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Player Discussion Brock Boeser - Brock Around the Clock

Bubbles said:
Agreed. But in the greatest Canuck tradition, they screw it up. Now his value is a shadow of what he's worth, kept him as a "self-rental" and will watch him leave as a UFA to Minnesota.

The most you can hope is someone pays a 7th for negotiating rights.
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You quoted a post from last year but it proved quite prescient! Should have sold high on him last offseason. Though if they had spent it on Lindholm that would have been a loss.
 
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Hodgy said:
He definitely should have been reasonable and signed earlier. I can only assume that he was demanding to be paid much closer to a 40 goal scorer than the 25-30 goal scorer he typically has been. May have got some pretty bad advice from his agent. And I do feel kind of bad for him as he's been in a terrible spot to succeed on this team this year (both playing low event Tochett hockey and not playing with a dynamic offensive centre). May have Klingberg'd himself, to a degree, here.
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But what would a reasonable deal have looked like if the sticking point is term? A lot of posters here took issue with me saying that I think Boeser would be willing to accept a lower AAV in exchange for term to get the deal done (this was a couple of months ago). Reports seem to suggest that the Canucks and Boeser are in general agreement over the AAV.

This is the thing, if management was unwilling to give Brock a 7-8 year deal then did they think it would change? I mean say he has a good season and scores 35 and 70 points. Does that erase the apprenhension to offer him term? Based on the arguments that have been made here, it shouldn't. What if he has a bad season like right now. Certainly the team wouldn't have an increased willingness to offer him term. This isn't Zadorov's situation where the player played his way to a bigger deal.

So ya this is a head scratcher for me. If you were Brock's agent last summer and you see this management team having signed Miller and DeBrusk for 7 years and offer Lindholm 7 years, would you advise him to accept a 5 year term? What reason would be acceptable?

iFan said:
Boeser is on pace for 55 points in a contract year… no way should we been signing him to a big contract. He’s not worth more than 6 million, no way should we be entertaining 7 or 8 million a year with term. Insane and desperate if we do.
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Ya but until recently, Boeser was the leading Canucks forward in points after Miller left. Would you have said he has been the best Canucks forward this season? Probably not. And Debrusk was coming off a 40 point season and we gave him a 7 year deal.
 
Love the guy - I have his jersey - but we have to cut him loose. Should have dealt him at the deadline but whatever, that's the Canucks for you. He looks right now like the perfect example of a change of scenery player. He looks broken here.
 
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MS said:
For a player of his ability and usage to have an 18-0-1-1 -16 stretch at ES is just absolutely wild. Especially when we're 10-7-1 in those 18 games.

He's basically just seemed to have totally checked out at the point where Miller was traded. At this point, can you justify giving him more than $5 million?
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I still think with all the cap space teams have available this summer, someone will “over pay”.

Likely one of the younger teams who want a vet presence in the Top 6 but don’t need him to be a play driver (because he isn’t).

San Jose? Chicago? Anaheim?

LA also needs RW help.
 
MS said:
For a player of his ability and usage to have an 18-0-1-1 -16 stretch at ES is just absolutely wild. Especially when we're 10-7-1 in those 18 games.

He's basically just seemed to have totally checked out at the point where Miller was traded. At this point, can you justify giving him more than $5 million?
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If he wants to stay investigate the 1 year cheap option if he wants to prove his worth
 
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andora said:
If he wants to stay investigate the 1 year cheap option if he wants to prove his worth
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Yeah, at this point he might be looking at a 1-years 'show-me' sort of deal.

He's going to finish with <45 points in 75 games and a -30. Any thoughts of him getting $8 or $9 million or getting 6-7 years must have sailed at this point.
 
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MS said:
Yeah, at this point he might be looking at a 1-years 'show-me' sort of deal.

