Brisson confirms that EP40 dealt with injury which prevented him from Off-season Training.

[Soups On]

Impact of Patellar Tendinopathy on Player Performance in the National Basketball Association

"The explosive nature of the NBA lends itself to a high prevalence of patellar tendinopathy. The high prevalence, combined with its nature as a chronic injury, results in patellar tendinopathy being the leading cause of games missed in the NBA and the second most common orthopaedic injury seen in the NBA,with up to 32% of players reporting symptoms. RTP and performance after patellar tendinopathy has not been previously defined in the NBA population. Not surprisingly, our results demonstrated that every NBA athlete suffering from patellar tendinopathy returned to play. Although there is a high RTP rate, the injury can cause considerable pain and dysfunction. The mean RTP time in the current study was 60 days, although >45% of players returned in <10 days. In comparison, a retrospective analysis performed by Lang et al on 30 athletes who underwent arthroscopic patellar release to treat patellar tendinopathy reported a mean RTP time of 4 months."

Study on NBA players and patellar tendinopathy. Conclusion states usually decreased workload post 1 year then ramped up again, however, most people recovered statisfactorily within a few months to return to play at the same level

That's the study @I am toxic

Conclusion - Petey is gonna be electric in the playoffs. 100%

 

[Quinning]

People are really quick to forget that Petterson has had a history of disappearing for long periods of time prior to this inexcusable full calendar year disappointment.

He has had moments where all of Green, Bruce and Tocchet have lost patience with him and completely cut his ice time. Multiple times he has been a barely above replacement level player for half of seasons.

I see this as a player evaluation issue for P.A and Rutherford. A player with his consistency issues should not have gotten such a massive contract.

This is nothing new, his second season there was an awful stretch similar to this.

 

[arttk]

This is nothing new, his second season there was an awful stretch similar to this.

Can we stop making up shit here

People are really quick to forget that Petterson has had a history of disappearing for long periods of time prior to this inexcusable full calendar year disappointment.

He has had moments where all of Green, Bruce and Tocchet have lost patience with him and completely cut his ice time. Multiple times he has been a barely above replacement level player for half of seasons.

I see this as a player evaluation issue for P.A and Rutherford. A player with his consistency issues should not have gotten such a massive contract.

The whole team lost patience with Green, let’s not twist that around. BB out of all of them was the most supportive and just fed him ice until he got better.

 

[I am toxic]

That's the study @I am toxic

Conclusion - Petey is gonna be electric in the playoffs. 100%

Thank you for posting that.

The way I read the study, the players with less severe tendinopathy did not go the surgery route, and up to 10 players of 56 were excluded because they did not return to play within a year.

Also, I can't find where it shows that the 46 players played for months with the condition identified but not addressed? For me, this is the crux of the matter.

And finally, I am not clear on why the injured cohort had better outcomes than the control cohort. It seems to be a red flag, but maybe it is explained elsewhere in the study. I just skimmed it briefly, will read in detail later.

Thanks again

PS 'nucks Rangers final, Petey and JT each score 20 goals in the finals and the Conn Smythe goes to . . . Lankinen

 

[Hyzer]

Thank you for posting that.

The way I read the study, the players with less severe tendinopathy did not go the surgery route, and up to 10 players of 56 were excluded because they did not return to play within a year.

Also, I can't find where it shows that the 46 players played for months with the condition identified but not addressed? For me, this is the crux of the matter.

And finally, I am not clear on why the injured cohort had better outcomes than the control cohort. It seems to be a red flag, but maybe it is explained elsewhere in the study. I just skimmed it briefly, will read in detail later.

Thanks again

PS 'nucks Rangers final, Petey and JT each score 20 goals in the finals and the Conn Smythe goes to . . . Lankinen

better outcomes portion, I believe, is probably something like:
newer player enters a harder league with more required conditioning versus highschool/NCAA, so gets tendinopathy due to increased workload, but have a longer and better outcome over the years because they most likely graduate from lesser workload in minor leagues versus increased workload in upper leagues. and if you're skilled enough already to make it in a very limited space, most likely you have the skill set to stay up there.

my 2 cents anyway

 

[racerjoe]

Looks like Hughes is hurt again, but guys let’s not forget, NHL teams don’t play hurt players…

 

[KingRichard]

In Huberdeau's case a lot of it seemed to be related to going from a team that was optimally built for his style

(Barkov to do the heavy lifting, he slows the game down a lot and hits the trailer with his incredible vision but needed others to get him the puck which matched Florida but was a horrible fit for Calgary) to a team that couldn't have fit him less if it tried (uptempo forecheck, less focused on skill plays and outnumbered situations but quick strike offense off the rush).

Nobody is saying Petey is playing well.

But like you don't think there's a reason other than 'Swedish man no care'?

Blaming the victim is embarrassing and also not even accurate.

Like, if the abused wife didn't burn the meatloaf than the abuser wouldn't be in jail, right? Surely it's never the bully's fault.

