Brind'Amour throws Tulsky under the bus for the Rantanen situation: "And the question is, should we have known that before we attempted to sign him?"

[Blueline Bomber]

It’s the “can’t get them over the top” conundrum.

Cue a lesser coach who may or may not take them over the top, and instantly claim the credit and legacy.

Maurice had the same reputation, until he coached Florida to their Cup win. And unsurprisingly, Rod plays a very similar system to Maurice (which makes sense, given that Maurice was HIS coach when he played)

 

[tarheelhockey]

Are you serious? It's a direct quote straight from Rantanen and Rod. He cited family reasons for not wanting to sign in Carolina.

Brind’Amour was answering a question in an interview, he’s not going to linger over nuances of the word “family” any more than he’s going to linger over nuances of the word “signed”.

It’s quite possible that Rantanen’s girlfriend preferred not to live in Raleigh, but that’s not exactly “family reasons” in the sense of being away from his kids or something.

 

[spockBokk]

I don’t think it’s wrong to say that there is absolutely no way the Canes should have made the original trade without ensuring Rantanen had or was going to be putting pen to paper in the very near future. They based the trade on a chance he was re-signing based off of some incorrect or misunderstood information.

I think the Canes front office does have an air of “we are smarter than you” that can get in the way of logic sometimes. That could also be the Dundon effect too.
That said, I can’t argue with the results since Dundon took over. I’m not a fan of every move they’ve made and I also think that in some cases, like with extending RBA and trying to extend Guentzel, Dundon gets in the way.

As far as the fiasco with Rantanen, I think they recovered about as well as they could have, but I think they shouldn’t have made the trade to begin with. To me, it all depends on what they do this summer with the extra $12-14M in cap they have from not extending Rantanen and what they do with the extra picks.

 

[LaineBOOM]

Is that how you guys shake hands up there in Sweden?

Yes, "hands".

 

[Oilslick941611]

Who cares canes hosed the stars with that stankoven and endless amount of top picks they received.

It’s great if it was Buffalo or Anaheim. Not a good trade for a contender

 

[King In The North]

In the end, I think they're happier with Stankoven than Necas anyway. Not to say that Stank is better, but they've always had a tough time with Necas despite his offensive skills.

 

[Fatass]

I don’t think it’s wrong to say that there is absolutely no way the Canes should have made the original trade without ensuring Rantanen had or was going to be putting pen to paper in the very near future. They based the trade on a chance he was re-signing based off of some incorrect or misunderstood information.

I think the Canes front office does have an air of “we are smarter than you” that can get in the way of logic sometimes. That could also be the Dundon effect too.
That said, I can’t argue with the results since Dundon took over. I’m not a fan of every move they’ve made and I also think that in some cases, like with extending RBA and trying to extend Guentzel, Dundon gets in the way.

As far as the fiasco with Rantanen, I think they recovered about as well as they could have, but I think they shouldn’t have made the trade to begin with. To me, it all depends on what they do this summer with the extra $12-14M in cap they have from not extending Rantanen and what they do with the extra picks.

Marner with the cap space and use the picks at the draft to keep the pipeline of youth coming?

 

[SomeDude]

Makes me think Tlusky is the one who created/edited the wikipage and the unsure birth year was just a ploy so no one would know he's the one who wrote down 'scientist'.

I mean, he is/was a Scientist , though.

 

[spockBokk]

Marner with the cap space and use the picks at the draft to keep the pipeline of youth coming?

I don’t think there’s a snowball’s chance Marner comes to CAR. Now, someone like Ehlers…I think that’s highly possible and the Canes might overpay for someone like him.

Personally, I’d rather they go after Ehlers, Bennett, etc in UFA and use the draft capital and or prospects in a trade package to bring in a high end piece.

A perfect offseason for me would see them get Ehlers, some sort of solution at 2C (Bennett or O’Reilly) and finally bringing in a high end goalie. With the draft picks they got from Dallas, they’d be set up at the deadline to take a swing at another Guentzel/Rantanen piece for the playoffs.

 

[Fatass]

I don’t think there’s a snowball’s chance Marner comes to CAR. Now, someone like Ehlers…I think that’s highly possible and the Canes might overpay for someone like him.

Personally, I’d rather they go after Ehlers, Bennett, etc in UFA and use the draft capital and or prospects in a trade package to bring in a high end piece.

Their direction might be guided by this coming playoffs. Another early exit and …?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Or you do what they did, and pick him up to see the fit and have the chance at a star player, then if that doesn't work out, flip him for more value than you gave up at the deadline.

Let's not be ridiculous here. Canes salvaged this nicely but to suggest they actually got more value than they started with is just flat out wrong.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I mean, he is/was a Scientist , though.

Ok, i get it... YOU're the one who wrote the wiki

 

[spockBokk]

Their direction might be guided by this coming playoffs. Another early exit and …?

I like their chances in the first round if they hold onto 2nd in the Metro and end up playing the Devils. I’d think that’d be a series the Canes are heavily favored to win. If they lost home ice in the first round or if the Blue Jackets overtake the Devils for 3rd, I’m not so sure. I could see the Blue Jackets giving them fits.

Regardless, I think they win the first round series this year and bow out against WSH. However, I think they’d still have a chance there, just not that much of one. If they somehow made it to the finals, FLA or TBL would stomp them and I think CAR vs TOR would be a toss up.

So all that said, I am expecting them to bow out in the 2nd round, which considering all they lost on the offseason and the Rantanen mess, would be a pretty good outcome for what was expected to be a transitional year anyway.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Let's not be ridiculous here. Canes salvaged this nicely but to suggest they actually got more value than they started with is just flat out wrong.

