Proposal: Bruins Off-Season Talk

[Mainehockey33]

That's not how I see her.

If Spooner is gonna take three, then HE is your big sign. Don't do it. Let him go.

He wants something more reasonable, we can talk.

Pastrnak is your only MUST sign. And you have no NEED to carry 13 forwards. And you can still move salary if need be.

Pastrnak at six-and-a-half... And the rest for two more forwards. I think that's an accurate way of estimating things.

EDIT: And if you want to be more specific, I have Agostino making the team on the fourth line. He makes $875K. That leaves roughly $12.9M for Pasta and another forward of your choice.

I'd also be surprised if both Mcquaid and Miller are here to start the year. Replace one with someone like O'Gara and you have more money to play with.

 

[DitClapper]

I'd also be surprised if both Mcquaid and Miller are here to start the year. Replace one with someone like O'Gara and you have more money to play with.

Prepare to be in total, utter shock then.

 

[Fenway]

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Pasta 6.5 means 10 forwards and 6.4 mil left. Need 2 more forwards minimum. Say one of them is 900k. 5.5 mil for forward number 12 and no wiggle room. I didnt see anyone I'd remotely sign near that number.

Just check your math on that one. Assuming your 6.5 and 6.4 factors him in, I have Agostino (makes 10) and then Pasta (makes 11). That leaves $6.4M for the last forward.

And I believe (like Maine says above me) that one of McQuaid or Miller could move.

You wouldn't try for Vanek or Marleau at $4-5M? I would.

I like a scenario where they sign Vanek to play with Krejci and Pasta and then trade Miller or McQuaid and give Brian Campbell another season on the bottom pair. A couple of old dudes I know, but...

Marchand - Bergeron - Backes
Vanek - Krejci - Pastrnak
Beleskey - JFK - Vatrano
Agostino - Nash - Acciari

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Campbell - McQuaid/Miller
Postma

That looks like a team who can play with any in the Eastern Conference.

And with the move of one of the stay-at-homers, you MAY conceivably be able to keep Spooner around if you can come to an agreement there.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Just check your math on that one. Assuming your 6.5 and 6.4 factors him in, I have Agostino (makes 10) and then Pasta (makes 11). That leaves $6.4M for the last forward.

And I believe (like Maine says above me) that one of McQuaid or Miller could move.

You wouldn't try for Vanek or Marleau at $4-5M? I would.

I like a scenario where they sign Vanek to play with Krejci and Pasta and then trade Miller or McQuaid and give Brian Campbell another season on the bottom pair. A couple of old dudes I know, but...

Marchand - Bergeron - Backes
Vanek - Krejci - Pastrnak
Beleskey - JFK - Vatrano
Agostino - Nash - Acciari

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Campbell - McQuaid/Miller
Postma

That looks like a team who can play with any in the Eastern Conference.

And with the move of one of the stay-at-homers, you MAY conceivably be able to keep Spooner around if you can come to an agreement there.

And I'd definitely prefer to at least start the year with Spooner. If JFK blows minds in Providence and Spooner is slacking, then I'd look for a trade. The third line for me is still completely up in the air.

 

[Pia8988]

Just check your math on that one. Assuming your 6.5 and 6.4 factors him in, I have Agostino (makes 10) and then Pasta (makes 11). That leaves $6.4M for the last forward.

And I believe (like Maine says above me) that one of McQuaid or Miller could move.

You wouldn't try for Vanek or Marleau at $4-5M? I would.

I like a scenario where they sign Vanek to play with Krejci and Pasta and then trade Miller or McQuaid and give Brian Campbell another season on the bottom pair. A couple of old dudes I know, but...

Marchand - Bergeron - Backes
Vanek - Krejci - Pastrnak
Beleskey - JFK - Vatrano
Agostino - Nash - Acciari

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Campbell - McQuaid/Miller
Postma

That looks like a team who can play with any in the Eastern Conference.

And with the move of one of the stay-at-homers, you MAY conceivably be able to keep Spooner around if you can come to an agreement there.

I would pay Marleau that, not Vanek.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

And I'd definitely prefer to at least start the year with Spooner. If JFK blows minds in Providence and Spooner is slacking, then I'd look for a trade. The third line for me is still completely up in the air.

I like Spooner a lot.

