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this certainly seems like the year Sweeney has decided to "cash in" on the abundance of young talent in the system by making limited free agent acquisitions and dropping road blocks in hayes morrow liles and Moore. The odds are good (to me anyway) that out of agostino, debrusk, Bjork, heinen, senyshyn, cehlarik, Gabrielle etch someone or ones will emerge as nhl contributors at wing while o gara, grzcelyk lauzon and Zboril all (to me) have a shot at contributing from the back end. (All Ls d men, no LHD signed this offseason *hmm*).

I'm excited to see how the youth performs this year and anticipate quite a a bit of bussing from PRO to BOS early in the year as they see on whos ready and who still needs to marinate down in the ahl.

One of the more exciting years prospect wise to me in some time. I count no one out and it's rare for me to not really be radically down on anyone. They've all shown flashes to me as potential NHL players. I cater normally to the older more experienced pros so I'd wager on agostino, heinen, cehlarik, Bjork as the top candidates to stick in the NHL. I'd give senyshyn Gabrielle and debrusk Time in PRO, but any could leapfrog the afforementioned and I wouldn't be surprised (except maybe senyshyn)

Great observation

There are 6 left shot wingers going for 2-3 spots

In no order - DeBrusk, Beleskey, Heinen, Bjork, Vatrano, Cehlarik

Even Gabrielle who they probably want to see in the AHL but Jesse reminds me of that Marchand/Sobotka skilled player you could see sooner than later
 

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Figured I'd share some of my thoughts from the WJSS. Admittedly I didn't pay much attention to Koppanen or Steen (though it was hard to miss the goals by the latter) so I'll only comment on Frederic and Vaakanainen who I paid close attention to.

Frederic:
-- It was a tale of two tournaments for him, IMO. The first 3 games with the split USA squad I thought he was fantastic...the last 3 games with the full squad I was not impressed at all. Early on, his line was controlling the play almost every shift and he was making lots of good, smart plays. In the later games, his line seemed to get stuck in its own end on most shifts and they had a hard time stringing plays together and weren't generating any real offense. Certainly not all of that is on him by any means but I was surprised at the difference in his success throughout the games.
-- His passing and vision impressed me the most. He reminds me of Heinen a bit in how he can slow things down, draw defenders to him, and then will make a neat little pass (often on his backhand) to an open teammate.
-- He showed strong possession skills at times. There were a few shifts where his line cycled the puck beautifully and he used his size well to control play in the o-zone.
-- I thought his speed was solid for someone of his size....seems like something he has worked on. I do agree with the above poster who noted that he did fall down more than I would like...usually when being pressured by a defender leading to a turnover.
-- I give his defensive game a check mark as well. He was good on faceoffs, good at knocking the puck off opponents' sticks, good along the boards, and seemed to be hustling on almost every shift.
-- Overall, I thought he was a lock to make the WJC team after the first 3 games but I'm not so sure anymore. He was often on the #1 PK unit (and the #2 PP during the split squad games) and took a lot of faceoffs (including near the end of the Canada game up 1) so that might be help his chances but it's far from guaranteed.

