Player Discussion Brock Boeser - Brock Around the Clock

[Bleach Clean]

How is Brock proving people wrong? It's like some of you have Mango's goldfish memory. He's always been streaky like this where he looks elite for 5-6 games and then goes goes MIA for 10-15 games. This season he was MIA for 20 games before the last game. Last season he was more consistent and he will look to get paid based on that season. DeBrusk is similar and that's why we have problems since both of them are almost useless if they don't score.

I want us to keep Brock but you can't pay him over 7mil/season.

It's reasonably assured he will get $8m AAV+ here or elsewhere.

You're right that he's streaky, and he does not provide overt intangibles, but he is a 1st line producer. Over the last 5 years, he's 83rd among all forwards and 21st among right wingers in P/GP.

An underrated aspect of Boeser with Pettersson is that he makes the short pass or play. Reminds me of Kuzmenko. Hoglander does it too, but is not as smart with the puck. These two wingers are the best fits for Pettersson on the roster imo.

Last, the odds they do better with the cap space are slim.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

It's reasonably assured he will get $8m AAV+ here or elsewhere.

You're right that he's streaky, and he does not provide overt intangibles, but he is a 1st line producer. Over the last 5 years, he's 83rd among all forwards and 21st among right wingers in P/GP.

An underrated aspect of Boeser with Pettersson is that he makes the short pass or play. Reminds me of Kuzmenko. Hoglander does it too, but is not as smart with the puck. These two wingers are the best fits for Pettersson on the roster imo.

Last, the odds they do better with the cap space are slim.

If Brock wants $8M a year, he better play like a $8M down the stretch. Otherwise he's definitely gone. I'd like to keep him, his inconsistent play in the regular season IMO has been attenuated by his past playoff performances. I think he's a guy who plays better in warmer weather.

 

[Knight53]

5 goals in 3 games during pivotal times. Big game player. Consistent 30+ goal scorers don’t grow on trees especially ones that are good defensively.

7x8.25

Get it done Allvin.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

5 goals in 3 games during pivotal times. Big game player. Consistent 30+ goal scorers don’t grow on trees especially ones that are good defensively.

7x8.25

Get it done Allvin.

consistent, and consistently inconsistent, 30 goal scorer

 

[PuckMunchkin]

If Brock wants $8M a year, he better play like a $8M down the stretch. Otherwise he's definitely gone. I'd like to keep him, his inconsistent play in the regular season IMO has been attenuated by his past playoff performances. I think he's a guy who plays better in warmer weather.

Im a massive Boeser booster.

But...


People keep saying things like this.

He has two playoff runs. One okay and one point per game. The sample size is tiny. He has 1 where he shot 25%.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I’m still in the camp that wants Boeser back. But I feel like he’s gone at this stage.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Im a massive Boeser booster.

But...


People keep saying things like this.

He has two playoff runs. One okay and one point per game. The sample size is tiny. He has 1 where he shot 25%.

I thought he played well in the bubble. If you as a slower player can habitually play better when the games get faster, it’s a really good sign. Which is why people say and think the bolded.

 

[ExarKun80]

Brock this summer:

 

[me2]

Now this will be hard for the Boeser haters to navigate here...

I look forward to giving Boeser $8mx8 then Hughes leaving as a ufa/ traded when he wrong resign because the team sucks. Otoh he's done his buddy a huge favour, have to admire that. JK or am I...

But seriously he's doing a friend a favour talking him up. Management have to make the smart hockey move not the emotional one. T

 

[GranvilleIsland]

15th overall thread go brrrrrrr

 

[supercanuck]

Without Brock we have 1 legitimate top 6 forward in EP, and another extremely complementary top 6 in Debrusk. (Chytil even if healthy is more 3C IMO, Lekk is still raw.) For all his warts, Brock does have the X factor (sometimes) and even in a very trying season would be pacing close to 30G, 60 Pts. Hopefully they will come together and get a reasonable deal done.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I get that Brock had a great few days here recently, but to sign him to a 5+ years contract at $8m+ based on a 3-4 games sample size is ludicrous to me. I'm glad Boeser is doing well and prove that he can still produce in bursts, but you can't base a long term decision over a few games.

