Player Discussion Brock Boeser - Brock Around the Clock

[PuckMunchkin]

Someone will sign Brock to 8m-8+ x 7 years plunk him beside a top line center, something the Canucks haven't had since trading Miller, and brock will net 40. Canucks fans will seeth.

Cap is jumping up a ton over the next few seasons, to scoff at 8m for brock, everyone should get prepared for some contracts coming out.

I dont know 40.

But 30 and solid two way play for the first ½ of the contract.
And the contract will be palatable after that with the cap rising.

 

[Breakers]

that guy from Newport said draft classes are brought up in negotiations to a certain extent, past 2 season sample size being huge


a guy like Meier has a long term deal from his draft class
who else Koneckny who is a better player
I think Boeser could get $55 million
7.5x7 around there

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Someone will sign Brock to 8m-8+ x 7 years plunk him beside a top line center, something the Canucks haven't had since trading Miller, and brock will net 40. Canucks fans will seeth.

Cap is jumping up a ton over the next few seasons, to scoff at 8m for brock, everyone should get prepared for some contracts coming out.

Basically a 28-31 year old Phil Kessel or Steven Stamkos. Iffy 5 on 5 play, cannot fully generate offense on their own but lethal with open space or a clear shot at net.

The way I see it....It's a total moot concern for us. We will not come across a legitimate 1C the next few years, nor will Boeser redevelop any chemistry with Pettersson.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Wish Brock the best for the future and appreciate his time in Vancouver, especially his rookie season and last year's playoff. His hat trick against Nashville was one of the best moment for the organization in the last 10 years. Seems like a really good person too so I wish him the best going forward.

However, it is time for both parties to move on. I understand a lot went on this season but his play was not very good at all, save for a brief 5-6 games late March-early April. In the right situation he can still be a good player, but it won't be here unfortunately. And his next contract will not age well.

 

[StreetHawk]

that guy from Newport said draft classes are brought up in negotiations to a certain extent, past 2 season sample size being huge


a guy like Meier has a long term deal from his draft class
who else Koneckny who is a better player
I think Boeser could get $55 million
7.5x7 around there

I think Brock takes a lower cap hit than what Van offered, but gets the extra term he's looking for. More about total money, plus security of the extra 2 years at this point for him (financially). Better chance to lock that in now at age 28, then taking the risk of looking for a $6 mill or so AAV at age 33.

 

[F A N]

Well, the Canucks picked up Kiefer Sherwood on the cheap this off-season. And he has 19 goals on the season.

There's a lot of younger guys who could be had in the $3m range, who could replicate what Sherwood has done. Is it worth paying Boeser $8m for just 10 more goals a season?

If we can consistently acquire "younger guys" for around $3M AAV who can regularly score 19-20 goals a season we should be doing that and then trade them for assets when they age and get more expensive. But for every Sherwood there are far more Heinans. We even have Hoglander who will be at $3M who may or may not score 19 next season.

Again, a 30+ goal scoring "line driver" who is bigger, faster, and has more finesse than Boeser would be an elite power forward in the NHL. Let's go out and acquire one!

 

[F A N]

Wish Brock the best for the future and appreciate his time in Vancouver, especially his rookie season and last year's playoff. His hat trick against Nashville was one of the best moment for the organization in the last 10 years. Seems like a really good person too so I wish him the best going forward.

However, it is time for both parties to move on. I understand a lot went on this season but his play was not very good at all, save for a brief 5-6 games late March-early April. In the right situation he can still be a good player, but it won't be here unfortunately. And his next contract will not age well.

Boeser's concussion set him back and the team was in disarray. He STILL finished tied for the most points among Canucks forwards despite being "not very good at all save for a brief 5-6 games."

Signing players to contracts that don't age well is the cost of doing business. We offered a soon-to-be 30 year old Lindholm a 7x$7M contract. We're not signing any UFA forward near Boeser's calibre under 30 to anything less than 7 years.

Maybe management has something up their sleeve but if they insist 5 years max for Boeser it's a stupid negotiation. There should be a 7x$7M offer with Debrusk-like trade protections on the table at the very least.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Basically a 28-31 year old Phil Kessel or Steven Stamkos. Iffy 5 on 5 play, cannot fully generate offense on their own but lethal with open space or a clear shot at net.

The way I see it....It's a total moot concern for us. We will not come across a legitimate 1C the next few years, nor will Boeser redevelop any chemistry with Pettersson.

Boeser and Pettersson had good chemistry in the latter's rookie season, but after Boeser slowed down and Pettersson started getting injured, they were both relying on Miller to carry the play for much of their shared tenure here.

 

[Hodgy]

Maybe management has something up their sleeve but if they insist 5 years max for Boeser it's a stupid negotiation. There should be a 7x$7M offer with Debrusk-like trade protections on the table at the very least.

