable for next season... but how would the team feel if stone is paid more than marchand and pastrnak? And how will stone and jacobs deal with lockout protection?

I think we have the assets for stone but i worry alot about his contract

 

[DKH]

If chara takes an iginla deal even 7 mill for stone should be doable for next season... but how would the team feel if stone is paid more than marchand and pastrnak? And how will stone and jacobs deal with lockout protection?

I think we have the assets for stone but i worry alot about his contract

Not paying Stone $7 M

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Strictly because of cap implications i cant get behind stone for heinen. I think that must be a deal breaker

Stone would be good enough i could trade debrusk or bjork (or even both) but i think he will ask for more than pastrnak and it scares me

I think i would insist he signs his extension before i can approve of this high a price paid

Do you think before you post trades? And Stone at 7m to boot? Who is this Stone that's worth 7m plus Debrusk AND Bjork. Get some air dude

 

[TCB]

If chara takes an iginla deal even 7 mill for stone should be doable for next season... but how would the team feel if stone is paid more than marchand and pastrnak? And how will stone and jacobs deal with lockout protection?

I think we have the assets for stone but i worry alot about his contract

Stone is an above average 3 zone forward but he's not a 7mil dollar player 5mil yes & 7mil...No Way!