Player Discussion Brock Boeser - Brock Around the Clock
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This. I think a lot of people like Hansen are being a bit unfair. Boeser is asking for $8M because the cap is rising and he's been scoring at a 30+ goal pace and scored 40 goals last season. Again, we signed DeBrusk to a 7x$5.5M deal coming off a 19 goal 40 point season and many of us thought his AAV could have been higher since he scored goals at a better pace in previous seasons and he's relatively young as a UFA.
In terms of making his linemates better, it's a bit subjective. He doesn't cover for a linemate's defensive flaws or drive offense 5 v 5. Boeser is mostly there to score goals so he would add to a teammates' assist totals. I do think he's an underrated playmaker. Back to the DeBrusk comparison, DeBrusk aside from one season typically has has low 20s assists in a good season. You can bet on Boeser typically racking up more assists than that.
Is Boeser worth $8M? Not based on this season. But it seems that the Canucks agree with the $8M AAV evaluation. I got a lock of pushback for saying this previously but if the Canucks and Boeser are to work out contract I see Boeser lowering his AAV ask in exchange for term. We offered Lindholm 7x$7M last summer and Boeser starts his next contract 1+ year younger. I think Boeser is going to get at least that as a UFA. If we want to keep him we need to make a fair contract which some here may not like. That's just reality.
Diablo2020
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Have to resign him
Have to resign him
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I didnt think so either and obviously its slightly tounge in cheek.
But then I watched Anthony Beauvillier get traded for the 64th overall pick in the 2025 entry draft.
After tonight, will we be in a playoff spot again this season at any point in time?
Did these idiots just own rental themselves into 10 calendar days worth of holding a playoff spot?
Am I to be expected to believe Allvin when he said the offers were worthless?
Just watch, Seattle trades Bjorkstrand for two 1sts, "suffers" for 20 NHL regular season games, waits 4 calendar months, signs Nik Ehlers with their 20+ capspace and come back with a better player and two 1sts while we DO circle back to brock like in my OP and settle for a Roslovic overpay instead.
Or Philly with a Laughton trade and Bennett signing.
Utah with a Weber trade and a Marner signing.
Different management group, same Dan Hamhuis situation. And after Allvins comments, probably the same Chris Tanev reaction June 30 too.
Maybe its a Canuck thing.
How players react is all subjective as well. Take the Zadorov talk. I think there's a clear disagreement between the Canucks and Zadorov's camp on how the negotiations went down. Zadorov felt he was disrespected and his agent even told Dhaliwal in late May that he hasn't spoken to the Canucks since before the playoffs. Zadorov later said "There were a couple of moments in teh negotiations that I didn't like, both the way they were conducted and the way the information was presented to me..." Given some of the comments about players that have come out/reported I'm not surprised Zadorov feels this way. I would say that when it works great but when it doesn't it was an unnecessarily risky move.
You then have Rutherford saying they essentially negotiated through Tocchet (which seems improper to me but maybe it happens often?) and gave Zadorov what he wanted but then Zadorov would raise his ask.
In the end Zadorov probably chose to go to Boston because it's in the US but that's what happens. You try and get players signed before every other team has made their decisions on their own free agents and free agent targets. Once a player is close to UFA, there's more incentive to at least hear what other teams are offering.
But based on my recollection of how the reporting came out, I think what happened was that Zadorov's camp had a specific ask which wasn't far apart from what the Canucks were offering and so the Canucks were trying to get other players locked up at their price (and potentially pursue Guentzel) before re-engaging Zadorov. Like we heard that Myers was coming back by the end of May and it was pretty much just putting pen to paper.
Reverend Mayhem
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How is Brock proving people wrong? It's like some of you have Mango's goldfish memory. He's always been streaky like this where he looks elite for 5-6 games and then goes goes MIA for 10-15 games. This season he was MIA for 20 games before the last game. Last season he was more consistent and he will look to get paid based on that season. DeBrusk is similar and that's why we have problems since both of them are almost useless if they don't score.
I want us to keep Brock but you can't pay him over 7mil/season.
I want us to keep Brock but you can't pay him over 7mil/season.
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I would add to this, if the Canucks didn't try and slow play the entire thing they probably could have signed him for less.
We badly miss/ed his presence this season both physically and as a leader. It was those aspects we really needed not just his game, that people like to point out puts him at a number 5 dman throughout his career.
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I don't know. I see him as a regular season 5, but a playoffs 3. If there was one player we let go that I wanted to keep, it was him. Really glad we threw money at Heinen and Desharnais, though. Not.
As always the problem with the playoffs is small sample size.
Maybe you are right. but maybe you are wrong.