Sure, but if you have a strong play driving first line centre that can play well with Boeser, then a 7X7 type contract may very well work out for the team. Unfortunately, we don't currently have this centre. And in an alternate universe, where Miller isn't traded but continues to play well with Boeser and he puts up 35 goals or whatever this year, then I don't doubt that the Canucks would re-sign Boeser long term. But as it currently stands, re-signing Boeser, based on the lack of chemistry he showed with Pettersson, would be a risk endeavor. Of course if and when Pettersson rebounds, or if we acquire another centre, then it could work out for Boeser here.

 

[F A N]

Sure, but if you have a strong play driving first line centre that can play well with Boeser, then a 7X7 type contract may very well work out for the team. Unfortunately, we don't currently have this centre. And in an alternate universe, where Miller isn't traded but continues to play well with Boeser and he puts up 35 goals or whatever this year, then I don't doubt that the Canucks would re-sign Boeser long term. But as it currently stands, re-signing Boeser, based on the lack of chemistry he showed with Pettersson, would be a risk endeavor. Of course if and when Pettersson rebounds, or if we acquire another centre, then it could work out for Boeser here.

Then why are we offering him 5x$8M if the concern is we don't currently have a strong play driving 1st line centre to play with him?

 

[Hodgy]

Then why are we offering him 5x$8M if the concern is we don't currently have a strong play driving 1st line centre to play with him?

This is one of my concerns, I don't know what the team's concerns are, or what they've offered him. But I think if they keep the contract to a shorter duration, then obviously, there is less risk.

 

[F A N]

This is one of my concerns, I don't know what the team's concerns are, or what they've offered him. But I think if they keep the contract to a shorter duration, then obviously, there is less risk.

Ya. I'm just trying to get a sense of what management is thinking here. I just don't think any GM can convince Boeser (who just turned 28) and his agent that he's likely to decline early so he can only get a 5 year deal especially our GM who offered Lindholm a 7 year contract, Miller, DeBrusk, Horvat etc.. I mean it's not like $8M is an overpayment. If Boeser could only command 7x$7M and we gave him 5x$8M that would make sense to me. But just offering a 5 year term doesn't.

 

[Bleach Clean]

It will still be a cap economy, but locking in multi-year contracts will be more cap efficient as the cap rises. However, you still have to worry about cap efficiency for the tail end of those contracts.

At the end of the day, you have to choose whether you think Boeser is worth the market price even if the market is seeing rapid inflation. I am skeptical that he moves the needle in a major way and the Canucks need someone who does.

Boeser moves the needle in a 'he's a 1st line scorer' kind of way.

Complement or not, that's what he is and those players are very difficult to acquire.

Next, if multi-year contracts will be more cap efficient as the cap rises, why would you have to worry about the tail end of those contracts? If anything, the tail end of those contracts would be relatively attractive in a future cap that is much more inflated than this one.

If we're in a cap economy, then someone will be willing to dump a 1st liner here to replace Boeser's salary. Let's see if that happens.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Boeser's concussion set him back and the team was in disarray. He STILL finished tied for the most points among Canucks forwards despite being "not very good at all save for a brief 5-6 games."

Signing players to contracts that don't age well is the cost of doing business. We offered a soon-to-be 30 year old Lindholm a 7x$7M contract. We're not signing any UFA forward near Boeser's calibre under 30 to anything less than 7 years.

Maybe management has something up their sleeve but if they insist 5 years max for Boeser it's a stupid negotiation. There should be a 7x$7M offer with Debrusk-like trade protections on the table at the very least.

Tying the team's lead in points as a forward this season is not really a good accomplishment, that puts him #127 league wide. If you sign a 50 pts forward that doesn't PK or bring other utility to a 8x8 contract, that is not a good deal.

Just because we offered a 7x7 to Lindholm doesn't mean it's good business to offer 8x8 to Brock. And thank God Lindholm turned us down, otherwise you would be carrying that anchor of a contract for 6 more seasons.

JDB shows that a 50ish points non-PK winger should be getting around 5.5x7. if you want to give an extra 500k for the cap inflation, sure, 6mx7 for Boeser I can live with. But 8x8 is a contract we will regret immediately, and I hate signing contracts that we regret immediately.

 

[RandV]

Boeser moves the needle in a 'he's a 1st line scorer' kind of way.

Complement or not, that's what he is and those players are very difficult to acquire.

Next, if multi-year contracts will be more cap efficient as the cap rises, why would you have to worry about the tail end of those contracts? If anything, the tail end of those contracts would be relatively attractive in a future cap that is much more inflated than this one.

If we're in a cap economy, then someone will be willing to dump a 1st liner here to replace Boeser's salary. Let's see if that happens.

This would be my concern, Boeser walks and the only replacement we can find are downgrades. Not that we should be just paying him what he wants to sign now, but I'm hoping barring a miracle that we somehow get Marner/Ehlers he tests the FA waters see's the Canucks offer was reasonable and circles back.

 

[David71]

What team is going to commit 8x8 to Brock? Serious question, where does he fit to contribute at a high level again?

an eastern team. i feel like its new york... lol or ottawa/washington.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

an eastern team. i feel like its new york... lol or ottawa/washington.

