Mainehockey33
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Ah that's right. Too bad because even if Kane is a head piece I think he'd be cheaper than other options and could still help us score some goals on the second line.
Speculation: Bruins after Duchene
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Ah that's right. Too bad because even if Kane is a head piece I think he'd be cheaper than other options and could still help us score some goals on the second line.
Since Spooner broke in full time in February of the 2014/2015 season.
Duchene - 176 GP | 54 G | 64 A | 118 P | 18:29
Spooner - 182 GP | 32 G | 74 A | 106 P | 14:42
I fully understand Spooner is not even half the player Duchene is though. He's Marchand/Bergeron level IMO. Just making a case for Spooner because I don't think he's pure trash like most here seem to believe after one set back season.
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Mainehockey33
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I think Duchene is on par with Horton as far as talent and value. Both players aren't top tier offensive guys in the league but definitely can be top line players on most teams. We paid Wideman, a 1st and a 3rd for Horton AND Campbell. Great value no doubt. Now imagine if the asking price for Horton and Campbell was a young top 4 D, top prospect, and a first, so we trade Boychuk, Marchand and a 1st (If I'm not mistaken this turned into Hamilton). That's a massive overpayment and I think everyone agrees. Even if the ask was Boychuk and a first I don't think we would have won the cup.
I'm not saying Carlo will be the next Boychuk or Heinen will be the next Marchand, but that's what comes to mind when I see Sakic's asking price, ludicrous.
I'm not saying Carlo will be the next Boychuk or Heinen will be the next Marchand, but that's what comes to mind when I see Sakic's asking price, ludicrous.
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I think Horton is a good analogy and he was signed for 3 years when the Bruins acquired him.
The way the roster is constructed now, as it was last year, the Bruins will have to rely too heavily on their core forwards barring some miracle from in house development. In my opinion, the difference between Boston and the legit contenders is in the #4 - 8 forwards. Strangely enough, the things that are hardest to acquire are already in house.
With just a few moves Sweeney can make this team a dark horse contender next year.
One is getting another d-man on the left side. You can't have just 40 year old Chara and Krug.
The other would be acquiring a player like Duchene that can be our Ron Francis.
Then, at the trade deadline, you add another top 9 forward at left wing who is slated to be UFA.
As it stands right now the B's are borderline playoff team and last year we were relatively lucky with injuries.
This is where I stand too. They could put themselves in better position for the next few seasons if they were willing/able to move a bit of the future to improve the present. Instead we are probably looking at another "bridge" year, yet the problem is that nobody knows what's on the other side of the bridge or when they'll get there. And to date we still don't know if we have a GM who is willing/able to make shrewd additions to his roster, and inevitably every Cup contender's GM does this a few times along the way.
C77
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The most difficult pieces to acquire are in place: they have three right side d-men that should be able to play Top 4 minutes, four if you count McQuaid who plays well with Krug. They have two on the left side in Z and Krug.
A legitimate 1st line center in Bergeron
Two 30-40 goal wingers.
Rask is certainly good enough to win a Cup.
Hopefully the inactivity is just a question of Sweeney being prudent and trying to get the best deal possible. I hope he hasn't fallen in love too much with his prospects.
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The asking price for Duchene is ridiculous. There will be no takers at that price. As the start of next season draws closer I could see the ask dropping . I don't think it would be wise for the Avs to start another season with this issue still unresolved . IMO that is what Gm's are waiting for, the key will be to identify when it is time to make the move.
Agreed , Sakic is crazy hanging onto him at this point, Duchene clearly wants out and would not surprise me to see his agent ask for a trade, which then lowers his value even more. Seems to me Hamonic, a first rounder and a prospect reportedly that was offered by the Islanders was more than a fair offer, Sakic should have jumped all over that.
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Inconsistent effort.
IMO, bad = someone that can't put things together (= perform) no matter what. Someone who can put up 40-50 points in the NHL is not "bad". He is frustrating because he flashes quite high level potential one game, then disappears for 2-3, rinse and repeat.
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...and seeing that Duchene has only two years left on his contract, his value decreases steadily by the day. If Sakic is stubborn with this, he will see a high level asset like Duchene go for peanuts (comparing to his value NOW) or for nothing when his contract expires. All this while the Avs are probably going to be a bottom feeder for the remainder of Duchene's contract. I don't know what Sakic is thinking.
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A deal will be done - Duchene will likely be in Columbus or maybe Nashville. The Avalanche also need news of teams vying for him which is why the Bruins are being leaked to this
This happened with Shattenkirk. The agent was trying to get the Rangers near 6/42 but tough to do when everyone knows you want to play for the Rangers first or Bruins second. That's why Gorton brilliantly floated out 'we will be moderate in Free Agency'. The Bruins were never in this other than the story
Bruins fans are getting hopes up over fake news conjured up to maximize a return elsewhere
Answering for WOP; bad is lacking hockey skill, frustrating us having skill but misusing it.