Vaakanainen:
-- He only played 2.5 games before getting hurt so obviously it’s a small sample size.
-- The thing that impressed me most was his puck handling. He had a shiftiness to his skating where he was able to deke around defenders on the fly while carrying the puck up. He also had some nice stickhandling moves around/through defenders as well.
-- He showed good quickness with some nice bursts to get away from forecheckers...but the Coffey/Neidermayer comparisons are a bit ridiculous at this point.
-- He wasn't afraid to jump into the rush and did so at the proper times. I don't recall him getting caught up ice or pinching once.
-- I also thought he made some real nice passes, often tape-to-tape hitting forwards in stride.
-- Defensively, he often had his stick in good position to break up passes or poke it away. By no means was he smothering like Zdeno but rather efficient and smart with his positioning.
-- However I thought he was often very passive on the defensive end as well. There were a number of times when I thought he would step up and challenge a puck carrier in his zone but he would give them space and let them skate away…though it’s possible that may have been a coaching/system thing.
-- There were also times where he seemed a bit lackadaisical with the puck. More than once the puck headed right for him but went right through him either because he missed it with his skate or didn’t have his stick down. In other cases, he didn’t show much hustle/urgency with forecheckers baring down on him…one case in particular, Joey Anderson picked his pocket cleanly behind his net because of it. Again, it’s a small sample size so It might mean nothing but something to keep an eye on.
-- His shot from the point seemed well below average to me.
-- He did show some grit getting into a crosschecking match with Cliff Pu in front of the net. He ended up taking a crosscheck to the face and drawing a penalty but didn’t miss a shift. Even when he got hurt (my initial guess was a separated shoulder or maybe a broken collarbone), you could tell he was in a lot of pain but stayed on the bench for the final few minutes of the period.
-- Overall, he pretty much came as advertised. He showed some nice glimpses but played a pretty inconspicuous game…I don’t expect many “wow†moments from him in the future. He was usually on the #1 PK unit and got some occasional #2 PP time and is pretty much a lock to make the WJC since he was on last year’s team (which may explain some of the lack of urgency during these games).

This is a great breakdown of these two and I for the most part agree with everything you said. The only thing I'll add is I still feel they're using Frederic in a very specific way and that's why we're not seeing much offense from him. But barring a terrible next 4 months, I also think that's exactly what's going to make him a lock for the actual WJC team.

Also as an update, per Adam Kimelman (NHL.com), a Finnish coach confirmed it was an upper-body injury for Vaakanainen and said he'll be evaluated when they get back to Finland.
 

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Figured I'd share some of my thoughts from the WJSS. Admittedly I didn't pay much attention to Koppanen or Steen (though it was hard to miss the goals by the latter) so I'll only comment on Frederic and Vaakanainen who I paid close attention to.

Frederic:
-- It was a tale of two tournaments for him, IMO. The first 3 games with the split USA squad I thought he was fantastic...the last 3 games with the full squad I was not impressed at all. Early on, his line was controlling the play almost every shift and he was making lots of good, smart plays. In the later games, his line seemed to get stuck in its own end on most shifts and they had a hard time stringing plays together and weren't generating any real offense. Certainly not all of that is on him by any means but I was surprised at the difference in his success throughout the games.
-- His passing and vision impressed me the most. He reminds me of Heinen a bit in how he can slow things down, draw defenders to him, and then will make a neat little pass (often on his backhand) to an open teammate.
-- He showed strong possession skills at times. There were a few shifts where his line cycled the puck beautifully and he used his size well to control play in the o-zone.
-- I thought his speed was solid for someone of his size....seems like something he has worked on. I do agree with the above poster who noted that he did fall down more than I would like...usually when being pressured by a defender leading to a turnover.
-- I give his defensive game a check mark as well. He was good on faceoffs, good at knocking the puck off opponents' sticks, good along the boards, and seemed to be hustling on almost every shift.
-- Overall, I thought he was a lock to make the WJC team after the first 3 games but I'm not so sure anymore. He was often on the #1 PK unit (and the #2 PP during the split squad games) and took a lot of faceoffs (including near the end of the Canada game up 1) so that might be help his chances but it's far from guaranteed.