Minnesota has a ton of cap space opening up and the UFA market is dry.

 

[Coffee]

Shit don’t feel the same
When you’re out of town

 

[F A N]

Tying the team's lead in points as a forward this season is not really a good accomplishment, that puts him #127 league wide. If you sign a 50 pts forward that doesn't PK or bring other utility to a 8x8 contract, that is not a good deal.

Sure but the counter argument is that he would have put up more points if he was surrounded by forwards who put up more 60+ points.

Just because we offered a 7x7 to Lindholm doesn't mean it's good business to offer 8x8 to Brock. And thank God Lindholm turned us down, otherwise you would be carrying that anchor of a contract for 6 more seasons.

JDB shows that a 50ish points non-PK winger should be getting around 5.5x7. if you want to give an extra 500k for the cap inflation, sure, 6mx7 for Boeser I can live with. But 8x8 is a contract we will regret immediately, and I hate signing contracts that we regret immediately.

You're kind of missing my point here. I'm not saying offer him 8x$8M. And whether it is a "good deal" is irrelevant to my point which is you can't convince Boeser he's not worth signing for more than 5 years when the team has routinely offered 7 year deals including to older players like Lindholm. I think most of us here would agree that Boeser can get a 7 year deal from some team unlike say a player like Pius Suter who I don't see getting a 7 year deal. As for DeBrusk, I recall most of us thinking that we got a good deal at the time the deal was signed. Plus Boeser has been the more productive player. So no, "cap inflation" doesn't mean it's $6Mx7 for Boeser.

It's kind of like thinking you should be paid within the range of someone in a similar position in your field/market should be paid. Whether everyone else in a similar position is better than you is not something your boss can prove. In Boeser's case, clearly the argument isn't whether Boeser is a 50ish point non-PK winger. Otherwise, why is management offering him $8M AAV?

Again, all I'm saying is that if the Canucks really wanted to re-sign Boeser, there should be a 7 year deal on the table. Like get it done at 7x$7.5M or something.

 

[Grumbler]

If we are not rebuilding definitely keep this player no matter what and don’t be mislead sometimes by his regular season performance. He is by far our best playoff forward.

 

[HairyKneel]

What team is going to commit 8x8 to Brock? Serious question, where does he fit to contribute at a high level again?

A stupid team.

 

[rypper]

What team is going to commit 8x8 to Brock? Serious question, where does he fit to contribute at a high level again?

Vancouver is the only team that can commit 8x8 to Brock.

 

[FilHronek Orchestra]

What team is going to commit 8x8 to Brock? Serious question, where does he fit to contribute at a high level again?

A stupid team.

Vancouver is the only team that can commit 8x8 to Brock.

A stupid team.

Vancouver is the only team that can commit 8x8 to Brock.

A stupid team.

 

[Regal]

Sure but the counter argument is that he would have put up more points if he was surrounded by forwards who put up more 60+ points.



You're kind of missing my point here. I'm not saying offer him 8x$8M. And whether it is a "good deal" is irrelevant to my point which is you can't convince Boeser he's not worth signing for more than 5 years when the team has routinely offered 7 year deals including to older players like Lindholm. I think most of us here would agree that Boeser can get a 7 year deal from some team unlike say a player like Pius Suter who I don't see getting a 7 year deal. As for DeBrusk, I recall most of us thinking that we got a good deal at the time the deal was signed. Plus Boeser has been the more productive player. So no, "cap inflation" doesn't mean it's $6Mx7 for Boeser.

It's kind of like thinking you should be paid within the range of someone in a similar position in your field/market should be paid. Whether everyone else in a similar position is better than you is not something your boss can prove. In Boeser's case, clearly the argument isn't whether Boeser is a 50ish point non-PK winger. Otherwise, why is management offering him $8M AAV?

Again, all I'm saying is that if the Canucks really wanted to re-sign Boeser, there should be a 7 year deal on the table. Like get it done at 7x$7.5M or something.

I think the thought with giving longer term to someone like Lindholm would be that he’s useful in other ways even as his offense falls off. Boeser’s offense falling off basically makes him not an NHLer. There’s also the fact that Lindholm being a center made him a more attractive commodity and the longer term was in part to bring the AAV down. Wingers don’t get paid as much.

Boeser can believe that he should be paid comparable to others, but every player is unique and the Lindholm market doesn’t determine his worth. I agree that if the Canucks wanted to get a deal done before free agency, they would go at least 7 years, but I think they’re also banking on the market not giving Boeser that term and/or it not being an attractive enough offer for Boeser to want to leave and him circling back. I really don’t think he wants to leave so we’ll see what happens.

 

[Icebreakers]

I think Boeser is going to age like Bobby Ryan in Ottawa. Especially if he doesnt play with like a Mackinnon type play driver.

Im expecting 25g-30a = 55p type numbers over the next 2-3 years.

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Hes just not a play driver and doesnt have the separation speed to be a consistent 30-40 goal scorer.