 

[ExarKun80]

Brock is -24 while the next forward with a worse minus is DeBrusk at -14. He is on a hot streak in the last 4 games but the his overall body of work this season has been terrible. Reaching 30 goals(if) as the main trigger man with Hughes feeding him pucks while getting annihilated at ES is not looking good no matter how you spin it. When he is not scorring he is useless since he can't rely on playmaking or defensive play like Skinny does. He worked best with the twins because both were outstading playmakers who complemented his game while also having similar footspeed. The 2017-2018 season is still his best despite scorring 40 last year. It was just him and Horvat and the 37-38 year old twins.

 

[racerjoe]

Brock is -24 while the next forward with a worse minus is DeBrusk at -14. He is on a hot streak in the last 4 games but the his overall body of work this season has been terrible. Reaching 30 goals(if) as the main trigger man with Hughes feeding him pucks while getting annihilated at ES is not looking good no matter how you spin it. When he is not scorring he is useless since he can't rely on playmaking or defensive play like Skinny does. He worked best with the twins because both were outstading playmakers who complemented his game while also having similar footspeed. The 2017-2018 season is still his best despite scorring 40 last year. It was just him and Horvat and the 37-38 year old twins.

I think he has had an up, down, and up season.

He started well, not outstanding, but well, started to pick it up, got a concussion. Slow to get back, and was not good until a few games ago.

I am not against re-signing him at all with the other options out there. It’s more about fit for me.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I get that Brock had a great few days here recently, but to sign him to a 5+ years contract at $8m+ based on a 3-4 games sample size is ludicrous to me. I'm glad Boeser is doing well and prove that he can still produce in bursts, but you can't base a long term decision over a few games.

Its not based on 3-4 game sample size.

He is a first line winger and the cap is going way up.

 

[Regal]

I think he has had an up, down, and up season.

He started well, not outstanding, but well, started to pick it up, got a concussion. Slow to get back, and was not good until a few games ago.

I am not against re-signing him at all with the other options out there. It’s more about fit for me.

I’m on the fence with Boes, but I do think not enough leeway has been given for the concussion potentially causing a lot of his down play. He has his warts but he was playing well before that hit, and maybe he’s starting to feel like himself again. Though his issues with injuries are part of the worry about a contract as well.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Its not based on 3-4 game sample size.

He is a first line winger and the cap is going way up.

I get that is your assessment and we disagree on that, which is fine. My comment is more targeted toward those that was on the "not extend" side before that is now either "on the fence" or "sign him up" based on the recent stretch of games.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I get that is your assessment and we disagree on that, which is fine. My comment is more targeted toward those that was on the "not extend" side before that is now either "on the fence" or "sign him up" based on the recent stretch of games.

I get what you are saying.

Sometimes people have EXTREMELY short memories here.

 

[racerjoe]

I’m on the fence with Boes, but I do think not enough leeway has been given for the concussion potentially causing a lot of his down play. He has his warts but he was playing well before that hit, and maybe he’s starting to feel like himself again. Though his issues with injuries are part of the worry about a contract as well.

For me there is just a lot of moving parts, so I wouldn’t say sign him at all costs, but I would be interested.

bowsers problem is he isn’t a play driver, but he is a first line winger.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Brock is -24 while the next forward with a worse minus is DeBrusk at -14. He is on a hot streak in the last 4 games but the his overall body of work this season has been terrible. Reaching 30 goals(if) as the main trigger man with Hughes feeding him pucks while getting annihilated at ES is not looking good no matter how you spin it. When he is not scorring he is useless since he can't rely on playmaking or defensive play like Skinny does. He worked best with the twins because both were outstading playmakers who complemented his game while also having similar footspeed. The 2017-2018 season is still his best despite scorring 40 last year. It was just him and Horvat and the 37-38 year old twins.