Vaakanainen:
-- He only played 2.5 games before getting hurt so obviously it’s a small sample size.
-- The thing that impressed me most was his puck handling. He had a shiftiness to his skating where he was able to deke around defenders on the fly while carrying the puck up. He also had some nice stickhandling moves around/through defenders as well.
-- He showed good quickness with some nice bursts to get away from forecheckers...but the Coffey/Neidermayer comparisons are a bit ridiculous at this point.
-- He wasn't afraid to jump into the rush and did so at the proper times. I don't recall him getting caught up ice or pinching once.
-- I also thought he made some real nice passes, often tape-to-tape hitting forwards in stride.
-- Defensively, he often had his stick in good position to break up passes or poke it away. By no means was he smothering like Zdeno but rather efficient and smart with his positioning.
-- However I thought he was often very passive on the defensive end as well. There were a number of times when I thought he would step up and challenge a puck carrier in his zone but he would give them space and let them skate away…though it’s possible that may have been a coaching/system thing.
-- There were also times where he seemed a bit lackadaisical with the puck. More than once the puck headed right for him but went right through him either because he missed it with his skate or didn’t have his stick down. In other cases, he didn’t show much hustle/urgency with forecheckers baring down on him…one case in particular, Joey Anderson picked his pocket cleanly behind his net because of it. Again, it’s a small sample size so It might mean nothing but something to keep an eye on.
-- His shot from the point seemed well below average to me.
-- He did show some grit getting into a crosschecking match with Cliff Pu in front of the net. He ended up taking a crosscheck to the face and drawing a penalty but didn’t miss a shift. Even when he got hurt (my initial guess was a separated shoulder or maybe a broken collarbone), you could tell he was in a lot of pain but stayed on the bench for the final few minutes of the period.
-- Overall, he pretty much came as advertised. He showed some nice glimpses but played a pretty inconspicuous game…I don’t expect many “wow†moments from him in the future. He was usually on the #1 PK unit and got some occasional #2 PP time and is pretty much a lock to make the WJC since he was on last year’s team (which may explain some of the lack of urgency during these games).

Really good summary and pretty much exactly in line with my thoughts. Urho is a bit further away than I thought, but think the upside is tremendous.

I will add, I really like the Salo kid from Finland. I think he was a 2nd round pick of the Islanders. Maybe we can acquire him while taking Johnny Rocket back. :naughty:;)
 

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Figured I'd share some of my thoughts from the WJSS. Admittedly I didn't pay much attention to Koppanen or Steen (though it was hard to miss the goals by the latter) so I'll only comment on Frederic and Vaakanainen who I paid close attention to.

Frederic:
-- It was a tale of two tournaments for him, IMO. The first 3 games with the split USA squad I thought he was fantastic...the last 3 games with the full squad I was not impressed at all. Early on, his line was controlling the play almost every shift and he was making lots of good, smart plays. In the later games, his line seemed to get stuck in its own end on most shifts and they had a hard time stringing plays together and weren't generating any real offense. Certainly not all of that is on him by any means but I was surprised at the difference in his success throughout the games.
-- His passing and vision impressed me the most. He reminds me of Heinen a bit in how he can slow things down, draw defenders to him, and then will make a neat little pass (often on his backhand) to an open teammate.
-- He showed strong possession skills at times. There were a few shifts where his line cycled the puck beautifully and he used his size well to control play in the o-zone.
-- I thought his speed was solid for someone of his size....seems like something he has worked on. I do agree with the above poster who noted that he did fall down more than I would like...usually when being pressured by a defender leading to a turnover.
-- I give his defensive game a check mark as well. He was good on faceoffs, good at knocking the puck off opponents' sticks, good along the boards, and seemed to be hustling on almost every shift.
-- Overall, I thought he was a lock to make the WJC team after the first 3 games but I'm not so sure anymore. He was often on the #1 PK unit (and the #2 PP during the split squad games) and took a lot of faceoffs (including near the end of the Canada game up 1) so that might be help his chances but it's far from guaranteed.

