Bruce Cassidy Fired - Part II - Now he is in the Frozen Four with VGK

[Kate08]

I guess it depends on what was uncovered during that time period. What was the magnitude of it. Or maybe it was already being considered but they didn't want to reveal that to Bruce in case they decided he would be returning 100%.

Personally I think 99% of NHL coaches wear thin with their players by Year 4 or 5, even if that coach is a great communicator and a player's coach.

I agree with you. But, again...keep your mouth shut until you have the facts to make a decision. They didn't need to tell him that he was safe. That's crazy to me.

I get business is business and at the end of the day it's about results and money. But how you treat people does matter, and can have an impact on your business.

 

[BruinDust]

I agree with you. But, again...keep your mouth shut until you have the facts to make a decision. They didn't need to tell him that he was safe. That's crazy to me.

I get business is business and at the end of the day it's about results and money. But how you treat people does matter, and can have an impact on your business.

100%. And when it comes to recruiting coaches, scouts, etc. this sort of stuff can/will hurt. A co-worker told me once that all he has is his reputation because it will follow him wherever he goes to work. And to a degree this will hurt Boston management's reputation.

 

[BlackFrancis]

I agree with you. But, again...keep your mouth shut until you have the facts to make a decision. They didn't need to tell him that he was safe. That's crazy to me.

I get business is business and at the end of the day it's about results and money. But how you treat people does matter, and can have an impact on your business.

They didn't actually say, "Safe." That was just Ty Anderson paraphrasing some unnamed source before he walked that right on back. Then, after Cassidy came out with his, "Coaching under your existing deal" or whatever, Anderson jumped on that and dumped his "safe" nonsense.

 

[burstnbloom]

They don't play a lot of dump and chase. That's the difference. So you don't get as much of a chance to mash D-men and grind in the corners by virtue of less dump-ins.

But there are still puck battles to be won, corners to grind in, opportunities to drive to the net. Cassidy isn't magical enough to make those events obsolete. If he can coach that stuff out of the game he's the greatest hockey coach probably ever.

Bottom line, Backes was brought in under a different coach with a different offensive game-plan. If there was one stark difference between Cassidy and Julien that was it. Different zone entries, more triangle offense (and less low to high). I didn't get Julien's reluctance to use Backes as a Center but that's me beating a dead horse at this point.

As far as Foligno goes, Sweeney and Co. were well aware of the offensive scheme of Cassidy. Matter of fact, I'm guessing so was Foligno. I doubt he signed he believing the Bruins were about to become some dump-and-chase machine contrary to how they played the past 5 seasons. He knew what he was getting himself into. If we want to place blame then I guess it falls on Sweeney and the pro scouts for believing Foligno's game would still be effective in a more puck-possession driven system.

And FWIW, to the bolded, Cassidy was absolutely right. It's fact, backed by decades of data, that dump and chase hockey is losing hockey in this environment. That there were players complaining that they arent made to do what Cassidy's system asked them to do is an indictment on the people who brought those players in. That's not to say Cassidy's system wasn't flawed, it was. He had become too conservative in the ozone but going to an old school dump and chase system is a quick way to get in the lottery.

 

[Alicat]

I agree with you. But, again...keep your mouth shut until you have the facts to make a decision. They didn't need to tell him that he was safe. That's crazy to me.

I get business is business and at the end of the day it's about results and money. But how you treat people does matter, and can have an impact on your business.

Cassidy said they told him it was the status quo so the Bruins never specifically said he was safe.

 

[Fenway]

Bruce Cassidy was surprised by his dismissal, he says, after being told by Don Sweeney he would return - The Boston Globe

Cassidy said the Bruins GM had informed him at season’s end that he would be returning, so he was caught off guard Monday when he was fired.

www.bostonglobe.com

Bruce Cassidy spoke publicly Thursday for the first time since being dismissed Monday as Bruins coach, and remained characteristically classy and introspective despite the abrupt, unexpected end of his tenure.

Cassidy, 57, said general manager Don Sweeney had informed him at season’s end that he would be returning in September on the final season of his coaching contract for 2022-23, so it was a surprise when the GM came to his home in Winchester to inform him of his dismissal.

“I was under the assumption and preparing for it,” said Cassidy. “But at the end of the day, you are always on the clock as a coach. So it did catch me a bit by surprise.

“He explained his process … and again, I respect what he has to do as a general manager.

“He was very respectful in how he delivered the message. I don’t always agree, obviously, I want to be the coach of the Boston Bruins. But again, here we are.

