Player Discussion Brock Boeser - Brock Around the Clock

[Nucky]

He will easily earn the 8 mil contract with the cap exploding from here on out.

For the first few years, I agree. But this team needs to use the cap space to find a true line driver up front so I'm okay with letting him walk. He's more of a luxury piece imo.

 

[Bleach Clean]

For the first few years, I agree. But this team needs to use the cap space to find a true line driver up front so I'm okay with letting him walk. He's more of a luxury piece imo.

I think the market has shifted from a cap economy to an asset economy. It's more important that you have the asset now than it is the cap space to acquire said asset.

In that regard, letting a 1st line scorer walk is... very ambitious.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

His skating wasn't his strong suit, but rookie Boeser had the ability to accelerate and was very agile in tight quarters. His shot was also lethal in his early years.



It's was really night and day after those injuries in the late 2010's. To his credit, me managed to turn into a very good playmaker and efficient scorer in front of the net.

I think the relationship soured when Miller was traded and the Allvin comments marked the final nail. It's no longer about money at this point.

 

[F A N]

But big picture, the Canucks need more size, speed and finesse in their forward group. And as others have noted, Boeser really isn't a 'line-driver'. He needs a center to set up with time and space.

A 30+ goal scoring "line driver" who is bigger, faster, and has more finesse than Boeser would be an elite power forward in the NHL. Let's go out and acquire one!

Boeser reminds me of a Tyler Tofoli type. He'll undoubtedly score wherever he goes. But it won't be in Vancouver.

Funny you mention Toffoli. A lot of people thought that he wouldn't age well because of his skating but like you said he's kept on scoring. If at the same age as Boeser, Toffoli had signed a 5 year contract he would be finishing out his 5th year and he scored 30 this season.

 

[Breakers]

damn

the difference between rookie Boeser and now

 

[VanJack]

A 30+ goal scoring "line driver" who is bigger, faster, and has more finesse than Boeser would be an elite power forward in the NHL. Let's go out and acquire one!



Funny you mention Toffoli. A lot of people thought that he wouldn't age well because of his skating but like you said he's kept on scoring. If at the same age as Boeser, Toffoli had signed a 5 year contract he would be finishing out his 5th year and he scored 30 this season.

At this point, the Canucks would be better served by a younger, cheaper and faster forward, who maybe scores 15-20 goals, instead of Boeser's 25-30.

There's other places they need to be spending $8m under the salary cap.

 

[Ernie]

I think the market has shifted from a cap economy to an asset economy. It's more important that you have the asset now than it is the cap space to acquire said asset.

In that regard, letting a 1st line scorer walk is... very ambitious.

It will still be a cap economy, but locking in multi-year contracts will be more cap efficient as the cap rises. However, you still have to worry about cap efficiency for the tail end of those contracts.

At the end of the day, you have to choose whether you think Boeser is worth the market price even if the market is seeing rapid inflation. I am skeptical that he moves the needle in a major way and the Canucks need someone who does.

 

[Rejavanated]

Like many others, my primary concern with Boeser is how he will age. His skating ability has never been great which is usually a negative indicator for players after the age of 30.

On the other hand, he's demonstrated a high level of aptitude at using his skill and IQ to generate goals and offense despite his skating ability. This is usually a positive indicator for players after the age of 30 -- imagine he's the next Tyler Toffoli.

If Boeser is adamant he wants more than 5/6 years, then he has to concede on salary and NTC. If he's not willing to concede on either those or term, then I agree with the Canucks in letting him go. Spare me the argument that he needs to maximize his "last big contract." Dude's already earned $40M before he's turmed 30 years old. You'd have to be an absolute fool with your money not to live a life of luxury for decades with that income flow.

The rapidly rising cap is probably not best utilized as an opportunity to invest in aging legacy players IMO.

 

[F A N]

At this point, the Canucks would be better served by a younger, cheaper and faster forward, who maybe scores 15-20 goals, instead of Boeser's 25-30.

There's other places they need to be spending $8m under the salary cap.

You don't think a legit top 6 winger (who can provide 1st line production) is a need? O'Connor can probably put up 15-18 goals if given consistent top 6 minutes (provided we have decent Cs)

 

[VanJack]

You don't think a legit top 6 winger (who can provide 1st line production) is a need? O'Connor can probably put up 15-18 goals if given consistent top 6 minutes (provided we have decent Cs)

Well, the Canucks picked up Kiefer Sherwood on the cheap this off-season. And he has 19 goals on the season.