Vaakanainen:
-- He only played 2.5 games before getting hurt so obviously it’s a small sample size.
-- The thing that impressed me most was his puck handling. He had a shiftiness to his skating where he was able to deke around defenders on the fly while carrying the puck up. He also had some nice stickhandling moves around/through defenders as well.
-- He showed good quickness with some nice bursts to get away from forecheckers...but the Coffey/Neidermayer comparisons are a bit ridiculous at this point.
-- He wasn't afraid to jump into the rush and did so at the proper times. I don't recall him getting caught up ice or pinching once.
-- I also thought he made some real nice passes, often tape-to-tape hitting forwards in stride.
-- Defensively, he often had his stick in good position to break up passes or poke it away. By no means was he smothering like Zdeno but rather efficient and smart with his positioning.
-- However I thought he was often very passive on the defensive end as well. There were a number of times when I thought he would step up and challenge a puck carrier in his zone but he would give them space and let them skate away…though it’s possible that may have been a coaching/system thing.
-- There were also times where he seemed a bit lackadaisical with the puck. More than once the puck headed right for him but went right through him either because he missed it with his skate or didn’t have his stick down. In other cases, he didn’t show much hustle/urgency with forecheckers baring down on him…one case in particular, Joey Anderson picked his pocket cleanly behind his net because of it. Again, it’s a small sample size so It might mean nothing but something to keep an eye on.
-- His shot from the point seemed well below average to me.
-- He did show some grit getting into a crosschecking match with Cliff Pu in front of the net. He ended up taking a crosscheck to the face and drawing a penalty but didn’t miss a shift. Even when he got hurt (my initial guess was a separated shoulder or maybe a broken collarbone), you could tell he was in a lot of pain but stayed on the bench for the final few minutes of the period.
-- Overall, he pretty much came as advertised. He showed some nice glimpses but played a pretty inconspicuous game…I don’t expect many “wow†moments from him in the future. He was usually on the #1 PK unit and got some occasional #2 PP time and is pretty much a lock to make the WJC since he was on last year’s team (which may explain some of the lack of urgency during these games).


Excellent breakdown of both players and stated honestly as you said the good and the bad{Needs improving on sounds better} of both prospects.

I really hope Trent Frederic proves to be a solid late 1st round pick cause I was hoping they would pick Sam Steel at the time. The Ducks picked Steel 30th pick, just ahead of Frederic who went 29th{previous Shark pick}.

Gotta say I absolutely love what Sweeney is doing. His 1st 3 years as GM, he stockpiled the Bruins with very promising prospects while at the same time keeping the Bruins a very competitive team. Maybe they only made the playoffs 1 out of 3 years but every season they had 94+ points. Could of easily made postseason all 3 seasons..
 

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Mcavoy is the real deal and it was obvious before he ever played those 6 games. You must not have seen him play much because one doesn't need a keen scouts eye to see how good the kid is. Hope your prepared to eat mighty heapings of crow. I'll do the same if he disappoints.
 
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Mcavoy is the real deal and it was obvious before he ever played those 6 games. You must not have seen him play much because one doesn't need a keen scouts eye to see how good the kid is. Hope your prepared to eat mighty heapings of crow. I'll do the same if he disappoints.

You seem very eager to make me eat crow. read my prior posts i said he is destined for great things.i also said hes the only bruin prospect i consider elite but to say that HE IS A STEAL AS OF NOW ....how ? Thats way too early. Let him undertake an nhl career before making him a STEAL
No crow to eat here buddy at least not on this one
 

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You seem very eager to make me eat crow. read my prior posts i said he is destined for great things.i also said hes the only bruin prospect i consider elite but to say that HE IS A STEAL AS OF NOW ....how ? Thats way too early. Let him undertake an nhl career before making him a STEAL
No crow to eat here buddy at least not on this one

I mean I understand your points, but I think the likelihood of McAvoy reaching his ceiling is far greater than him not. Seems like you're just playing devils advocate for no reason.

McAvoy will be fine next year, he's insulated enough and CLEARLY has the talent. I'd feel differently if he was coming right from BU, but he didnt miss a beat stepping right into the NHL playoffs.

JFK looked like a teenager out there, McAvoy looked like our best d man at times. I have no qualms about saying that pick was a steal. If the draft were today he'd go top 5 and likely be the first d man taken.
 

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I mean I understand your points, but I think the likelihood of McAvoy reaching his ceiling is far greater than him not. Seems like you're just playing devils advocate for no reason.

McAvoy will be fine next year, he's insulated enough and CLEARLY has the talent. I'd feel differently if he was coming right from BU, but he didnt miss a beat stepping right into the NHL playoffs.

JFK looked like a teenager out there, McAvoy looked like our best d man at times. I have no qualms about saying that pick was a steal. If the draft were today he'd go top 5 and likely be the first d man taken.

Macavoy imo is the Bruins best prospect and has been even before his presence in the playoffs.maybe im not understanding the posters definition of a Steal..
Ex of a steal imo. Joe sakic
He went 15 th overall but he was not consiered a steal after a few nhl games. He was a steal after he posted great numbers
 

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I mean I understand your points, but I think the likelihood of McAvoy reaching his ceiling is far greater than him not. Seems like you're just playing devils advocate for no reason.

