Brisson confirms that EP40 dealt with injury which prevented him from Off-season Training.

[Reverend Mayhem]

We all know he had patellar tendinitis, and we know he “trained around it” in the off season. These are the facts, so to speak. But any player with any injury is going to “train around it” (I.e., rehabilitate it during the off season). Pettersson isn’t this super unique situation. Tons of players have to rehabilitate injuries every off season. You just never hear about it because they usually bounce back.

But, he obviously hasn’t bounced back. So, why not? It could be a number of different causes. It could be the quality of his off season training and this could be because of the injury. However, like I said, lots of players rehabilitate during he off season but don’t struggle like Pettersson had.

We also know that Allvin doesn’t think Pettersson trained well enough (or prepared, or whatever) during the off season. And presumably he has access to information we don’t have (I.e., training camp physical results, direct discussion with Petey, etc.).

So, draw what conclusions you want from that.

I’m not Petey but I’ve dislocated my patella a couple times since COVID. It’s f***ing brutal, it feels like you can hardly have any sort of stride for months after since your ligaments are basically being pinched.

If you don’t rehab properly, it will be a recurring problem in your life. And if you don’t eat well, it’ll be a bigger problem earlier. Dude has got to eat his protein and get his man body.

EP has never relied on his speed all that much, so I’m really not concerned about him. It just takes time and patience, but so does anything in life worth fighting for.

No one here myself included want to hear excuses now. It’s put up or shut up time. If he comes back next fall and it’s the same story, I’m happy driving him out then but I still believe in the player. He has tons of potential and it’s only as degenerative as he wants it to be.

 

[racerjoe]

We all know he had patellar tendinitis, and we know he “trained around it” in the off season. These are the facts, so to speak. But any player with any injury is going to “train around it” (I.e., rehabilitate it during the off season). Pettersson isn’t this super unique situation. Tons of players have to rehabilitate injuries every off season. You just never hear about it because they usually bounce back.

But, he obviously hasn’t bounced back. So, why not? It could be a number of different causes. It could be the quality of his off season training and this could be because of the injury. However, like I said, lots of players rehabilitate during he off season but don’t struggle like Pettersson had.

We also know that Allvin doesn’t think Pettersson trained well enough (or prepared, or whatever) during the off season. And presumably he has access to information we don’t have (I.e., training camp physical results, direct discussion with Petey, etc.).

So, draw what conclusions you want from that.

I am willing to have a conversation about whose fault it was for the pour off season training, if Pettersson could have done more, or if management should have done more or anything else. I think it’s fair to say we don’t know who dropped the ball, just as much as anyone trying to say he could not have.

But I will say it clearly was the bad off season training from the injury that caused this.

I would also say there is facts we don’t know about how concerned we should be in the future, like if this is going to be a recurring thing or not.

 

[beachcomber]

If he is injured why is he even participating in the tournament? Why would a head coach have to remind an 11.5 per year player to move his feet more? That is what you tell guys like Dana Murzyn. He looks like Nils Aman has taken his spot on Team Sweden. At 7-8 Million a year he is tolerable but not at 11.5. He'll continue to be a decent 2nd line 60ish pt center but it would be better for all to have it happen on another team. The Americans will smoke him on Monday.

 

[arttk]

If he is injured why is he even participating in the tournament? Why would a head coach have to remind an 11.5 per year player to move his feet more? That is what you tell guys like Dana Murzyn. He looks like Nils Aman has taken his spot on Team Sweden. At 7-8 Million a year he is tolerable but not at 11.5. He'll continue to be a decent 2nd line 60ish pt center but it would be better for all to have it happen on another team. The Americans will smoke him on Monday.

Injury so can’t train in offseason properly. Instead of having, like x pounds of muscle he needs to perform at level, he has .6x.

Even if his injury is over and he can now have 100% output from his body, that doesn’t change the fact he only has .6x of the muscle mass he needs to perform.