What I don't like, is this idea that he's gonna command $3.25M/yr or some such atrocity.

I say double his salary, one year and go from there.

If he can earn more, I'd prefer to not be the team that gives it to him. He's a depth player. A good one, but a depth player. Not convinced he'd give us three times what a young guy could in his place.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I would pay Marleau that, not Vanek.

Yeah that's totally fair.

What I'm trying to outline however is that there's opportunity here. Sweeney did WELL in opening up cap to give us that opportunity. Lou gave a scenario where the team did nothing (basically) and ended up at the ceiling. All one needs is a little imagination to figure differently. The specificity of names and numbers is unimportant.

 

[bob27]

Vanek earned 2.5 last year and is still taking another 2.5 from Minnesota this year, so he probably isn't looking for 5.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I like Spooner a lot.

What I don't like, is this idea that he's gonna command $3.25M/yr or some such atrocity.

I say double his salary, one year and go from there.

If he can earn more, I'd prefer to not be the team that gives it to him. He's a depth player. A good one, but a depth player. Not convinced he'd give us three times what a young guy could in his place.

$3.25 is too much, if that's the case then sure, move on. I'm hoping for something south of $3M for 1-2 years as a prove it contract. I'm not sold on JFK since he's played one game and looked like a teenager in his first game. That leaves Czarnik as far as offensive minded centers that could step in, and I'd rather see him do it by outperforming a guy like Spooner.

 

[smithformeragent]

Not suggesting I'd do this, but what might you be able to obtain for Bergeron if you wanted to get younger/cheaper and build for a window in 3 years as opposed to having some aging veterans and some guys who aren't yet in their prime coexisting?

Just throwing crap against the wall.

 

[LouJersey]

I like Spooner a lot.

What I don't like, is this idea that he's gonna command $3.25M/yr or some such atrocity.

I say double his salary, one year and go from there.

If he can earn more, I'd prefer to not be the team that gives it to him. He's a depth player. A good one, but a depth player. Not convinced he'd give us three times what a young guy could in his place.

I think with Spooner you get him to take something like 5 mil over 2 seasons. Maybe you could get him 4.5 mil which basically doubles his salary. He's not going to want to go to arbitration imo. He also doesn't have much value across the league imo.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Not suggesting I'd do this, but what might you be able to obtain for Bergeron if you wanted to get younger/cheaper and build for a window in 3 years as opposed to having some aging veterans and some guys who aren't yet in their prime coexisting?

Just throwing crap against the wall.

A ton of pissed off Bruin fans

I don't know, maybe a blue chip center prospect? I'd rather trade Krejci if possible. The problem is we don't have any up and coming centers ready for the top 6.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

I could be way off, but here's how I think things stand as of this moment:

Marchand ($6.125M) - Bergeron ($6.875M) - Backes ($6.0M)
Bjork ($925k) - Krejci ($7.25M) - Pastrnak (est. $6.75M)
Beleskey ($3.8M) - Spooner (est. $2.75M) - Vatrano ($792.5k)
Agostino ($875k) - Nash ($900k) - Acciari ($725k)

Extras: Schaller (est. 900k); Forsbacka Karlsson ($916.667k)

Combined cap hit of 14 Forwards: $45.584167M


Chara ($4.0M) - McAvoy ($916.667k)
Krug ($5.25M) - Carlo ($789.167k)
Miller ($2.5M) - McQuaid ($2.75M)

Extra: Postma ($725k)

Combined cap hit of 7 Defensemen: $16.930834M


Rask ($7.0M)
Khudobin ($1.2M)

Combined cap hit of 2 Goaltenders: $8.2M


Seidenberg ($2.166667M)
Hayes ($566.667k)

Combined cap hit from buyouts: $2.733334M


Total 23 man roster cap hit: $73.448335M
Remaining cap space: $1.551665M

If they send one of the forwards down to Providence, their cap space is probably closer to ~$2.5M. And this is assuming that I'm close to reality with the 3 RFA contracts.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

$3.25 is too much, if that's the case then sure, move on. I'm hoping for something south of $3M for 1-2 years as a prove it contract. I'm not sold on JFK since he's played one game and looked like a teenager in his first game. That leaves Czarnik as far as offensive minded centers that could step in, and I'd rather see him do it by outperforming a guy like Spooner.