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You really think, with the way that the cap is going to rise over the next three years, that $7M will be the going rate for a 30/82 career goal scorer, 65/82 career point producer at age 28?
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I think it was after or during the Nucks game last night they went to the Boston game and Zadorov absolutely blew some poor guy up.........Even if he was only a number 5 he brought that swagger and team toughness that our team really misses.
After having seen what happened to Junior and Hughes this week and our lack of response I really hope we find someone that instills the fear of God into opponents. As Bieksa said there are guys on our team that the other team should not be allowed to touch and if they do someone murders them........too many liberties are being taken against us and it's tough to see. U tend to think some of these issues would not be happening if Big Z were still here.
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the D is pretty set, I believe targeting a rugged forward is probably the way to go. maybe in the end Bennett really is the best fit.... hes not Zadorov, but the guy will step on your achilles the next shift if the coach tells him to.
For sure, the defence no looks set and for a long time with what we have coming through the pipe as well.
just if we were to redo last year... that would have been a mistake.
I also agree Bennett would be a great fit... it just would be tough to not overpay him.
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I'm ok with giving Bennett the money he's going to get this summer as he kind of fits what we need here.........however there are a dozen other teams who are also looking to sign him. I certainly don't think we can count on signing him.
As for team toughness as Tocc says we have to have that wolfpack mentality but I just don't love our response this past week to our guys getting dummied........
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a wolfpack with Wilson, Protas Ovechkin and Roy is going to be more effective than Hughes Lekk Garland and Hog.
Yes. I've talked about this on many occasions here. The price to re-sign Zadorov when we acquired him was pretty well known. The AAV wasn't really a big deal but the term was. We could have signed him before the playoffs for 5x$4.6M (our offer was 4x$4.6M). Then management slow played the whole thing even after the playoffs.
This is one of the frustrating things with this management group. I get it if they came in and needed time to evaluate the roster. I get it if there is a young player you aren't sure about committing to. I have no issues getting a young player to prove himself and be prepared to pay more. I've said this before, we reportedly came up a lot to get the Miller deal done after shopping him around and deciding not to trade him. Horvat wanted Couturier money (which many of us scoffed at) and we offered him something in the $5.5M range only to then give him Couturier money with our last offer. Same with Zadorov.
The way it should go is how things went with M-Petey. You know what it takes to re-sign him before acquiring him and you get him locked up after trading a high first round pick for him.
And with Boeser, I said this before. If the issue was term and the reason was (like many posters here think) is due to the belief that he would decline relatively early then what could a 27/28 year old Boeser have done this season to change the perception? If he scores 40 this season then what? He convinces you that he's less likely to decline in later years of the deal vs if he scores 25? The only way this makes sense is if this is a negotiation tactic where you ultimately sign Boeser for 7-8 years at a lower AAV.
Like a lot of posters, I've badly flip-flopped on whether to bring Boeser back. In the end, I can understand the arguments both 'pro' and 'con'.
But after last night, I'm marginally back in the 'pro' column. Boeser is what he is--a pretty consistent 20-25 goal scorer who needs a top center to get him the puck. But his shot is in the top quartile of NHL shooters.
But it's the intangibles. He's popular in the room and in the community....and desperately wants to stay in VanCity. So overpaying him, as long as it's not too onerous makes sense to me. He raises his game when it's crunch time. That has to be worth some sort of salary bump.
But after last night, I'm marginally back in the 'pro' column. Boeser is what he is--a pretty consistent 20-25 goal scorer who needs a top center to get him the puck. But his shot is in the top quartile of NHL shooters.
But it's the intangibles. He's popular in the room and in the community....and desperately wants to stay in VanCity. So overpaying him, as long as it's not too onerous makes sense to me. He raises his game when it's crunch time. That has to be worth some sort of salary bump.
I agree with all... even the Boeser bit as someone who has said it is apparently a term thing.
I personally at this point don't care a ton about term when we need to win now. Though my bigger question is does Brock fit this current team? He can still score... but we need speed and grit... would love to fit him in, but just wondering if we can make it all work with what we need.
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Well yeah in an ideal world we would replace him with some speed and grit........however we don't live in an ideal world and may have to live with re-signing him knowing that he's not perfect but he can still score goals and replacing him and his production for the slight discount I expect he would give us is not as easy as it seems........I've shit on him a lot lately as he's been ass and I hate how effing slow he is however he's a very well liked goal scorer and good board player (he seems to be one of Hughes closest friends on the team) that wants to be here and will most likely sign at a discount..........
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush is an old saying...............I'll admit these last 2 games went a long way to improving my feelings on him.......which could be a mistake but I'm at least luke warm to the idea of bringing him back now when 3 games ago it was a hard no.......