Clayton Keller was a -20 last year. Next worst was Nick Schmaltz with -16. Keller has been a plus player in only 1 of his 8 full seasons. Brock Boeser in 2 of his 8 full seasons.

Jordan Kyrou was -38 in 2022-23. Next worst was Brayden Schenn with -27. This year he leads the team with +17. Last year, Boeser was 4th on the team with +23... When Kyrou was -12.

+/- can only explain so much.

FWIW, Boeser has also outpaced his goal scoring with assists throughout his career 34:31 over 82 games. So he has playmaking to fall back on.

Defensively, he's also underrated. Positionally sound and wins his board battles.

He was also concussed this year, and is without JT, so that explains the current drop.

But hey, if this team can do better for the cap and asset cost, let's see it. I'm for it. I just don't believe they can.

 

[Iron Mike Sharpe]

Everybody saying we are about to see him play his last game as a Canuck. If that's so, goodbye, Brock, despite all of your flaws as a player, it was good while it lasted, and you seemd like a good guy. Good luck with your future endeavors, and I hope that your concussion issues do not substantially interfere with your quality of life post-retirement.

So now what?

If he walks, how is he conceivably going to be replaced? Is there any chance of retaining him without hurting the team's future?

 

[Hoglander]

He isn't a line-driver, but wants to be paid like one. The team needed him to step up his game this year, and despite ample opportunity to do so, he was invisible most of the time- and in a contract year. Slow, injury prone, and rarely plays to his potential... 8+ mil can be better spent. That lack of foot speed is not going to age well, perfect time to move on.

 

[VanJack]

He isn't a line-driver, but wants to be paid like one. The team needed him to step up his game this year, and despite ample opportunity to do so, he was invisible most of the time- and in a contract year. Slow, injury prone, and rarely plays to his potential... 8+ mil can be better spent. That lack of foot speed is not going to age well, perfect time to move on.

Once they become UFA's, players are only in demand for one contract, or two at the most. Thus this is one of the last opportunities Boeser will have to hit a financial home run. So if he lands a contract of $8m for seven or eight seasons, you you just tip your cap to him and his agent.

But big picture, the Canucks need more size, speed and finesse in their forward group. And as others have noted, Boeser really isn't a 'line-driver'. He needs a center to set up with time and space.

Boeser reminds me of a Tyler Tofoli type. He'll undoubtedly score wherever he goes. But it won't be in Vancouver.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Once they become UFA's, players are only in demand for one contract, or two at the most. Thus this is one of the last opportunities Boeser will have to hit a financial home run. So if he lands a contract of $8m for seven or eight seasons, you you just tip your cap to him and his agent.

But big picture, the Canucks need more size, speed and finesse in their forward group. And as others have noted, Boeser really isn't a 'line-driver'. He needs a center to set up with time and space.

Boeser reminds me of a Tyler Tofoli type. He'll undoubtedly score wherever he goes. But it won't be in Vancouver.

He will easily earn the 8 mil contract with the cap exploding from here on out.

 

[StreetHawk]

He will easily earn the 8 mil contract with the cap exploding from here on out.

He was offered 5 years at $8 mill AAV. He is also looking for max term. He is 28 going into UFA. So, a max of 7 years takes him to 35. Might still be able to go continue playing, but very likely at a reduced salary. Plus, years 6 and 7 would be fully guaranteed at 2/3 (buyout) barring him doing something stupid to have the contract voided.

So, even if he landed 7 years at $7.5 mill for $52.5 mill total, that is an extra $12.5 mill for those 2 years, which if straight salary, is an extra $8.35 mill fully guaranteed.

So, he may not get a higher AAV than what Van offered, but he could get 8 figures more of real money in total for those 2 extra years.