He's going to finish with <45 points in 75 games and a -30. Any thoughts of him getting $8 or $9 million or getting 6-7 years must have sailed at this point.
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From this team i sure as hell hope so

I mean what is the difference between him and zucker for a contract thought

Or signing nyqvist

He has played himself into tier 2 free agents
 
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Yeah big Brock fan and wish him the best but there’s no chance I want to commit to this player long term for a high cap hit, line in the sand deal of 6x6 and if he wants a cent more he can walk
 
Just A Bit Outside said:
I still think with all the cap space teams have available this summer, someone will “over pay”.

Likely one of the younger teams who want a vet presence in the Top 6 but don’t need him to be a play driver (because he isn’t).

San Jose? Chicago? Anaheim?

LA also needs RW help.
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i can see him as the vanek to someone else’s rookie pre-clutterbuck boeser
 
- He is one of the worst players at controlled exits
- He is one of the worst players in the neutral zone
- He is one of the worst players at controlled entry’s

Once he is in the offensive zone he is very decent on the cycle and shots assists, and shot metrics.

But do you pay a player who is useless in so many areas of a ice
 
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Breakers said:
- He is one of the worst players at controlled exits
- He is one of the worst players in the neutral zone
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Whaaat does this mean?
Breakers said:
- He is one of the worst players at controlled entry’s

Once he is in the offensive zone he is very decent on the cycle and shots assists, and shot metrics.

But do you pay a player who is useless in so many areas of a ice
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He's really in a funk right now. Low confidence, and seemingly just going through the motions. He's not bringing anything to the team as is. Terrible for an upcoming ufa, he's losing millions by playing like this- and not helping the playoff push at all. I really hope he gets going, he's a much better player than he's been showing.

It's crazy how "off" the go-to forwards have been this season. It's also crazy that they are currently in a playoff position with all that has gone on this season.
 
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andora said:
If he wants to stay investigate the 1 year cheap option if he wants to prove his worth
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ferraro wondered recently on donnie and dhali whether boeser is just one of those guys who gets into his own head in a contract year. i wonder if he might have some privileged information he’s not letting on about here…

anyway, if this is the case then even a one year show me isn’t going to be worth a damn to either party
 
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vadim sharifijanov said:
ferraro wondered recently on donnie and dhali whether boeser is just one of those guys who gets into his own head in a contract year. i wonder if he might have some privileged information he’s not letting on about here…

anyway, if this is the case then even a one year show me isn’t going to be worth a damn to either party
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That isnt a hard thing to speculate on in my opinion

And if he flails again adios
 
Obviously he's been the most adversely effected by the loss of Miller. Not just a top10 C production wise but also an elite producer playmaker from the half court cycle game which was tailer made for BB6.

Been an awful season but also a ton of bad luck.

Miller's slow start then missing a month then the drama and eventual trade that led to dissolution, Concussion that had him looking off for close to a month, EP40 struggling when they tried the 2 of them together after Miller was traded and then missing Hughes for a stretch when he had poor 5v5 companions.

Hopefully it just leads to a short term team friendly contract. The UFA market is awful and it's not like Letterkenny looks like an impact player
 
nuxnux1 said:
Yeah big Brock fan and wish him the best but there’s no chance I want to commit to this player long term for a high cap hit, line in the sand deal of 6x6 and if he wants a cent more he can walk
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Honestly at this point my offer would be 1 year at his current $6.75 for him to try to rebuild his market value. Watching the way he's skating and competing right now, there's no way you can justify any sort of term here.
 
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MS said:
Honestly at this point my offer would be 1 year at his current $6.75 for him to try to rebuild his market value. Watching the way he's skating and competing right now, there's no way you can justify any sort of term here.
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I like this idea. Potentially in his interest too for like you said to rebuild his market value. But at the same time he may find some desperate GM willing to do a long term >$7 million contract. If he cant get that then yeah he may circle back to us for a one year..
 
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M2Beezy said:
I like this idea. Potentially in his interest too for like you said to rebuild his market value. But at the same time he may find some desperate GM willing to do a long term >$7 million contract. If he cant get that then yeah he may circle back to us for a one year..
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It would honestly take some Benning-esque pro scouting (I know his name! He good! Don't know why he bad recently! He be good here again!) to have a team commit 5+ years at $7+ million to him. And that isn't impossible, of course.
 
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