McAvoy will be fine next year, he's insulated enough and CLEARLY has the talent. I'd feel differently if he was coming right from BU, but he didnt miss a beat stepping right into the NHL playoffs.

JFK looked like a teenager out there, McAvoy looked like our best d man at times. I have no qualms about saying that pick was a steal. If the draft were today he'd go top 5 and likely be the first d man taken.


I've said it before and I'll say it again. McAvoy is a stud Defenseman plain and simple. I am confident that he's going to be good. Great frame, with that thick body of his. Such a gamer that already has a history of coming up "big" in the big games. Go back and watch the World Junior Championships. He made the clutch plays and he sucked up a lot of minutes.

Hoping the Bruins can finally reduce Chara's minutes with the presence of this guy. No doubt Chara has slowed and will slow down more this year. I lived in Los Angeles in the 80's and 90's and I watched Larry Robinson slow down quickly after age 40, once he started playing for the Kings. Would not be surprised to see Chara slow quite a bit this year. He'll be fine early in the season, but he'll wear down if he gets too much ice time. The presence of the minutes eating Charlie Mac should help.

No doubt Carlo will be much better this year as well. As Carlo fills out his frame, he'll be a beast.
 

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Macavoy imo is the Bruins best prospect and has been even before his presence in the playoffs.maybe im not understanding the posters definition of a Steal..
Ex of a steal imo. Joe sakic
He went 15 th overall but he was not consiered a steal after a few nhl games. He was a steal after he posted great numbers

To me a steal is Jamie Benn or Henrik Zetterberg. They got drafted light years away from the top spots.
 

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Only if you change yours to Sweet cheerleader or mary poppins.
6 playoff games played and he is a steal..wake up!!!
Oh lets do it ur way.....Mac wins Norris next season...

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'We'll never make it!' :)
 

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To me a steal is Jamie Benn or Henrik Zetterberg. They got drafted light years away from the top spots.

Tough to call a guy a steal when only half the GMs had the opportunity to take him. You've atleast gotta get to the 2nd round before a guy becomes a steal. I'll certainly take McAvoy at this point, whatever you call him.
 

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Tough to call a guy a steal when only half the GMs had the opportunity to take him. You've atleast gotta get to the 2nd round before a guy becomes a steal. I'll certainly take McAvoy at this point, whatever you call him.

So you wouldn't call Tarasenko a steal at #16 in '10, or Pastrnak a steal at #25? Hell Toews at #3 in '06 is probably a steal in retrospect.

Labeling someone a steal is relative. A guy like McAvoy could easily end up being a steal, but it's much too early to tell -- if Juolevi and Sergachev pan out, he might not even end up being one of the top players at his position from that draft within a few years. And having Chychrun drafted immediately after him doesn't help either...if he ends up being better, it'd be tough to consider McAvoy one then when a better player was available to the Bruins.
 

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Tough to call a guy a steal when only half the GMs had the opportunity to take him. You've atleast gotta get to the 2nd round before a guy becomes a steal. I'll certainly take McAvoy at this point, whatever you call him.

Exactly. I too am excited for McAvoy. His potential is through the roof. If he reaches it, we might have a franchise D on our hands. Fingers crossed.
 

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Figured I'd share some of my thoughts from the WJSS. Admittedly I didn't pay much attention to Koppanen or Steen (though it was hard to miss the goals by the latter) so I'll only comment on Frederic and Vaakanainen who I paid close attention to.