Oh crazy. I guess I didn't know that you worked at the absolute top of your field and had literal billion dollar organizations devoting their entire resources to discovering how to make it impossible to do your job to the best of your abilities.

So the margins at your job are that thin, eh? Curious, what do you do?

Who Said "swedish man on cure"

Don't put words in people's mouth as defense of your nonsense

It only proves you can't debate and have lost

 

[TraderJim]

People are really quick to forget that Petterson has had a history of disappearing for long periods of time prior to this inexcusable full calendar year disappointment.

He has had moments where all of Green, Bruce and Tocchet have lost patience with him and completely cut his ice time. Multiple times he has been a barely above replacement level player for half of seasons.

I see this as a player evaluation issue for P.A and Rutherford. A player with his consistency issues should not have gotten such a massive contract.

He's been notorious for this and every single time its happened, it has been after an injury. The guy can only play well when everything is going perfectly. The slightest bump in the road and his offensive game completely falls apart. Players need to be able to play injured in the playoffs. That's the sport. He has shown that he is incapable of maintaining a peak level of performance, he needs to be moved before we are stuck with him and his disappearing act.

 

[rypper]

Who Said "swedish man on cure"

Man, I hope he is.

Team is better with Pettersson 100%.

 

[Kryten]

Startling gamelogs by Petey this year

Oct: 9gp, 1g, 3a, 4p, -3, 14s, 0 shotless games, 3 game pointless streak
Nov: 13gp, 6g, 8a, 14p, +5, 29s, 1 shotless game, regular production
Dec: 12gp, 3g, 7a, 10p, -5, 24s. 3 shotless games, 6 game pointless streak
Jan: 11gp, 1g, 4a, 5p, -2, 22s. 3 shotless games, 1 game with 7 shots, 3 game pointless streak
Feb: 8gp, 0g, 2a, 2p, -2, 5s. Stopped shooting, 3 game pointless streak

 

[KingRichard]

Startling gamelogs by Petey this year

Oct: 9gp, 1g, 3a, 4p, -3, 14s, 0 shotless games, 3 game pointless streak
Nov: 13gp, 6g, 8a, 14p, +5, 29s, 1 shotless game, regular production
Dec: 12gp, 3g, 7a, 10p, -5, 24s. 3 shotless games, 6 game pointless streak
Jan: 11gp, 1g, 4a, 5p, -2, 22s. 3 shotless games, 1 game with 7 shots, 3 game pointless streak
Feb: 8gp, 0g, 2a, 2p, -2, 5s. Stopped shooting, 3 game pointless streak

11.6 mil
But he plays good Defense! Little Things Petey

Meanwhile Miller has 11 pts in 9 games
Pulling the Rangers into the playoffs

We don't have anyone who can create other than Quinn who's now hurt
We have no PP as we have no other players who drive play

We traded the wrong player

He's been notorious for this and every single time its happened, it has been after an injury. The guy can only play well when everything is going perfectly. The slightest bump in the road and his offensive game completely falls apart. Players need to be able to play injured in the playoffs. That's the sport. He has shown that he is incapable of maintaining a peak level of performance, he needs to be moved before we are stuck with him and his disappearing act.

As PK Subban said recently when discussing NBA players vs NHL

"there is a difference between hurt and injured. Players have to play through hurting, pain, etc. Injuries are a diff issue" ~ paraphrasing

Seems Petey can't play hurt or when his feelings are hurt

 

[Kryten]

11.6 mil
But he plays good Defense! Little Things Petey

Meanwhile Miller has 11 pts in 9 games
Pulling the Rangers into the playoffs

We don't have anyone who can create other than Quinn who's now hurt
We have no PP as we have no other players who drive play

We traded the wrong player

Theres valid points that Miller burned bridges this year and will most likely be overpaid in a few years. Theres valid points that Petey isnt doing well this year from an injury and that he has the brain of Drouin but with gen z brain rot

 

[Lenny Levino]

I wish I was pressured into a corner with a $12MM signing bonus and a $90MM contract. poor guy

It's easy to say that. But if this was truly the case, why aren't you making $90m? Are you in tip-top shape? Have you reached your full potential in life?

We all sit here and say "if I was playing in the NHL I would be training hard, eating right and be 100% committed". And yet, the vast majority of us are slobs that squander our lives.

You haven't been offered a $90m contract because you haven't put in the work and the effort necessary. And the truth is, if you were offered it now you probably wouldn't change your lifestyle to make good on that contract (whether it's in hockey, business, acting, whatever). Very few people would.

 

[KingRichard]

Theres valid points that Miller burned bridges this year and will most likely be overpaid in a few years. Theres valid points that Petey isnt doing well this year from an injury and that he has the brain of Drouin but with gen z brain rot

he's healthy now, and is doing nothing

the injury excuse is gone

he's weak mentally and physically and has no heart

 

[AzNightmare]

So just hypothetically speaking.
If Tocchet decides to basically healthy scratch him for the rest of the season, or demote to AHL.
Is there anything from NHLPA to protect from such an event from happening or a player can sue? Like management abuse or whatever.
I know money wise, it wouldn't affect his paycheque.

