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Brind'Amour throws Tulsky under the bus for the Rantanen situation: "And the question is, should we have known that before we attempted to sign him?"

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Hint1k said:
It is funny that incompetent coach complaining about the incompetence of the GM who keeps him employed.

Oh mate, your first clue should have been: "why I am still the coach after multiple failures in playoffs?"
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What makes him a bad coach in your opinion? (Besides losing in the playoffs, which isn’t always an outcome reflective of coaching)
 
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The Grinder said:
For me the situation is kinda like “do I want to go to Fred’s house three Saturday's from now?” Someone asks me that I go “yea maybe, I gotta see what I got going on but il probably let you know” Feigning interest not to be rude but I have no intention of going to Fred’s house. Fred’s house is weird, kinda small and smells like old malted 40 bottles and skittles (cause of the candles).

When the time comes to confirm whether I will be going to Fred’s, I got say “Nah man not really, I can think of at least 4 other places I’d rather be.”

It’s kinda like that. Now if Fred bought extra boneless chicken wings and that wine he knows I like to drink, that’s on him. I never confirmed my attendance.
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it's more like your boss asks how you'd feel about being transferred to mogadishu and you say sure thing because you think it's a tactic to have you back off on seeking a big raise. and then you get transferred to mogadishu. it's your fault but you can quit.
 
Carolina did an excellent job handling this calculated risk with time-constraint and all. I think there are very few GMs in the league who would have been able to pull it off. Tulsky should be lauded here. Nobody would bat an eye if that return was for Necas. It blows my mind they are catching flack for this. Tulsky isn't one of the old boys so... I wonder how much of this is just a media campaign by the old boys network who feel like all the NHL gigs should belong to them and their boys, Carolina doesn't seem like part of that circle under their ownership. But that's their vision and they're following through. Just from the perspective how Tulsky handled this...there's no issue.

I understand there's a sense of deflation given that the team is probably worse right now. But they'll have a shot in offseason to re-structure with the assets they have gained. And besides, from what I've read the Dundon mentality is probably more along lines that they do not place too much value on internal locker-room sentiment (which I somewhat disagree with, but from what I've read that's my suspicion) and probably view the whole thing more from the perspective of asset-management than any "we have to go for it THIS year" sentimentality. I think from that perspective, that "we have to go for it" sentimentality would be viewed as needlessly irrational within their management structure, coaches however are understandably prone to and have to be very emotionally involved on a day to day basis.
 
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The worst part of all of this is how long it took Rantanen to work out a deal with Dallas. If Carolina had a couple extra hours to flip the first-round picks for some immediate help, this whole situation doesn't look half as bad.

I think value wise they did pretty good considering the context.
 
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If this is true then what an idiotic move to wait to the final minute to allow Dallas have contract talks with him and miss out on everything else

Well done!

slobbergob said:
The worst part of all of this is how long it took Rantanen to work out a deal with Dallas. If Carolina had a couple extra hours to flip the first-round picks for some immediate help, this whole situation doesn't look half as bad.

I think value wise they did pretty good considering the context.
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It didn’t take long, they got the permission late thursday and got it done on friday

We are talking about a 96M contract here, it’s going to take more than an hour to get done from the 1st moment you are allowed to talk money with the owner

Carolina has nobody but themselves to blame for this getting too late

Carolina and Carolina media have done nothing but trash a player who didn’t ask to get traded and didn’t ask to get traded to Carolina nor decide to sign a contract with Carolina and then change his mind.

Just shut up already and move on
 
Blueline Bomber said:
We’ll see how Mikko plays in Dallas before we call him a tier above. Playing with MacKinnon and Makar will boost anyone’s offensive production.

And believe me, I wish the Canes gave Guenztel what he wanted as well. Dundon’s need to be the “winner” of every deal bit him in the ass that time.
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Like playing with Crosby was a bad thing? Or now Kucherov
 
Hint1k said:
It is funny that incompetent coach complaining about the incompetence of the GM who keeps him employed.

Oh mate, your first clue should have been: "why I am still the coach after multiple failures in playoffs?"
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I dunno man, from my angle his mid roster competes every year with great consistency.

32 teams, hard to win a cup, if there are problems in Carolina i don't think he's it.
 
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Blueline Bomber said:
We’ll see how Mikko plays in Dallas before we call him a tier above. Playing with MacKinnon and Makar will boost anyone’s offensive production.

And believe me, I wish the Canes gave Guenztel what he wanted as well. Dundon’s need to be the “winner” of every deal bit him in the ass that time.
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Stop pushing this fake narrative that Mikko is a product of Nate. If you actually looked at the stats you'd see he produced better without Nate than Nate ever did without Rants. They've played on different lines and Nate has been injured plenty. Have a look. Thank me later.
 