There's a lot of younger guys who could be had in the $3m range, who could replicate what Sherwood has done. Is it worth paying Boeser $8m for just 10 more goals a season?

 

[Joe Rogan]

Marchessault and Stamkos were both better skaters and better offensively yet both fell off a cliff when not put in optimal scenarios. Post JT trade Boeser and his geriatric skating is what we saw for half a season and he will follow their play next season, and anyone clamoring to sign this player for 8M plus for term has no understanding of hockey or simple budgeting and may be mentally disabled. Swing for Marner or Ehlers or give his spot to Lekkerimaki

 

[Ernie]

I think it's also more about fit. We've seen that Boeser needs a play driver to be effective. So much of his value seems to ride on his 29 goal rookie season with the Sedins and his 40 goal season with JT Miller.

But JT Miller is gone and Boeser has not shown that he can perform with Pettersson. The team will not have the ability to acquire a play driving center if Boeser is slgned, and it would be a risk that he wouldn't work with them anyhow.

 

[Xenomorph]

great asset management... we should have at least got something at the deadline..

 

[Ernie]

great asset management... we should have at least got something at the deadline..

Hindsight is 20:20. I don't think they should sign him but grinding him like they did was just so unnecessary.

 

[StreetHawk]

Hindsight is 20:20. I don't think they should sign him but grinding him like they did was just so unnecessary.

I think they opted to give him a higher aav at $8 mill but countered it with a shorter term.

I think Brock ultimately gets more term, but a little under $8 mill per to offset that in the open market. Basically, he ends up getting that extra 8 figures of in total money for years 6 and 7.

 

[EpochLink]

Brock will at least get 7.5-8 a year but not just here.
He can get that plus the term elsewhere, I'll be shocked if he's back next season.

 

[MikeK]

People always get way too attached to their players and have a hard time letting go. We've all seen enough of him to know he's a 25G scorer and incredibly streaky. I like him and would enjoy having him back, but not at $8M per on a long term deal. That's crazy. The team would be better served placing that cap elsewhere and going younger and quicker. Now if he's coming back around the $6M mark I'd be interested. But that is highly unlikely.

 

[Mudshark50]

What team is going to commit 8x8 to Brock? Serious question, where does he fit to contribute at a high level again?

 

[AzNightmare]

damn

the difference between rookie Boeser and now

Same can be said about EP40 too... lol.

While EP40 had better (and much worse) seasons than his rookie, the way rookie EP seemed to be able to find the back of the net every time he shot like rookie Boeser was just unreal.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

What team is going to commit 8x8 to Brock? Serious question, where does he fit to contribute at a high level again?

With the cap jumping up?

Plenty of teams will have no trouble giving him something like that.

Go look at what is available in UFA this summer. Especially at RW.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Brock Boeser

 

[Rejavanated]

So much of what is wrong with the Canucks current cap structure can still be laid at the feet of Benning. Unpleasant but true.

 

[VanJack]

Interesting watching those Boeser highlights from his rookie season. And it tells me one overwhelming fact of life. The NHL is getting faster and more skilled every season.

And up front, the Canucks desperately need more size and more pace. And that's the challenge when you're contemplating bringing back either Suter or Boeser, or even both.

Neither guy is close to being a speed burner. And they need complimentary players around them who can can provide the speed to get to the middle of the ice.

The challenge of course is that it's a relatively weak UFA market, so these guys are going to get paid. I'm just not sure that the Canucks can bring them back if they really want to change the way they play.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

The back injury f***ed his ceiling. He could have been a perennial 40-50 goal scorer with wheels. Instead, we got an occasional 30-40 goal scorer who could barely skate and had to completely revamp his game.

f*** Jake Virtanen for leaving that door open, among many other things.

 

[rypper]

Someone will sign Brock to 8m-8+ x 7 years plunk him beside a top line center, something the Canucks haven't had since trading Miller, and brock will net 40. Canucks fans will seeth.

Cap is jumping up a ton over the next few seasons, to scoff at 8m for brock, everyone should get prepared for some contracts coming out.