Necas + Drury + 2nd + 4th

for

Hall + Stankoven + two 1sts + two 3rds

That's good value. Reminder that the Canes tried to trade Necas this past off-season and the best offer was two 2nds, or the 4th overall pick if Necas agreed to an 8-year deal. So pulling Stankoven and two 1sts is tremendous value

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Necas + Drury + 2nd + 4th

for

Hall + Stankoven + two 1sts + two 3rds

That's good value

Yeah now consider what year the 1sts are and what it does to your ability to contend this year

I didn't say it was bad value. There's no reason, however, to cope your way into thinking you did better than how you started

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah now consider what year the 1sts are and what it does to your ability to contend this year

I didn't say it was bad value. There's no reason, however, to cope your way into thinking you did better than how you started

Your mistake is believing the Canes intend to contend this year

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Your mistake is believing the Canes intend to contend this year

This is just more coping. It's fine - we can just agree to disagree.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

This is just more coping. It's fine - we can just agree to disagree.

If you're not paying attention, that's on you.

 

[Craig Ludwig]

Why is Necas and Drury for Stankoven and draft capital so bad

Took a risk, didn’t pay off, immediately recognized it- and did their best to correct course.

That is life. Take calculated risks when you can, then make as best decisions as you can with the information you had at the time. Think he did a fine job.

I agree, Necas wanted out of Carolina, getting that return for him might be a bit of a downgrade but still a good deal.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

If you're not paying attention, that's on you.

No, I'm sure your org is super cool with throwing this season away. It never mattered!

 

[Daishi]

When they originally called, he apparently showed some willingness to sign there. He didn’t think they were actually gonna trade for him, thought it was just a scare tactic from Colorado, so he didn’t necessarily explain it fully, and then can obviously say no once he’s actually played for Carolina. That’s my understanding, at least. Carolina got a non-committal “sure, maybe, idk” and thought “yes, he’s in!”

There's an article on Finnish YLE.fi today (I don't know if it's ok to link it here) today, where Rod is quoted saying that immediately after Mikko arrived he said 'there's four teams I can agree to play on and Carolina isn't one of them'.

Then he continued by saying it's not a hockey reason it's a family reason.

Now it's pretty ridiculous here to argue the semantics of the word family. Maybe he's planning to marry and make kids. Maybe the partner/fiancee is already pregnant. Maybe it's the partner's career prospects or whatever. Who the heck cares. He was straight and open and said this doesn't work for his family. Carolina got to recoup some assets.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Yeah now consider what year the 1sts are and what it does to your ability to contend this year

I didn't say it was bad value. There's no reason, however, to cope your way into thinking you did better than how you started

One look at our defense knowing 40 year old Burns is playing top line minutes despite having some of the worst metrics in the league, and Orlov anchoring the 2nd line despite being a turnover machine, is enough to tell you we were very honest about not contending this year knowing that we have Nikishin and Morrow coming in next year. This was always going to be a transition year. Even when we traded for Rantanen, it was always about being able to sign him long term, which when we did our due diligence before the trade, we were told he was interested in doing that.

There is no way we can anticipate an agent or player lying like that. You have to take them for their word. To hear that he came in and immediately said he won't sign here and then played like absolute dogshit while here, very much causing issues in the locker room, they did about as well as they could to get out from under it.

And at the end of the day, its likely we sold high on Necas and bought low on Stankoven. Is Necas the better player, probably, but he was a terrible fit here, and we ended up with a guy who fits the style we want to play. And then we ended up with 2 1st rounders and a fully bought in Taylor Hall as well. Things could have ended up much worse for us.

Oh, and after all this news comes out, if I'm Dallas, I'm worried that Rantanen will become a petulant child and locker room issue if things aren't always golden. Given what happened in Carolina, you know he's the kind of guy who needs his ass kissed 24/7 or he's going to bring the locker room down with him. And now he's extended 8 years at $12m.

There's an article on Finnish YLE.fi today (I don't know if it's ok to link it here) today, where Rod is quoted saying that immediately after Mikko arrived he said 'there's four teams I can agree to play on and Carolina isn't one of them'.

Then he continued by saying it's not a hockey reason it's a family reason.

Now it's pretty ridiculous here to argue the semantics of the word family. Maybe he's planning to marry and make kids. Maybe the partner/fiancee is already pregnant. Maybe it's the partner's career prospects or whatever. Who the heck cares. He was straight and open and said this doesn't work for his family. Carolina got to recoup some assets.

His girlfriend hated Raleigh. It really is that deep, especially when Rantanen mentions her by name as part of the reason they liked Dallas before his first game there.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

No, I'm sure your org is super cool with throwing this season away. It never mattered!

The organization realizes you can't go "all in" every year. They attempted to last year, because they knew they'd lose a lot of long-term Hurricanes this past off-season. This session, Burns and Orlov's contracts are ending. Next season, the "next wave" of prospects are expected to make the team, and they'll begin their push again.

In addition, the Canes have basically played .500 hockey since November. No one expects this team to go far. Again, if you've not been paying attention, that's on you.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

The organization realizes you can't go "all in" every year. They attempted to last year, because they knew they'd lose a lot of long-term Hurricanes this past off-season. This session, Burns and Orlov's contracts are ending. Next season, the "next wave" of prospects are expected to make the team, and they'll begin their push again.

In addition, the Canes have basically played .500 hockey since November. No one expects this team to go far. Again, if you've not been paying attention, that's on you.

As long as you can convince yourself of it, I guess

 

[Blueline Bomber]

As long as you can convince yourself of it, I guess

As long as you're content to mire yourself in ignorance, I guess