Player Discussion Brock Boeser - Brock Around the Clock

[VanJack]

You can never believe everything you see on the NHL rumor-mill. But if Allvin was actually offered a first round draft pick for Boeser and turned it down--then it's an 'epic fail'.

I suppose if they'd dumped Boeser for a future first rounder--it would have sent out a negative signal that the Canucks were giving up on the season. But sometimes you have to take a step back, to take a couple of steps forward.

And it looks like Boeser will be leaving for nothing in the off-season anyway.

 

[me2]

I don’t think that’s the case. If anything, and as we’ve historically seen with every other nhl player in a contract year, he should be playing his ass off to get the big money he feels he deserves.

Teams are now reassessing any intent they had to throw money at him. Instead of it looking like he’d taken the next step, it now looks like last year was an anomaly and he’s actually regressing back to and even below his norm as he gets older and even slower.

Management altos have sold high last year. They have had a few chances to sell high and haven't taken them. The exception was Horvat and they were forced into that one.

 

[krutovsdonut]

"alto"?

Management altos have sold high last year. They have had a few chances to sell high and haven't taken them. The exception was Horvat and they were forced into that one.

"altos"?

 

[andora]

Management altos have sold high last year. They have had a few chances to sell high and haven't taken them. The exception was Horvat and they were forced into that one.

Sold the 40 goal scorer in the middle of a top five season? Seriously

 

[me2]

"alto"?

"altos"?

Could

Sold the 40 goal scorer in the middle of a top five season? Seriously

Off-season not during the season.

 

[andora]

Could

Off-season not during the season.

I would just say the same thing, coming off of that season there's no way they were trading their 40 goal right winger

 

[F A N]

Could

Off-season not during the season.

I would just say the same thing, coming off of that season there's no way they were trading their 40 goal right winger

I would say that management is hired to make these tough decisions. I would agree with @andora that there's no way they are trading their 40 goal right winger (unless they succeed in signing Guentzel), but at the same time it's a winger they can't realistically re-sign given what they are willing to offer. So in the context of being hired to make the tough decisions, management should have traded Boeser in the offseason.

I've said this many times before. If the issue is term, what is management thinking? If Boeser has a good season where he even scores 30+ goals he is getting a 7 year contract from another team. If Boeser has a bad season is management celebrating because he might accept say a 5 year contract? That's certainly creative: Wish for a player to have a bad season so that you can get him signed to the contract you want him to sign?

 

[Canucker]

I would say that management is hired to make these tough decisions. I would agree with @andora that there's no way they are trading their 40 goal right winger (unless they succeed in signing Guentzel), but at the same time it's a winger they can't realistically re-sign given what they are willing to offer. So in the context of being hired to make the tough decisions, management should have traded Boeser in the offseason.

I've said this many times before. If the issue is term, what is management thinking? If Boeser has a good season where he even scores 30+ goals he is getting a 7 year contract from another team. If Boeser has a bad season is management celebrating because he might accept say a 5 year contract? That's certainly creative: Wish for a player to have a bad season so that you can get him signed to the contract you want him to sign?

Boeser will cash in no matter what kind of season he has...the market is thin and the cap has gone up pretty significantly...I get management's hesitance to sign Boeser to a 6-8 year deal, but someone will likely fork it over come July 1st...if that was a bridge too far for them, they really should have just traded him...especially rather than slagging on him publicly. He seems like a pretty popular guy in the dressing room, it can't have gone over too well.

 

[racerjoe]

Boeser will cash in no matter what kind of season he has...the market is thin and the cap has gone up pretty significantly...I get management's hesitance to sign Boeser to a 6-8 year deal, but someone will likely fork it over come July 1st...if that was a bridge too far for them, they really should have just traded him...especially rather than slagging on him publicly. He seems like a pretty popular guy in the dressing room, it can't have gone over too well.

Especially this... I don't get it most of the time... it is a lousy tool to use to motivate if thats the reason.

 

[Canucker]

Especially this... I don't get it most of the time... it is a lousy tool to use to motivate if thats the reason.

Yeah, Boeser is a genuinely good guy...has been a good Canuck for a number of ugly seasons and didn't really deserve to be trashed on by Allvin...I got some of the criticism he levied at Petey for some of the stuff that went on earlier, but it can't be your "go to" tool to try and motivate people...it doesn't typically work and can just drive a wedge between management and the players and/or their agents.