 

[missingchicklet]

I guess it depends on what was uncovered during that time period. What was the magnitude of it. Or maybe it was already being considered but they didn't want to reveal that to Bruce in case they decided he would be returning 100%.

Personally I think 99% of NHL coaches wear thin with their players by Year 4 or 5, even if that coach is a great communicator and a player's coach.

The bolded part got me to looking up recent Cup winning coaches and what year under their reign did their team win the Cup. Looks like you make a good point. Past 15 years:

2021 Cooper, year 9
2020 Cooper, year 8
2019 Berube, year 1
2018 Trotz, year 4
2017 Sullivan, year 2
2016 Sullivan, year 1
2015 Quenneville, year 7
2014 Sutter, year 3
2013 Quenneville, year 5
2012 Sutter, year 1
2011 Julien, year 4
2010 Quenneville, year 1
2009 Bylsma, year 1
2008 Babcock, year 3
2007 Carlyle, year 1

Cooper is the only oddball of the group. Coach Q just kept winning cups until year 7.

 

[Kate08]

They didn't actually say, "Safe." That was just Ty Anderson paraphrasing some unnamed source before he walked that right on back. Then, after Cassidy came out with his, "Coaching under your existing deal" or whatever, Anderson jumped on that and dumped his "safe" nonsense.

Cassidy said they told him it was the status quo so the Bruins never specifically said he was safe.

Safe, status quo. Potato/Potahto.

Keep your mouth shut, or say something to the effect of we need to complete our end of year process and are committed to keeping you up to date on where we are in that process. It's not hard.

 

[Over the volcano]

The bolded part got me to looking up recent Cup winning coaches and what year under their reign did their team win the Cup. Looks like you make a good point. Past 15 years:

2021 Cooper, year 9
2020 Cooper, year 8
2019 Berube, year 1
2018 Trotz, year 4
2017 Sullivan, year 2
2016 Sullivan, year 1
2015 Quenneville, year 7
2014 Sutter, year 3
2013 Quenneville, year 5
2012 Sutter, year 1
2011 Julien, year 4
2010 Quenneville, year 1
2009 Bylsma, year 1
2008 Babcock, year 3
2007 Carlyle, year 1

Cooper is the only oddball of the group. Coach Q just kept winning cups until year 7.

Interesting stuff

6 out of the 10 first time winners did it in their first year with the club.

 

[Alicat]

Safe, status quo. Potato/Potahto.

Keep your mouth shut, or say something to the effect of we need to complete our end of year process and are committed to keeping you up to date on where we are in that process. It's not hard.

I completely agree.

I was just pointing out that they never explicitly stated he was safe. What they did do however, was create a false sense of security and Cassidy has every right to be pissed off about it.

 

[Bruinaura]

I will be rooting for Cassidy, as long as he doesn't go to a team I hate lol.

He seems like a pretty decent guy to me.

 

[BruinDust]

And FWIW, to the bolded, Cassidy was absolutely right. It's fact, backed by decades of data, that dump and chase hockey is losing hockey in this environment. That there were players complaining that they arent made to do what Cassidy's system asked them to do is an indictment on the people who brought those players in. That's not to say Cassidy's system wasn't flawed, it was. He had become too conservative in the ozone but going to an old school dump and chase system is a quick way to get in the lottery.

Totally agree.

 

[BruinDust]

The bolded part got me to looking up recent Cup winning coaches and what year under their reign did their team win the Cup. Looks like you make a good point. Past 15 years:

2021 Cooper, year 9
2020 Cooper, year 8
2019 Berube, year 1
2018 Trotz, year 4
2017 Sullivan, year 2
2016 Sullivan, year 1
2015 Quenneville, year 7
2014 Sutter, year 3
2013 Quenneville, year 5
2012 Sutter, year 1
2011 Julien, year 4
2010 Quenneville, year 1
2009 Bylsma, year 1
2008 Babcock, year 3
2007 Carlyle, year 1

Cooper is the only oddball of the group. Coach Q just kept winning cups until year 7.

Look at the list of Jack Adams winners the past decade. Not many last long after winning.

2020 - Cassidy - Fired 2 seasons later

2019 - Trotz - Fired 3 seasons later

2018 - Gallant - Fired midway the following season

2017 - Torts - Fired 4 seasons later

2016 - Trotz - Could not agree on an extension following cup win.

2015 - Hartley - Fired the following season

2014 - Roy - Fired 2 seasons later

2013 - MacLean - Fired 1 and 1/4 seasons later.