 

[archangel2]

As suspected, timeline went something like this :


- Pettersson started getting tendinitis last year
- played through it during 2nd half and playoffs
- he thought the best action was to rest through the summer and not overly train
-came to camp not in the best shape and of course no leg strength from lack of training ( pissed off Miller)
- cant gain that strength training during the season
- unsure if he is still going through tendinitis
- will need a full off-season of training to get back to where he was

OF course his agents says this

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I wasn't talking about me directly...I was talking about people who report on them and the fans they are speaking to through them. Perhaps they don't care about them either? Or, maybe he wasn't lying and he actually thought he had a great summer and his knee was fine...maybe he's just delusional?

He didnt say that.

OF course his agents says this

A lie to... get him a better deal in 8 years?

 

[HockeyWooot]

Not entirely surprising, he looks like someone playing through lingering injury. If it’s not an injury that prevents you from dressing you have to play.

He looks slower and less nimble out there, the NHL Edge data supports his drop off in acceleration and top speed.

More than anything else Petey’s game is not built on speed, strength or athleticism, rather it’s leveraging his massive IQ coupled with agility or shiftiness.

He looks off out there and unable to be effective in the ways that normally makes him successful.

It’s understandable but not a valid excuse when making 11.6m a year. Big money players need to produce full stop, that’s the reality of it.

He’ll need to adapt and make adjustments until knee is back to normal.

 

[kanucks25]

Considering his lack of knee flexion it’s kind of impressive how well he plays defensively. Maybe his positioning just shows how high his hockey iq is?

His excellent defensive game is mostly the product of his elite IQ and stick.

But to me it's clear there's a mental struggle here which allows him to play just fine defensively despite the "injury" yet his play with the puck and in the offensive zone in general has been neutered.

Now good skating is definitely more useful when trying to create offense than when playing in-zone defense. But there's more to it than that.

A couple years ago we saw Draisailtl put up 2 PPG over 16 games in the playoffs with a high ankle sprain that clearly hobbled him. This was a player that was determined to fight through the obstacle and perform, whereas what I see in Petey is a player that has lost all his confidence because he feels like his injury is too debilitating. They are/were both "healthy" enough to play in games, but the results are vastly different.

You can't be a 12M player and totally fall off a cliff when you're "banged up". If you're going to disappear as soon as everything isn't exactly perfect, you're just not that guy. Now I don't blame him for taking the money that was put in front of him, but given how moody we know he is, it's not gonna be a fun time coming to rink for 8 years with the expectations that are on him if his game is going to completely go into the tank regularly (because how often are the conditions going to be just perfect? Rarely, that's real life).

TLDR: (assuming there's nothing serious going on with him in his personal life that nobody knows about) this is a player that likely needs to become more mature and tougher mentally if he wants to take the next step into consistent franchise player territory.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

His excellent defensive game is mostly the product of his elite IQ and stick.

But to me it's clear there's a mental struggle here which allows him to play just fine defensively despite the "injury" yet his play with the puck and in the offensive zone in general has been neutered.

Now good skating is definitely more useful when trying to create offense than when playing in-zone defense. But there's more to it than that.

A couple years ago we saw Draisailtl put up 2 PPG over 16 games in the playoffs with a high ankle sprain that clearly hobbled him. This was a player that was determined to fight through the obstacle and perform, whereas what I see in Petey is a player that has lost all his confidence because he feels like his injury is too debilitating. They are/were both "healthy" enough to play in games, but the results are vastly different.

You can't be a 12M player and totally fall off a cliff when you're "banged up". If you're going to disappear as soon as everything isn't exactly perfect, you're just not that guy. Now I don't blame him for taking the money that was put in front of him, but given how moody we know he is, it's not gonna be a fun time coming to rink for 8 years with the expectations that are on him if his game is going to completely go into the tank regularly (because how often are the conditions going to be just perfect? Rarely, that's real life).