 

[F A N]

Boeser will cash in no matter what kind of season he has...the market is thin and the cap has gone up pretty significantly...I get management's hesitance to sign Boeser to a 6-8 year deal, but someone will likely fork it over come July 1st...if that was a bridge too far for them, they really should have just traded him...especially rather than slagging on him publicly. He seems like a pretty popular guy in the dressing room, it can't have gone over too well.

Exactly. That’s what bugs me. If you aren’t willing to give Boeser more than 5 years then you need to overpay him on the AAV. These negotiations usually come with options. There should be a 7 year deal on the table and you can negotiate on the AAV if that’s what he wants. Otherwise if the approach like some here are like no he’s going to decline no way we are giving him term then you can pretty much bet that Boeser is going to free agency so you trade him for assets that you can use to plug a hole left by Zadorov (another game of chicken where our management lost).

 

[Canucker]

Exactly. That’s what bugs me. If you aren’t willing to give Boeser more than 5 years then you need to overpay him on the AAV. These negotiations usually come with options. There should be a 7 year deal on the table and you can negotiate on the AAV if that’s what he wants. Otherwise if the approach like some here are like no he’s going to decline no way we are giving him term then you can pretty much bet that Boeser is going to free agency so you trade him for assets that you can use to plug a hole left by Zadorov (another game of chicken where our management lost).

Yep...agreed. Management (IMO) has built up a lot of "positive currency" over the past couple seasons, but they are frittering it away this year...I'm not willing to set them adrift just yet, but they sure need to steady this ship going into next season or the natives will get restless.

 

[VanJack]

Brock has basically given the Canucks almost everything they could have ever hoped for after drafting him in 2015. And he wasn't even a particularly high pick at 23rd overall.

He's been a leader in the room; a pillar in the community; and a fairly consistent and reliable scorer with 24-29 goals a season. His limitations have been pretty well chronicled, but the effort level has mostly been there.

And if goes elsewhere on July 1st and some team is willing to overpay--then more power to him. All you can do is thank him for his service to the Canucks; and wish him well.

 

[Wilch]

You can never believe everything you see on the NHL rumor-mill. But if Allvin was actually offered a first round draft pick for Boeser and turned it down--then it's an 'epic fail'.

I suppose if they'd dumped Boeser for a future first rounder--it would have sent out a negative signal that the Canucks were giving up on the season. But sometimes you have to take a step back, to take a couple of steps forward.

And it looks like Boeser will be leaving for nothing in the off-season anyway.

The original rumor was that the Canes offered the first, but also asked for an unnamed high profile prospect in addition to Boeser.

 

[TruGr1t]

Hansen is a pretty hilarious spot analyst, with some good takes: "WTF Brock Boeser wants $8M?! This guy should be happy with DeBrusk money, he just picks up goals off better players!!"

 

[quat]

Boeser has been really struggling and I don't think we should re-sign him unless we get a serious discount.

But I gotta' say, I really hate the way a lot of posters talk about our players. Like they take glee in their struggles or think they're low-lives when they struggle.

Boeser has been ineffective since his concussion. I don't think it's a stretch to say he may return to form as a 30ish goal scorer next season.

I just don't think he's a fit here.

If you have a team with speed and strong puck retrievers but zero finish, he's potentialy a great fit in the Joe Pavelski mold.

I always point to the 2015-2018 Blue Jackets who were a perfect fit for Sam Gagner.

A team like that with a bunch of Jenners an Dubinskys and Hartnell's would be a good team for Boeser.
Or a place where he's a finisher for a puck carrier.

I wonder if there's any chance he signs in Chicago to be Bedard's Toffoli.

Well said.

Maybe toning down the animus towards posters you don't agree with might be a better fit when stating the bolded? It seems odd to mirror the exact behaviour you decry in others. Hating people who hate and all that.

OK, I'll stop.

I think Brock will produce well with a power forward centre, a player the Canucks no longer have on their roster.

 

[lawrence]

He’s on pace for 51 points. That’s no 8 million dollar player. Please brock don’t do this.

 

[supercanuck]

Has nothing to do with anything, but I just saw this and thought it was hilarious. (Probably from during the bubble playoffs?)