Hitchcock last 6 seasons after his Adams win but his winning record in the regular season was awfully good. I'm not sure how Dan Bylsma won the 2011 award. I felt Julien started to get stale in 2013-14 despite the teams overall record.

 

[burstnbloom]

Look at the list of Jack Adams winners the past decade. Not many last long after winning.

2020 - Cassidy - Fired 2 seasons later

2019 - Trotz - Fired 3 seasons later

2018 - Gallant - Fired midway the following season

2017 - Torts - Fired 4 seasons later

2016 - Trotz - Could not agree on an extension following cup win.

2015 - Hartley - Fired the following season

2014 - Roy - Fired 2 seasons later

2013 - MacLean - Fired 1 and 1/4 seasons later.

Hitchcock last 6 seasons after his Adams win but his winning record in the regular season was awfully good. I'm not sure how Dan Bylsma won the 2011 award. I felt Julien started to get stale in 2013-14 despite the teams overall record.

That's because writers vote on the award and they almost always choose the coach of the team that played better than they expected. Usually that's bc of unsustainable shooting percentage or good fortune, as was the case for McLean, Roy, Hartley, Gallant and Trotz #2. Cassidy and Trotz #1 were both probably wrongfully let go.

 

[Dr Hook]

Look at the list of Jack Adams winners the past decade. Not many last long after winning.

2020 - Cassidy - Fired 2 seasons later

2019 - Trotz - Fired 3 seasons later

2018 - Gallant - Fired midway the following season

2017 - Torts - Fired 4 seasons later

2016 - Trotz - Could not agree on an extension following cup win.

2015 - Hartley - Fired the following season

2014 - Roy - Fired 2 seasons later

2013 - MacLean - Fired 1 and 1/4 seasons later.

Hitchcock last 6 seasons after his Adams win but his winning record in the regular season was awfully good. I'm not sure how Dan Bylsma won the 2011 award. I felt Julien started to get stale in 2013-14 despite the teams overall record.

It’s the kiss of death, like the President’s trophy

 

[Bruinaura]

BTW, did anyone ask the nerds their opinion of letting Cassidy go? They are probably sad.

 

[burstnbloom]

BTW, did anyone ask the nerds their opinion of letting Cassidy go? They are probably sad.

I don't want to speak for ALL nerds, but I'm mostly ok with any coach that pairs Derek Forbort with Charlie McAvoy getting let go.

 

[Fenway]

 

[Fenway]

 

[ODAAT]

is this a massive shock anymore? A team (pick your sport) comes out, says player A,B or C is safe or won`t be moved, or this coach or that won`t be canned and the old cliche "has our confidence" line then boom, gonzo in no time

Is it a good look? Nope and I first thought well this sucks when trying to recruit someone but then I remembered what I forgot, money matters and there`s only so many NHL gigs, no potential coach will give a rats ass, he`ll know he`s hired to be fired someday

Still doesn`t mean I like the way this was handled, would much rather Cam be shown the door but that ain`t happening

 

[Over the volcano]

Sources: Philadelphia Flyers talking to John Tortorella, David Quinn, Jeff Blashill and Bruce Cassidy in coaching search

John Tortorella is also expected to get a second interview.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Thought he’d find a good landing spot pretty quick, not sure Philly’s the pick of the litter though

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Sources: Philadelphia Flyers talking to John Tortorella, David Quinn, Jeff Blashill and Bruce Cassidy in coaching search

John Tortorella is also expected to get a second interview.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Thought he’d find a good landing spot pretty quick, not sure Philly’s the pick of the litter though

Philly is perfect for him. Place needs to get torched and he’s just the guy to do it

 

[BlackFrancis]

Philly is perfect for him. Place needs to get torched and he’s just the guy to do it

His system would probably do well there. Unfortunately for Philly, that franchise is run by vandals.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

His system would probably do well there. Unfortunately for Philly, that franchise is run by vandals.

The place is a disaster - and I say that as someone born in Philly who went to the SC parade at 6 months old. Par for the course is that they’re going to try to hurry a rebuild instead of taking their lumps and building something solid.

 

[Gee Wally]

Sources: Philadelphia Flyers talking to John Tortorella, David Quinn, Jeff Blashill and Bruce Cassidy in coaching search

John Tortorella is also expected to get a second interview.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Thought he’d find a good landing spot pretty quick, not sure Philly’s the pick of the litter though

I can easily envision him throwing snow balls at Santa.