Closest player in Ottawa for Brodie would be Mark Stone. Guy is an underrated player who is one of the better 2-way players in the league. I wouldn't move him but if we ever had to, Brodie is one of the first guys I'd want coming back. I'd also entertain a Ryan/Hamilton type deal.
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Brodie is not going anywhere, especially for a quantity for quality deal, not a chance.
Giordano I'd consider moving, but that should still be for quality, not quantity.
Giordano I'd consider moving, but that should still be for quality, not quantity.
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Either one to the Habs would be unreal but Emelin or Desharnais would have to go back too, I'd definitely make the 1st and top prospects available
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The way they are playing tonight I'd say just take both of them.
The Flames have good D, they just don't fit well together.
The Flames have good D, they just don't fit well together.
I'm not following this. in the latter scenario you'd be moving gio for two lesser defenders then losing one in the summer. That makes zero sense. What am I missing?
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I'd do Gio (and maybe a prospect) for Pacs and Emelin
Just because we really have no left wingers outside of Faudreau and Tkachuk, who I would like to be sent back.
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Example: Giordano for Reilly + Carrick.
Flames lose Carrick to expansion and Giordano > Rielly, but Rielly's value as 22 yo on a nice contract vs. Gio's situation makes it worth it. Alternatively, a nice + (forward, prospect,etc) could be attached to the return.
Yeah I figured, but then you haven't addressed the depth problem which seemed to be the reasoning for the thread. Thanks for clarifying though
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Brodie
Jokipakka
Bouma
(7.75M)
for
Gardiner @ 50%
JVR
Carrick
2017 2nd
2018 1st
(7.025M)
Regardless of the rest, 50% retention on Gardiner is key.
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Maybe if Trouba wasn't a baby and would play in Canada.
That leaves a very undesirable position of having Brodie on the left side tonight, which we have seen all season and tonight again.
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Right, but if you can fix the problem temporarily while fixing other problems, that's fine too.
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The Flames D looks like it needs a major shakeup. And badly need a RW who can play with Gaudreau. Would Giordano be tradable? Is the contract too much of an anchor? Should the Flames just sit back and see if this somehow solves itself?
30th place in goals against is becoming very familiar territory even though they have gone through multiple goalies and coaches. I think the D is pretty solid on an individual basis but just don't fit well together as a group, especially defensively and this season the offence dried up as well.
30th place in goals against is becoming very familiar territory even though they have gone through multiple goalies and coaches. I think the D is pretty solid on an individual basis but just don't fit well together as a group, especially defensively and this season the offence dried up as well.
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Too much going to CGY in my opinion. I don't know anything about Jokipakka or Bouma TBH, so I'm assuming they have very little value (I don't know enough to comment otherwise). For retaining, I'm sure Leaf fans would be much more inclined to retain on JVR over Gardiner (1 less year of retention) which should work out fine for CGY still, but gives the Leafs an extra 2m in capspace in 2 years (a year they may make a decent UFA splash to help take their core to the next level).
Overall, there's just too much value going to CGY for it to make sense for Toronto when you add those picks, retention, and Carrick. I'm hoping we are in the playoffs after next year, but a key injury or two and that pick could turn out to be another great piece in addition to JVR & Gardiner.
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Too much value for 26 year old #1?
Look, every leafs trade proposal ever has included jvr and gardiner along with a bunch of spare change. So obviously they aren't as good as people want them to be
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Nope Trouba doesn't want to play in Canada.
And Gio is way to old for what Cheveldayoff is seeking.
So Nope and Nope.
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Yes, because amount of trade proposals = quality of player. That's ridiculous. Those are two great pieces that can instantly step into a contending teams as a 1st/2nd line LW and a 2nd pairing Dman. If you read my previous posts I have said multiple times that I don't think Brodie will be moved, but if there is a reason CGY decides to trade him, he wouldn't get that much (I say this as a massive fan of Brodie -> my prized possession is a signed Brodie Jersey btw).
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Jvr just had a down year, Gardiner is a watered down Brodie, and we will lose either one of them or Carrick to expansion, it just makes no sense.
Some kind of 1 for 1 is the ONLY way a proposal could ever make sense.
And yeah, usually if there's six million proposals of the player from their own fan base, they're doing something wrong. Especially when they're the only veterans on a rookie team and they're still 25-28 years old.
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Jokipakka is a capable bottom pair dman. His role and minutes on the flames is what you would expect from a #5 dman. Based on the trades last year, I think his value is a 2nd round pick: Weber (UFA), Schultz and Gelinas (double caphit) were shipped for a 3rd, Polak traded for 2 2nd. On the other hand, Bouma has little to no value. He's the classic bottom 6er with a 2.2m AAV contract. Adding JVR + Carrick = a logjam of LW and D, so one of each needs to go.
I saw the 2018 1st as more of a 13-17 overall. If you're worried about positions, you can replace the picks with Kapanen or a good RW prospect like him as long as we send Hunter Smith the other way.
Both 50% on Gardiner and Carrick are a must. The whole point of this thread is to acquire two quality top 4 dmen and the 50% would make the trade worth it. That money will be key to extend some forwards.