Frederic:
-- It was a tale of two tournaments for him, IMO. The first 3 games with the split USA squad I thought he was fantastic...the last 3 games with the full squad I was not impressed at all. Early on, his line was controlling the play almost every shift and he was making lots of good, smart plays. In the later games, his line seemed to get stuck in its own end on most shifts and they had a hard time stringing plays together and weren't generating any real offense. Certainly not all of that is on him by any means but I was surprised at the difference in his success throughout the games.
-- His passing and vision impressed me the most. He reminds me of Heinen a bit in how he can slow things down, draw defenders to him, and then will make a neat little pass (often on his backhand) to an open teammate.
-- He showed strong possession skills at times. There were a few shifts where his line cycled the puck beautifully and he used his size well to control play in the o-zone.
-- I thought his speed was solid for someone of his size....seems like something he has worked on. I do agree with the above poster who noted that he did fall down more than I would like...usually when being pressured by a defender leading to a turnover.
-- I give his defensive game a check mark as well. He was good on faceoffs, good at knocking the puck off opponents' sticks, good along the boards, and seemed to be hustling on almost every shift.
-- Overall, I thought he was a lock to make the WJC team after the first 3 games but I'm not so sure anymore. He was often on the #1 PK unit (and the #2 PP during the split squad games) and took a lot of faceoffs (including near the end of the Canada game up 1) so that might be help his chances but it's far from guaranteed.

Vaakanainen:
-- He only played 2.5 games before getting hurt so obviously it’s a small sample size.
-- The thing that impressed me most was his puck handling. He had a shiftiness to his skating where he was able to deke around defenders on the fly while carrying the puck up. He also had some nice stickhandling moves around/through defenders as well.
-- He showed good quickness with some nice bursts to get away from forecheckers...but the Coffey/Neidermayer comparisons are a bit ridiculous at this point.
-- He wasn't afraid to jump into the rush and did so at the proper times. I don't recall him getting caught up ice or pinching once.
-- I also thought he made some real nice passes, often tape-to-tape hitting forwards in stride.
-- Defensively, he often had his stick in good position to break up passes or poke it away. By no means was he smothering like Zdeno but rather efficient and smart with his positioning.
-- However I thought he was often very passive on the defensive end as well. There were a number of times when I thought he would step up and challenge a puck carrier in his zone but he would give them space and let them skate away…though it’s possible that may have been a coaching/system thing.
-- There were also times where he seemed a bit lackadaisical with the puck. More than once the puck headed right for him but went right through him either because he missed it with his skate or didn’t have his stick down. In other cases, he didn’t show much hustle/urgency with forecheckers baring down on him…one case in particular, Joey Anderson picked his pocket cleanly behind his net because of it. Again, it’s a small sample size so It might mean nothing but something to keep an eye on.
-- His shot from the point seemed well below average to me.
-- He did show some grit getting into a crosschecking match with Cliff Pu in front of the net. He ended up taking a crosscheck to the face and drawing a penalty but didn’t miss a shift. Even when he got hurt (my initial guess was a separated shoulder or maybe a broken collarbone), you could tell he was in a lot of pain but stayed on the bench for the final few minutes of the period.
-- Overall, he pretty much came as advertised. He showed some nice glimpses but played a pretty inconspicuous game…I don’t expect many “wow†moments from him in the future. He was usually on the #1 PK unit and got some occasional #2 PP time and is pretty much a lock to make the WJC since he was on last year’s team (which may explain some of the lack of urgency during these games).

thanks for posting.
 

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So you wouldn't call Tarasenko a steal at #16 in '10, or Pastrnak a steal at #25? Hell Toews at #3 in '06 is probably a steal in retrospect.

Labeling someone a steal is relative. A guy like McAvoy could easily end up being a steal, but it's much too early to tell -- if Juolevi and Sergachev pan out, he might not even end up being one of the top players at his position from that draft within a few years. And having Chychrun drafted immediately after him doesn't help either...if he ends up being better, it'd be tough to consider McAvoy one then when a better player was available to the Bruins.

These are first round picks. You're suppose to get that kind of talent. I mean Hall, Seguin, Fowler, Johanson were 4 of the 15 picks before him. You could argue Kuznestov at 26 was a bigger steal. You're going to miss on some of your 1st round picks. That's just a proven fact. But a guy like Parayko in the 3rd round to me is a steal. Got passed on by most teams 2-3 times before being selected.
 

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These are first round picks. You're suppose to get that kind of talent. I mean Hall, Seguin, Fowler, Johanson were 4 of the 15 picks before him. You could argue Kuznestov at 26 was a bigger steal. You're going to miss on some of your 1st round picks. That's just a proven fact. But a guy like Parayko in the 3rd round to me is a steal. Got passed on by most teams 2-3 times before being selected.