Or is requesting a trade the only thing that would happen? What about next season when he has NMC?


It's crazy and hypothetical, not ideal at all, but just saying, if Canucks could find a cheap C that's more hungry and effective, worst case, is take EP40 out of the lineup until he figures it out? I don't know what's Canucks cap space looks like, but current EP40 is not very hard to upgrade imo.

 

[calnuck]

So just hypothetically speaking.
If Tocchet decides to basically healthy scratch him for the rest of the season, or demote to AHL.
Is there anything from NHLPA to protect from such an event from happening or a player can sue? Like management abuse or whatever.
I know money wise, it wouldn't affect his paycheque.

Or is requesting a trade the only thing that would happen? What about next season when he has NMC?


It's crazy and hypothetical, not ideal at all, but just saying, if Canucks could find a cheap C that's more hungry and effective, worst case, is take EP40 out of the lineup until he figures it out? I don't know what's Canucks cap space looks like, but current EP40 is not very hard to upgrade imo.

It would be cap suicide and would put a black eye on the organization they would likely never recover from for an extremely long time. Pettersson is an NHL player, the idea of sending him down to the AHL is so out of touch with reality that it's not even worth talking about.

Looks like Hughes is hurt again, but guys let’s not forget, NHL teams don’t play hurt players…

I really wish they would just keep Hughes out until he's fully recovered. The potential long term damage this could do can not be understated. Not to mention this teams history with handling injuries has got to be among the leagues worst.

 

[racerjoe]

It would be cap suicide and would put a black eye on the organization they would likely never recover from for an extremely long time. Pettersson is an NHL player, the idea of sending him down to the AHL is so out of touch with reality that it's not even worth talking about.


I really wish they would just keep Hughes out until he's fully recovered. The potential long term damage this could do can not be understated. Not to mention this teams history with handling injuries has got to be among the leagues worst.

I know, just look what happened to Pettersson

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

So just hypothetically speaking.
If Tocchet decides to basically healthy scratch him for the rest of the season, or demote to AHL.

Demotion would need to happen before the end of the year, but at that point if that's what you want to do, you may as well float the idea of EP for a 7th round pick because at least that's something in return instead of losing him on waivers.

Which begs the question, would you take a 7th round pick for Elias? God help us all if yes.

 

[calnuck]

Demotion would need to happen before the end of the year, but at that point if that's what you want to do, you may as well float the idea of EP for a 7th round pick because at least that's something in return instead of losing him on waivers.

Which begs the question, would you take a 7th round pick for Elias? God help us all if yes.

Even the most hardcore of Pettersson haters wouldn't take a 7th rounder. Why is everyone in these Pettersson threads speaking in such hyperbole?

 

[Breakers]

Yeah I’m sure there are a bunch of teams willing to write that $10 million SB this summer.

That eliminates sooo many teams right off the bat as Friedman laid out over half the leagues owners don’t like the capital intensive nature of signing bonuses that large with the way the revenue stream is set up in the NHL

Media rights starts paying out the first Monday of the league year, and stadium revenue combined covers salaries and owners run the business with what’s left

Pettersson’s SB is heavy capital intensive

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Even the most hardcore of Pettersson haters wouldn't take a 7th rounder. Why is everyone in these Pettersson threads speaking in such hyperbole?

I wasn't really expecting anyone to say yes...would do you call those...rhetoricals or hypotheticals? Or both. My English is awful.

 

[calnuck]

I wasn't really expecting anyone to say yes...would do you call those...rhetoricals or hypotheticals? Or both. My English is awful.

Fair enough. These threads have just gotten out of control. Rhetorical would be the correct term

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Fair enough. These threads have just gotten out of control. Rhetorical would be the correct term

I see. thanks. I appreciate you.

I agree the threads have got out of control. I'm frustrated as any re: 40 but it hasn't crossed over to pure hate yet. As long as I haven't crossed over into blind hate I believe I can provide perspective. But that hate is reserved for the most idiotic of the elite, which is a low bar to hit really.

For example, Kevin Bieksa hit that bar for me. But after about December 2010, he kept proving me wrong and kept making me re-consider my own opinion. And everything he's done since then has made me feel like a massive tool. I was wrong about him. I couldn't be happier about that, either. He was a true blue Canuck. Cliche, but say it anyway, great player, even better person. I think his Dad would be proud of that evaluation. God bless ya, Al.

For the record, Bieksa was the guy I'd scream at incessantly right before he scored a big goal. Wasn't often, but it'd happen enough to make me feel like a f***ing giant idiot.

You want a crash course of how stupid I am? I think I was screaming at him right before he scored 5 of these 7 goals.



E: Had to surgery there lmao Only shows 5 goals but I was shouting at him for 4 of them.