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Nogatco Rd said:
What makes him a bad coach in your opinion? (Besides losing in the playoffs, which isn’t always an outcome reflective of coaching)
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Because to average fan there are no good coaches. You are only good as long as you a) don't coach their team; b) overachieve year after year (which inevitably can only last for so long but Trotz is not a bad example of that).
 
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TheDawnOfANewTage said:
Yo, I hope this f***edry happens more often. It’s hilarious, good work incompetent GMs!

My favorite part is how if it were all kept in-house and rumors didn’t start/leak, it really wouldn’t be awful imo. I see how it happens, mistakes were made, but it seems Rantanen wasn’t actually as certain on signing as Carolina thought he was. You can do a number of things with that- trying to trade for Marner, Boeser, and then in-fighting is just the best choice possible.
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Wasn't actually as certain? Like... there's no hazy degrees of certainty here. Rantanen was absolutely certain from the start he won't stay in Carolina. He was man enough to straight up tell the coach he won't play there, and said the reason is his family. Of course it affected his play that both the player and the coach knew day 1 the relationship will last about two weeks. Carolina absolutely either got scammed by Colorado or then the GM is just a naive rookie who didn't do his due dilligence.
 
Daishi said:
Wasn't actually as certain? Like... there's no hazy degrees of certainty here. Rantanen was absolutely certain from the start he won't stay in Carolina. He was man enough to straight up tell the coach he won't play there, and said the reason is his family. Of course it affected his play that both the player and the coach knew day 1 the relationship will last about two weeks. Carolina absolutely either got scammed by Colorado or then the GM is just a naive rookie who didn't do his due dilligence.
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When they originally called, he apparently showed some willingness to sign there. He didn’t think they were actually gonna trade for him, thought it was just a scare tactic from Colorado, so he didn’t necessarily explain it fully, and then can obviously say no once he’s actually played for Carolina. That’s my understanding, at least. Carolina got a non-committal “sure, maybe, idk” and thought “yes, he’s in!”
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
Why is Necas and Drury for Stankoven and draft capital so bad

Took a risk, didn’t pay off, immediately recognized it- and did their best to correct course.

That is life. Take calculated risks when you can, then make as best decisions as you can with the information you had at the time. Think he did a fine job.
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For a team who’s been trying to win the Cup and go all in for a few years, it’s a terrible outcome. They need to win now before their window of contention ends. They lost Necas and failed to do anything with either Rantanen or Guentzel.
 
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Alexander the Gr8 said:
For a team who’s been trying to win the Cup and go all in for a few years, it’s a terrible outcome. They need to win now before their window of contention ends. They lost Necas and failed to do anything with either Rantanen or Guentzel.
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Yup. And the coach, a former Cup winning player, doesn’t think about next year. He knows his club has less chance now, because of bad management, to win the Cup this season.
 
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Blueline Bomber said:
See above. The Avalanche prevented Carolina from talking to Rantanen, thus, no contract talks were had.
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Well then you accept that he's just a pure rental or you add an asset to talk to the agent and arrange a contract prior to pulling the trigger on a deal. Or you don't make the trade period.
 
surixon said:
Well then you accept that he's just a pure rental or you add an asset to talk to the agent and arrange a contract prior to pulling the trigger on a deal. Or you don't make the trade period.
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Or you do what they did, and pick him up to see the fit and have the chance at a star player, then if that doesn't work out, flip him for more value than you gave up at the deadline.
 
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BB88 said:
If this is true then what an idiotic move to wait to the final minute to allow Dallas have contract talks with him and miss out on everything else

Well done!



It didn’t take long, they got the permission late thursday and got it done on friday

We are talking about a 96M contract here, it’s going to take more than an hour to get done from the 1st moment you are allowed to talk money with the owner

Carolina has nobody but themselves to blame for this getting too late

Carolina and Carolina media have done nothing but trash a player who didn’t ask to get traded and didn’t ask to get traded to Carolina nor decide to sign a contract with Carolina and then change his mind.

Just shut up already and move on
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You know, lots of players are traded to places they didn’t ask to get traded to. Lots of players play their very best despite that.
 
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Blueline Bomber said:
HF is funny. A coach coaches a team to three consecutive 50+ win seasons (and possibly four this year) and six consecutive playoff appearances with at least one series win, and there are those who wonder why he’s not fired yet.
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It’s the “can’t get them over the top” conundrum.

Cue a lesser coach who may or may not take them over the top, and instantly claim the credit and legacy.
 
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