Bruce Cassidy Fired - Part II - Now he is in the Frozen Four with VGK

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Head Coach of the Vegas Golden Knights - BRUCE CASSIDY - The Bob McCown Podcast

Former bench boss for the Boston Bruins and current head coach of the Vegas Golden Knights, Bruce Cassidy, Joins the show to chat with Bob and John. The three talk about Bruce's departure from Boston after being connected to the franchise for so long and get his first thoughts on his new team...

omny.fm

Those guys didn't beat around the bush with their questions. Really direct, and Butch did a good job of answering them. Interesting listen for sure.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

What a big meanie Bruce was.
Listening to the new coaches comments recently lead me to believe the inmates are running the show.

Another example of how Neely and Sweeney are just doing their best to stay employed

 

[frankiess]

Add Ryan Whitney to the list of people who heard the players hated cassidy. Said it on spittin chicklets podcast

Most everyone has ''heard'' it. The question is, is it true? As you say, ''who Whitney has talked to''?

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Add Ryan Whitney to the list of people who heard the players hated cassidy. Said it on spittin chicklets podcast

Heard. Now that just cements it doesn’t it?

 

[rocketdan9]

What a big meanie Bruce was.
Listening to the new coaches comments recently lead me to believe the inmates are running the show.

Another example of how Neely and Sweeney are just doing their best to stay employed

If Cassidy is sharp with 1 on 1s... but can help a player improve....

But calling out guys in front of the rest of the team or publicly through the media (unless last resort).... probably did not resonate well with some of the players

 

[frankiess]

If Cassidy is sharp with 1 on 1s... but can help a player improve....

But calling out guys in front of the rest of the team or publicly through the media (unless last resort).... probably did not resonate well with some of the players

I'm not sure that would drive players to ''hate him''. Whitney seemed to emphasize that hate part. Whitney said that he heard that ''the players really hated him''. That's a lot of players.

 

[chizzler]

It’s really simple, Cassidy’s time was over. There was probably many things that happen that people don’t know about. It’s not the first time or the last. Many teams go through this. Cassidy did some damage management through Fluto and got himself a job immediately. Good for him. Bruins doing the right thing by not engaging in media hype. Remember what sells out there. Couldn’t be any better for the radio mob. As much as I don’t like Sweeney, he doesn’t seem reactionary. I think things happened and it was time.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

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Head Coach of the Vegas Golden Knights - BRUCE CASSIDY - The Bob McCown Podcast

Former bench boss for the Boston Bruins and current head coach of the Vegas Golden Knights, Bruce Cassidy, Joins the show to chat with Bob and John. The three talk about Bruce's departure from Boston after being connected to the franchise for so long and get his first thoughts on his new team...

omny.fm

Good listen. A reminder of why I simply can't believe Cassidy is some kind of ogre. If he is he's either a Jekyll and Hyde or an excellent actor, because I'm just not seeing it. Bruce has his flaws and I suspect some of his communication and ability to relate to some players one on one could be better, but to be difficult to the point that multiple players hated or despised him and openly wanted him gone? If it's true I think it says more about the players than about him.

Anyway, proof will be in the pudding, both for Cassidy and the Bruins. We will see how the Vegas roster responds to and plays under him, and how the Bs fare with a reputedly more player-friendly, relational coach.

 

[ODAAT]

Good listen. A reminder of why I simply can't believe Cassidy is some kind of ogre. If he is he's either a Jekyll and Hyde or an excellent actor, because I'm just not seeing it. Bruce has his flaws and I suspect some of his communication and ability to relate to some players one on one could be better, but to be difficult to the point that multiple players hated or despised him and openly wanted him gone? If it's true I think it says more about the players than about him.

Anyway, proof will be in the pudding, both for Cassidy and the Bruins. We will see how the Vegas roster responds to and plays under him, and how the Bs fare with a reputedly more player-friendly, relational coach.

