Brisson confirms that EP40 dealt with injury which prevented him from Off-season Training.

[Breakers]

Holy crap

this dude is so washed right now

 

[Bobby9]

I know so many of us argue about everything on this board but I think most of us can agree that he should have not went to this tournament.

I don’t think it did anything positive for him and he needs something to go in his favour soon.

 

[Grantham]

He's playing bad, but that is some really crazy deployment by their coach. Ekholm with the second lowest ice time around 10 minutes also. Forsberg barely played either.

Well they won, so I guess there's that.

EP has never done well at these short tournaments, like ever

He needs structure and stability. I don't take this tournament very seriously as any indication of EP.

Yes he's struggling mightily last 12 months, but this is not any barometer that tells us anything constructive

 

[Bobby9]

He's playing bad, but that is some really crazy deployment by their coach. Ekholm with the second lowest ice time around 10 minutes also. Forsberg barely played either.

Well they won, so I guess there's that.

EP has never done well at these short tournaments, like ever

He needs structure and stability. I don't take this tournament very seriously as any indication of EP.

Yes he's struggling mightily last 12 months, but this is not any barometer that tells us anything constructive

It’s gives more evidence to the ‘he needs better wingers’ excuse

 

[PRNuck]

Only 9 minutes of ice time tonight.

And so many times not shooting from spots where we know he’s been automatic from in the past. Get him the hell off the ice and do ALL the surgeries.

 

[sting101]

Absolutely should not have been there.

Cant wait for it to be the teams fault

 

[wetcoast]

It’s gives more evidence to the ‘he needs better wingers’ excuse

It's pretty hard to look good against elite teams with the confidence and condition he is in right now so anyone coming to conclusions is premature.

 

[Bobby9]

It's pretty hard to look good against elite teams with the confidence and condition he is in right now so anyone coming to conclusions is premature.

Ok

 

[BluesyShoes]

Clear as day at the Four Nations level that his fitness, explosiveness, and timing are all off the pace. He knows it, his teammates know it, the coach knows it. He was taking some of the shortest shifts I've ever seen and playing extremely conservatively positionally.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

 

[lawrence]

He had a full power play where everything died on his stick.

 

[maroon 6]

He's playing bad, but that is some really crazy deployment by their coach.

The coach for Sweden is the same coach that Petey had in his dominant 17-18 season in the SHL. I’m sure the coach knows what Petey is capable of, but results matter and Petey was nowhere to be seen.

 

[Diablo2020]

Petey on July 2 after we've attempted to trade him for the 5th time...



Petey at training camp when neither Washington nor Anaheim pony up what we feel is value..



Petey at christmas next year..



Petey an hour after trade deadline..



And finally Petey 3-5 yrs from now probably, hopefully on the Ducks books..

 

[kanucks25]

He needs structure and stability. I don't take this tournament very seriously as any indication of EP.

That's strange you say that, because there are a lot of other people saying "Tocchet's system", which is based on structure and stability, is stifling him.

Almost like the people calling out Tocchet's system literally have no idea what they are watching or talking about and Pettersson's struggles are purely internal.

And by "almost" I really mean "100% exactly".

 

[PuckMunchkin]

That's strange you say that, because there are a lot of other people saying "Tocchet's system", which is based on structure and stability, is stifling him.

Nononono.

Tocchets system is part of the reason for the low counting stats.

The environment doesnt give any player easy points.

Almost like the people calling out Tocchet's system literally have no idea what they are watching or talking about and Pettersson's struggles are purely internal.

And by "almost" I really mean "100% exactly".

 

[kanucks25]

Nononono.

Tocchets system is part of the reason for the low counting stats.

The environment doesnt give any player easy points.

Explain how.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Explain how.

 

[Snauen]

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It not just about points. He played himself out of the Team Sweden line up too, by playing like crap. Give him a couple of weeks of NHL games, if he hasn't come around by then he should be scratched

 

[Breakers]

He had a full power play where everything died on his stick.

That's happening in vancouver the numbers show

he doesnt move

todays NHL triggers on the half wall NEED to be constantly moving
it's called "pulsing" and you need to do it in today's NHL

Miller did it
Mcdavid and draisaitl constantly are

Pettersson just stands there

 

[PuckMunchkin]

It not just about points. He played himself out of the Team Sweden line up too, by playing like crap. Give him a couple of weeks of NHL games, if he hasn't come around by then he should be scratched

Never made that claim.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Ok, so I'll break it down a little...and this is just MY feelings on this....

Environmental - I'm not sure just trading away Miller solves this problem, from what it sounds like the room was kind of split with some players on Miller's side and some against Miller...trading Miller doesn't necessarily mean that its solved all of EP potential problems in the dressing room, or his overall happiness for coming to the rink everyday.