The issue I have there is by that logic, virtually everyone who makes the NHL from outside say the 2nd round would be a steal. Every one of them got passed over 2 or more times and ended up making making it, all out of sometimes ~50-100 players ahead of them who didn't. Parayko is obviously an example of a good player there, but should Cedric Paquette or Andreas Athanasiou be considered steals?

I would agree that Parayko was a steal, but personally I think it has to be relative to how well the player compares to those picked around him and at the top. Parayko is a steal IMO because he's probably the ~5th best defenseman from that draft and yet was taken after 20-30 other defenseman (and a ton of forwards/goalies).

But even in the first round, that same logic holds -- Tarasenko has developed into at worst the 2nd best player from that entire draft, and STL got him 16th after 9 other forwards and some D/goalies. I wouldn't really call Kuznetsov much of a steal at all...maybe he might be because of how the players 10 spots in either direction panned out, but overall he was picked in the 1st round yet is easily outside the top 5 players from the whole draft...maybe even outside the top 5 for forwards.

Obviously it's plenty fair to say you're going to miss on some of your first rounders. But even when you hit, there's still a big difference between ending up with Tarasenko at #16 and say Jaden Schwartz at #14. Schwartz is a solid player and absolutely a first rounder, but he's no where close to being a steal at #14. Nor is getting Johansen at #4 really...those are just good, quality picks. But getting a player of Tarasenko's caliber anywhere outside of top 5 has to be considered a steal by any measure. The same probably holds for Anaheim getting Fowler at 12th out of that same draft.

For McAvoy, if he passes at least one of Juolevi/Sergachev and stays ahead of Chychrun, I think he'd be a steal. But otherwise he's probably just a savvy pick by the B's, which there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
 
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Alberta_OReilly_Fan

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When you look at any draft in the past its very rare to find more than 15 guys you would consider great top 6 forwards or above average top 3 dmen... so to say you expect a joe sakic to be available outside the top 5 is obviously silly. Getting someone like sakic even in the first 2 picks is great

Theres rare in any draft to find more than 30 players that dont bounce around the league for 3-4 years then bounce out. Finding guys that were useful for more than 1 contract is hard... so anyone that becomes an nhl regular after the first round is a steal

Fans might hope a team averages 2 nhl players per draft but no team does that. Fans might be upset if a team doesnt make a successful 1st round pick for 2-3even 4 years but every team has a string like that

Drafting is guess work. Many nhl players go undrafted... many late round picks are better than first rounders. 18 year old kids are much differnt than 22 year old men

When a draft works... be happy... but when it doesnt be realistic. Most dont work
 

Marcobruin

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To me a steal is Jamie Benn or Henrik Zetterberg. They got drafted light years away from the top spots.

Yes those are steals as well
So was rick tocchet, hey so is marchand
But hall of famer sakic went fifteen overall and if one considers most who went ahead of him ...then he's a
steal as well
 

ODAAT

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Halifax Constabulary has been notified🙄.

The term "steal" is open to one's own interpretation, unlike the word "disaster" as in Aiken and Hamill.

:laugh:

they`d never catch me, they have absolutely ripped apart this fine city with construction, racing around on a pogo stick is quicker than driving these days.

Feel bad for the tourists, especially those on the cruise ships in the harbor who have a day of walking around, dust , dirt and construction right in the heart of downtown doesn`t make for the greatest pictures
 

whitetape

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Originally posted by Bronx Bruin
-- Overall, I thought he was a lock to make the WJC team after the first 3 games but I'm not so sure anymore. He was often on the #1 PK unit (and the #2 PP during the split squad games) and took a lot of faceoffs (including near the end of the Canada game up 1) so that might be help his chances but it's far from guaranteed.

Sobering comments. But in the last game against Canada Frederic had some strong shifts and was out in the ice a lot in the waning minutes of a tight game. I expect he'll make the squad, especially if he lights it up back at Wisconsin.
 
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