TLDR: (assuming there's nothing serious going on with him in his personal life that nobody knows about) this is a player that likely needs to become more mature and tougher mentally if he wants to take the next step into consistent franchise player territory.

Draisaitl might be the best player ever playing through injury, or the best player we have today playing while stationary.

I doubt it has anything to do with maturity.

 

[kanucks25]

Draisaitl might be the best player ever playing through injury, or the best player we have today playing while stationary.

I doubt it has anything to do with maturity.

Why is not possible for another player to have the stronger mental fortitude required to battle through an injury and perform?

And this is coming from someone who uses literally any excuse possible to skip the gym, so I know I thing or two about weak mental fortitude.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Why is not possible for another player to have the stronger mental fortitude required to battle through an injury and perform?

And this is coming from someone who uses literally any excuse possible to skip the gym, so I know I thing or two about weak mental fortitude.

It doesn't make logical sense.

A weak lazy person won the Swedish championship as the teams leading scorer and made it to the NHL, despite his physical shortcomings.

Does not make any sense to me.



edit. I agree that Draisaitl is mentally tougher playing with broken body parts than EP.

 

[Bobby9]

Big day for EP. Had to play against JT. Will be v interesting to watch.

 

[Diablo2020]

Posted this in response to someone elsewhere figured id post it here too..

Petey and his knee were cooked starting season 1.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

-wrong thread-

 

[beachcomber]

Big day for EP. Had to play against JT. Will be v interesting to watch.

He’ll play the perimeter all game. Make a few defensive plays and call it a night. The Swedish coach put his trust in Petey for some offence and predictably it never happened.

 

[nowhereman]

He’ll play the perimeter all game. Make a few defensive plays and call it a night. The Swedish coach put his trust in Petey for some offence and predictably it never happened.

This game is completely meaningless. So I fully expect Petey to come out flying and notch a few points.

 

[supercanuck]

This game is completely meaningless. So I fully expect Petey to come out flying and notch a few points.

I knew someone would do this but I figure it would at least be after the game.

 

[Deeds26]

This game is completely meaningless. So I fully expect Petey to come out flying and notch a few points.

"Meaningless" to everyone, meaningful to Petey and Miller.

They scrap any chance they get.

 

[nowhereman]

"Meaningless" to everyone, meaningful to Petey and Miller.

They scrap any chance they get.

I mean, I'll believe it when I see it. I can't imagine Pettersson getting a roughing penalty, let alone a fight.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I mean, I'll believe it when I see it. I can't imagine Pettersson getting a roughing penalty, let alone a fight.

Won’t happen, he is not that kind of player.

If Millers happy getting fed by Parayko, let him eat to his stomachs content I say.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Seems like Miller is getting 2nd line mins on USA and EP40 has been moved to the 4th line?

 

[kanucks25]

It doesn't make logical sense.

A weak lazy person won the Swedish championship as the teams leading scorer and made it to the NHL, despite his physical shortcomings.

Does not make any sense to me.



edit. I agree that Draisaitl is mentally tougher playing with broken body parts than EP.

What exactly doesn't make sense?

Yes you need some level of mental toughness to accomplish all that Pettersson has. I'm not downplaying that or saying he isn't capable of reaching his heights again.

But there's a difference between the mental toughness of the ordinary pro athlete and one that performs at a consistent, franchise player level that his contract calls for.

Petey isn't there yet.

 

[NoShowWilly]

Sadly a really poor performance in every game. Not trusted in any situation. Didnt even belong at this tournament.

Hopefully he can recover. Whether it is here or elsewhere.

 

[AzNightmare]

11.6m to not be the go to guy.
Canucks can decide whether they want an expensive 2-3C or trade him. Those are the options now.
Oh right, they also still need to find a 1C now.

 

[Lenny Levino]

Sadly a really poor performance in every game. Not trusted in any situation. Didnt even belong at this tournament.

Hopefully he can recover. Whether it is here or elsewhere.

Only 9 minutes of ice time tonight.