Mental - this is a happiness/confidence thing, I've always felt that EP was an odd bird...not necessarily in a bad way but I don't know if he responds to the style of coaching that Tocchet might bring to the table...he's pretty old school and I'm not sure if EP buys into it. I also think it could also be hard to come back from what could have been a pretty uncomfortable situation with the alleged Miller meltdown, especially if it was in front of all his teammates.

Physical - I'm not disputing that the knee could be a large part of this, but until the team or EP comes out and publicly says that it's a problem, I'm not going to acknowledge it as the reason for his issues.

So, no I'm not sure there is a distinct solution to the problem...I'm not close enough to what is really going on with EP to make that evaluation, and I don't believe anyone else is either...that's why I'm open to management moving him if they feel its best for all parties, they know more than we do...and again, I'd really prefer he returned to form and all of this discussion went away, but I'm not sure it will.

Even the slight chance he will return to form trumps almost any return from a move. The ceiling case remains with Pettersson.

Pettersson already has stated that the knee injury affected his play last year. Brisson confirms. Tocchet acknowledged tendinitis. His speed data tanked after the ASG. Rush chances halved this year Etc... Those are an awful lot of coincidences to refuse it even as a factor...

The team rebounded after Miller was traded. The fun was back. I agree that Tocchet and Pettersson don't mix, but the team was reengaged post Miller trade.

The environment doesn't have to be perfect. Miller vs Horvat/Pettersson has stretched on for 5 years (during Pettersson's 102 point season). He's always been introverted too. They key change is the injury.

 

[Bleach Clean]

That's strange you say that, because there are a lot of other people saying "Tocchet's system", which is based on structure and stability, is stifling him.

Almost like the people calling out Tocchet's system literally have no idea what they are watching or talking about and Pettersson's struggles are purely internal.

And by "almost" I really mean "100% exactly".

Tocchet's system has stifled the entire team's offense, not just Pettersson.

But the entirety of Pettersson's struggles are not due to the system. It just hasn't helped matters.

 

[kanucks25]

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Correlation =/= causation.

If Petey didn't look just as bad playing for Sweden you might have a point.

If Petey didn't play very well for the first half of Tocchet's tenure so far you might have a point.

Our expected goals wouldn't be so low if our star player played up to expectations instead of whatever act he's been pulling for a calendar year now.

 

[Canucker]

Even the slight chance he will return to form trumps almost any return from a move. The ceiling case remains with Pettersson.

Pettersson already has stated that the knee injury affected his play last year. Brisson confirms. Tocchet acknowledged tendinitis. His speed data tanked after the ASG. Rush chances halved this year Etc... Those are an awful lot of coincidences to refuse it even as a factor...

The team rebounded after Miller was traded. The fun was back. I agree that Tocchet and Pettersson don't mix, but the team was reengaged post Miller trade.

The environment doesn't have to be perfect. Miller vs Horvat/Pettersson has stretched on for 5 years (during Pettersson's 102 point season). He's always been introverted too. They key change is the injury.

I'm not refusing the knee as a factor, I just don't know if I believe this will be over with even after another off-season...if this is a chronic issue he may never be the same, and I'm not sure he is resilient enough to be relied upon. If people think he is a "distressed asset" right now, just imagine how distressed he'll be if he hasn't returned to form and has an NMC attached to him and can decide where he goes when he's had enough of the pressure of playing in Vancouver as it's most expensive player. And even so, I'm not flat out saying he needs to be traded, I'm just saying I would be open to it if management decides to do it based on their assessment of this situation.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I'm not refusing the knee as a factor, I just don't know if I believe this will be over with even after another off-season...if this is a chronic issue he may never be the same, and I'm not sure he is resilient enough to be relied upon. If people think he is a "distressed asset" right now, just imagine how distressed he'll be if he hasn't returned to form and has an NMC attached to him and can decide where he goes when he's had enough of the pressure of playing in Vancouver as it's most expensive player. And even so, I'm not flat out saying he needs to be traded, I'm just saying I would be open to it if management decides to do it based on their assessment of this situation.

Management being open to it means they don't understand the bet they're making. If he rebounds, even with low odds, JR/Allvin/Tocchet should all be gone.

Acknowledging the presence of injury is key. If we agree that he is injured, whether or not we disagree on its severity is secondary to the time needed for recovery. He has to be given that window. That goes beyond July 1st, 2025.

We have already passed the time where it would have been optimal to trade him. Now we ride it out.

Correlation =/= causation.

If Petey didn't look just as bad playing for Sweden you might have a point.

If Petey didn't play very well for the first half of Tocchet's tenure so far you might have a point.

Our expected goals wouldn't be so low if our star player played up to expectations instead of whatever act he's been pulling for a calendar year now.

You're confusing "part of the reason" with 'the whole/primary reason'.