I get the feeling that Butch wasn`t despised or hated but rather he was viewed as a coach who wasn`t a terrific communicator. If he didn`t like a players game it feels like no conversations would occur and he`d simply plant that players ass to the bench or push him upstairs without a ton of communication

I don`t mind a hard ass coach, problem is the game is different now, that old school approach doesn`t work a great deal of times. I get the sense based on what we hear about the Bolts that Cooper is a very strong communicator and he`s also a coach who will allow his younger players to learn from mistakes whereas I always got the sense that Butch`s way of "teaching" is to not play someone. If Butch was a player favorite, do we see him behind the bench of another team right now? Not so sure we do, in this day and age, few secrets are safe, if he were as beloved by his players as he is by the many of the fans and media, we`d be hearing about it

I felt when he first took over for CJ it was like the room exhaled, he allowed the boys to play more free, allow their skill to take over with less rigid commitment to systems hockey. Over time, that changed, some of it isn`t on Butch as you can only play the style your troops are able to play but I have never really liked Butch`s in game ability to make on the fly adjustments, his adjustments were more often than not simply shifting personnel up and down the lineup but not changing to the flow or style of a game going on

 

[BMC]

What a big meanie Bruce was.
Listening to the new coaches comments recently lead me to believe the inmates are running the show.

Another example of how Neely and Sweeney are just doing their best to stay employed

I get that some coaches have & do cross the line between being demanding of their players & behaving abusively towards them but it looks like the pendulum is swinging too far the other way not just in hockey but in other sports too. There are times when a stern tone & equally stern words are necessary to get people's attention & make them take responsibility for their behavior because otherwise they just won't do it. Unfortunately a lot of these athletes have been coddled since childhood because of their extraordinary talent and they simply lack the mental/emotional resilience needed to take criticism and use it to improve instead of complaining the coach is mean/unfair/abusive.

 

[frankiess]

I get the feeling that Butch wasn`t despised or hated but rather he was viewed as a coach who wasn`t a terrific communicator. If he didn`t like a players game it feels like no conversations would occur and he`d simply plant that players ass to the bench or push him upstairs without a ton of communication

I don`t mind a hard ass coach, problem is the game is different now, that old school approach doesn`t work a great deal of times. I get the sense based on what we hear about the Bolts that Cooper is a very strong communicator and he`s also a coach who will allow his younger players to learn from mistakes whereas I always got the sense that Butch`s way of "teaching" is to not play someone. If Butch was a player favorite, do we see him behind the bench of another team right now? Not so sure we do, in this day and age, few secrets are safe, if he were as beloved by his players as he is by the many of the fans and media, we`d be hearing about it

I felt when he first took over for CJ it was like the room exhaled, he allowed the boys to play more free, allow their skill to take over with less rigid commitment to systems hockey. Over time, that changed, some of it isn`t on Butch as you can only play the style your troops are able to play but I have never really liked Butch`s in game ability to make on the fly adjustments, his adjustments were more often than not simply shifting personnel up and down the lineup but not changing to the flow or style of a game going on

Cassidy gave his side in the interview. We're getting the players side from reporters who heard it from someone who heard it from whom? As for what was communicated and how it was communicated in the dressing room, only the coaches and players know.

 

[HumBucker]

Good listen. A reminder of why I simply can't believe Cassidy is some kind of ogre. If he is he's either a Jekyll and Hyde or an excellent actor, because I'm just not seeing it. Bruce has his flaws and I suspect some of his communication and ability to relate to some players one on one could be better, but to be difficult to the point that multiple players hated or despised him and openly wanted him gone? If it's true I think it says more about the players than about him.

Anyway, proof will be in the pudding, both for Cassidy and the Bruins. We will see how the Vegas roster responds to and plays under him, and how the Bs fare with a reputedly more player-friendly, relational coach.

Yes, but to be fair, the Bruins played pretty well for Cassidy in the first 4-5 years at least. This pudding is best served cold – i.e., to be tested after the same amount of time has passed in Vegas.