I keep putting JFK in there because I think there's likely some kind of soft "guarantee" that he gets a shot in that spot. Either him or Bjork or both I feel may share that expectation.

But I agree with you for the most part. Despite his cowardly disappearing act in the playoffs, I still think Spooner can work as a depth forward, PP specialist *snicker*. He has value in that slot.

 

[JOKER 192]

I like what we did today. With the plethora of prospects we have in the system , I think DS is right to lay off big acquisitions . There is embarrassment of riches in our stables, time to see who the real deal is.

 

[LouJersey]

I could be way off, but here's how I think things stand as of this moment:

Marchand ($6.125M) - Bergeron ($6.875M) - Backes ($6.0M)
Bjork ($925k) - Krejci ($7.25M) - Pastrnak (est. $6.75M)
Beleskey ($3.8M) - Spooner (est. $2.75M) - Vatrano ($792.5k)
Agostino ($875k) - Nash ($900k) - Acciari ($725k)

Extras: Schaller (est. 900k); Forsbacka Karlsson ($916.667k)

Combined cap hit of 14 Forwards: $45.584167M


Chara ($4.0M) - McAvoy ($916.667k)
Krug ($5.25M) - Carlo ($789.167k)
Miller ($2.5M) - McQuaid ($2.75M)

Extra: Postma ($725k)

Combined cap hit of 7 Defensemen: $16.930834M


Rask ($7.0M)
Khudobin ($1.2M)

Combined cap hit of 2 Goaltenders: $8.2M


Seidenberg ($2.166667M)
Hayes ($566.667k)

Combined cap hit from buyouts: $2.733334M


Total 23 man roster cap hit: $73.448335M
Remaining cap space: $1.551665M

If they send one of the forwards down to Providence, their cap space is probably closer to ~$2.5M. And this is assuming that I'm close to reality with the 3 RFA contracts.

Great job as always. I bet it will look a lot like this.

 

[LouJersey]

I like what we did today. With the plethora of prospects we have in the system , I think DS is right to lay off big acquisitions . There is embarrassment of riches in our stables, time to see who the real deal is.

I'm fine with how UFA shook out but I want a top sixLW. I'd prefer a prospects for Lando type deal. Also want an upgrade in net behind Rask who is coming off surgery. Would be foolhardy to trust Dobby again IMO.

 

[JOKER 192]

I'm fine with how UFA shook out but I want a top sixLW. I'd prefer a prospects for Lando type deal. Also want an upgrade in net behind Rask who is coming off surgery. Would be foolhardy to trust Dobby again IMO.

Makes perfect sense to me on all points. Especially if the target is Lando, however, the only way that happens is if Carlo/McAvoy is part of the deal which is a no go for me. We gotta stop this nonsense of trading away players at such a young age. In the salary cap era in which we live it is a must to benefit from ELC's. We can't continue giving away players before we even know their full potential. We're finally putting a decent D corps together, can we just let it be.

I like Doby but an upgrade would be welcome.

I think we should just see where all these prospects are at before we start trading away key pieces when we may have just what we need in our stables.

 

[smithformeragent]

Feels like the same old problem of them being a body or two short in the top 6 which means guys are asked to slot out of place.

Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle and someone steps up and overachieves.

Not much else you can do, barring a trade for a winger.

 

[JCRO]

Feels like the same old problem of them being a body or two short in the top 6 which means guys are asked to slot out of place.

Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle and someone steps up and overachieves.

Not much else you can do, barring a trade for a winger.

...... But we got Postma!!!!

 

[Oates2Neely]

Would anyone here have given up Carlo for Taylor Hall one for one?

Are Landeskog/ Duchene in Hall's ballpark?

 

[slim399]

I'd also be surprised if both Mcquaid and Miller are here to start the year. Replace one with someone like O'Gara and you have more money to play with.

I completely agree and I think O'Gara is ready for that #6 LH D spot/ #7.

If we don't pick up a dman I am fine rolling with

Chara-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
O'Gara-Miller
Postman

If some how we move Beleskey, McQuaid and Spooner that gives us a ton of cap space.

 

[Ratty]

Would anyone here have given up Carlo for Taylor Hall one for one?

Are Landeskog/ Duchene in Hall's ballpark?

Yes, and

No.

 

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