As far as I can tell Sakic is insane with his valuations. Good grief, I think Carlo for Lando is a tough call, and my understanding is they want a couple significant pieces added (and Lando is no Tyler Hall). Same seems to be the case with Duchene, whose value is already dropping fast
Admittedly he can get a late #1, and B prospect at any time in the 2018/2019 season, so it is not like his value will completely tank
Sakic probably is screwing this up, but the irony shouldn't be lost if we as Bruins fans rip another GM for overvaluing his assets and not closing deals.
ODAAT
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I get that first reports about his ask were as high as they were, but as the days roll on, if I were an Avs fan and indeed they are looking to move Duchene, at some point, the risk he`s taking is having 30 other teams telling him to take a long walk off a short pier or there`s one sucker out there who gives him what he wants and I`m less convinced of the latter
We`ll see, honestly thought the price would drop a bit, not in the sense that he wants a young D man, pick, prospect but maybe he`ll need to set his sights on a prospect that isn`t a top 4 D-man?
I dunno, not really sure Sakic knows what he`s doing out there, terrific player who I have alot of respect for but as a GM????
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I would not give up more than Spooner, Zboril, and a 1st for Duchene.
Plug in equivalent prospects if needed but I don't want to give up future blue-line roster anchors like Carlo or McAvoy. We've been looking for that defensive defenseman for a L-ONG A-SS time since losing Boychuck!
To me Carlo and McAvoy are off limits.
Plug in equivalent prospects if needed but I don't want to give up future blue-line roster anchors like Carlo or McAvoy. We've been looking for that defensive defenseman for a L-ONG A-SS time since losing Boychuck!
To me Carlo and McAvoy are off limits.
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I like him, but I'm totally ok with softish secondary scorers in my bottom 6 (like Hemsky getting 60pts on my3rd line in HFL this year
), while I think the culture of the B's and a lot of the fandom is against it. Thus, I don't think he'll ever really fit in here.
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I'm curious to see how the team performs under Cassidy for a full season. There's no denying they improved once he took over.
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I'm in agreement also. They're also one top 6 guy away from not really having to worry about that for the foreseeable future, especially if it's a guy like Lando with some term. And with their prospect depth, there's no way we can't find guys capable of producing in 3rd line roles.
This is also why I was in on selling a whole host of prospects for Brodin. Didn't come to fruition, but I'd totally be ok with going all in for the LHD we need now and for the future.
Good point. I haven't thought in this context. I'm ok if he fell in love with the prospects IF they hit. But if you think there's a 50/50 chance that your 5-10 prospects miss, trade 2 or 3 of them for the sure thing. I think they'll definitely get atleast one out of Lauzon, Zboril, Urho, Lingdren, etc. But if you can get a sure thing and still leave a couple of those guys, now you're playing with house money.
Also, we haven't exactly maximized value. Loui should've been traded. We traded 2-6th rounders for guys like Stempniak, Liles, etc. Used buy-outs on Seidenberg and Hayes and haven't really used the cap space. Maximize assets like Spooner before they lose their value.
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The difference is that because he doesn't get the ice to show more since you put him in the coach's doghouse.
Maybe just maybe.
LouJersey
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I like him, but I'm totally ok with softish secondary scorers in my bottom 6 (like Hemsky getting 60pts on my3rd line in HFL this year
Ahahahah agreed. Hence my affinity for Reilly Smith.
ODAAT
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I like him, but I'm totally ok with softish secondary scorers in my bottom 6 (like Hemsky getting 60pts on my3rd line in HFL this year
I like him too, I just find his game too inconsistent. Offensively there`s no lack of skill, defensively he`ll never be a Selke player but I find still, at this stage, he`ll often be too slow to identify where he needs to be in his zone, it`s not that he isn`t a bruiser, it`s his willingness or often a lack of willingness to at the very least get his nose dirty when necessary and my frustration comes from the fact that he`ll have a few games where he`s 100% engaged, doesn`t mean he wins those battles but shows he`s willing then he forgets all about doing that for a far too long of a stretch
I`m so on the fence with Spooner, he isn`t comfortable and/or can`t play wing effectively and he`s so below average at winning a faceoff and still struggles with defensive awareness that it`s worrisome.
Then I try to envision a PP without him....we`ll see if there is an internal candidate who pushes him aside or at least has DS thinking he`s found a replacement for Spooner, either way, I think this is the year we`ll see Spoons pushed hardest with competition, ball will be in his court as to what he`ll do with the challenge