 

[ON3M4N]

I get the feeling that Butch wasn`t despised or hated but rather he was viewed as a coach who wasn`t a terrific communicator. If he didn`t like a players game it feels like no conversations would occur and he`d simply plant that players ass to the bench or push him upstairs without a ton of communication

I don`t mind a hard ass coach, problem is the game is different now, that old school approach doesn`t work a great deal of times. I get the sense based on what we hear about the Bolts that Cooper is a very strong communicator and he`s also a coach who will allow his younger players to learn from mistakes whereas I always got the sense that Butch`s way of "teaching" is to not play someone. If Butch was a player favorite, do we see him behind the bench of another team right now? Not so sure we do, in this day and age, few secrets are safe, if he were as beloved by his players as he is by the many of the fans and media, we`d be hearing about it

I felt when he first took over for CJ it was like the room exhaled, he allowed the boys to play more free, allow their skill to take over with less rigid commitment to systems hockey. Over time, that changed, some of it isn`t on Butch as you can only play the style your troops are able to play but I have never really liked Butch`s in game ability to make on the fly adjustments, his adjustments were more often than not simply shifting personnel up and down the lineup but not changing to the flow or style of a game going on

When leading a team/group the communication part is a HUGE part of it. Not only do you have to be able to communicate higher level to a team, but also at an individual level. What motivates one guy isn't going to motivate another. Some will get the message if you reprimand them (i.e. bench them) and for some it only makes it worse.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

I don`t mind a hard ass coach, problem is the game is different now, that old school approach doesn`t work a great deal of times.

Yea I think players nowadays know their worth and demand to be respected as a person.

Where as players from older generations were more obedient to authority figures like a coach and were too afraid to rock the boat so they would take the abuse rather than speaking up and taking a stand.

Leadership styles like Keenan are thankfully going the way of the dinosaur for a reason. Whenever I've had bosses who act like that in the past that approach did nothing for me and if anything I lost respect for them as a person. Just laughed at them and went about my business.

Glad things are changing.

 

[Riverfront]

believe with cassidy in vegas, look for the team to try and get Krug from
ST. Louis to help vegas improve there power play.
Don't know how it will happen because of cap situation but thinking it may be a possibility.

 

[mjhfb]

Cassidy's shelf life had expired. So what. It happens to all coaches.
Remember Pat Burns was the only coach to win the Jack Adams with three different teams (Montreal Canadiens, Toronto Maple Leafs, Boston Bruins) - all very tough markets, and the players didn't exactly love him either.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

What’s the over/under on how long Cassidy lasts in Vegas?

 

[NeelyDan]

What’s the over/under on how long Cassidy lasts in Vegas?

Over/Under is set at 4 years, enter your wagers here

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Over/Under is set at 4 years, enter your wagers here

This can apply to every head coach. Nothing special about Cassidy in it.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Cassidy's shelf life had expired. So what. It happens to all coaches.
Remember Pat Burns was the only coach to win the Jack Adams with three different teams (Montreal Canadiens, Toronto Maple Leafs, Boston Bruins) - all very tough markets, and the players didn't exactly love him either.

And Burns never coached a team for more than 4 seasons.

This can apply to every head coach. Nothing special about Cassidy in it.

I'd take the under for 90% of the coaches.

 

[NeelyDan]

This can apply to every head coach. Nothing special about Cassidy in it.

thanks Buzz

 

[Therick67]

who lasts longer, Cassidy in Vegas or Sweeney here?

 

[rocketdan9]

What’s the over/under on how long Cassidy lasts in Vegas?

2 years

If he gets ousted again due to locker room dislike. He could become the Mike Keenan of hockey coaches.

 

[chizzler]

People grow. Cassidy probably will change and learn from his time in Boston just like I’m sure he learned from his time in Washington.

 

[ODAAT]

When leading a team/group the communication part is a HUGE part of it. Not only do you have to be able to communicate higher level to a team, but also at an individual level. What motivates one guy isn't going to motivate another. Some will get the message if you reprimand them (i.e. bench them) and for some it only makes it worse.

totally agree, not that this is the same in respect to prestige but I managed restaurants for years and how I communicated with one staff member may not be the approach I used when communicating to another staff member. There was a time when those in the kitchen (especially Head Chef`s) were beyond disrespectful and lunatics, simply doesn`t work nor is it acceptable these days

I think Butch is a very good coach whose communication abilities are poor