NyQuil
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If you really want to win Stanley Cups, you take Jean-Guy Talbot.
Brian Leetch Or Scott Niedermayer?
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If you really want to win Stanley Cups, you take Jean-Guy Talbot.
HugeInTheShire
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It shouldn't be that hard to understand Niedermayer won at every level he ever played at. He always found a way to win. Leetch is probably the better player though.
You can go on and on about a passenger on Cup winners and being one of the best players on Cup winners like they're the same thing but..... they aren't.
Without disclosing age of the voters this is a flawed poll. How many of the table pounders here are over 50 and actually had something close to an adult's perception when they watched them?
Neidermayer was an excellent dmen, but he's a tier behind Leetch. They would have been an amazing pair if one of them was right handed.
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Leetch..
Niedermayer was a bit better defensively but Leetch was a lot better offensively and was relied upon without anyone else like a Stevens or Pronger in his defense core.
Are you calling me old?
Niedermayer was a bit better defensively but Leetch was a lot better offensively and was relied upon without anyone else like a Stevens or Pronger in his defense core.
Are you calling me old?
NyQuil
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The law of averages says there has to be a guy like that out there on a team-based sport.
I don't buy your causal relationship.
The idea that there was something inherent in Brian Leetch's game that prevented him from winning additional Cups, unlike Scott Niedermayer, is silly.
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Scott Niedermayer
Won World Junior Gold Medal
Won the Memorial Cup (Most Valuable Player as well)
Won World Championship
Won Olympic Gold twice
Won World Cup of Hockey
Won the Stanley Cup 4 times
Triple Gold Club member.
Probably a coincidence
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For those of you who have not watched these two in their prime, it's like saying Erik Karlsson vs Drew Doughty. Take your pick.
Niedermayer. He was one of those type of defenseman that could eat up huge minutes and you might not notice him much - that’s always a good thing. A lot of what he did best didn’t show up on the scoresheet. Later on in his career, he added near-elite offensive production to his repertoire, on top of what already made him great.
Leech was a dynamic offensive defenseman. It’s flashy and impressive and exciting, but just not as effective at the position at the end of the day. A modern day equivalent would be a guy like Evan Bouchard - he might win a Norris eventually, maybe even a couple because of his incredible scoring, but I’ll never consider him the best overall defenseman, unless he seriously changes the way he plays the game or adds facets that he doesn’t currently have. And I say that as an Oilers fan.
Leech was a dynamic offensive defenseman. It’s flashy and impressive and exciting, but just not as effective at the position at the end of the day. A modern day equivalent would be a guy like Evan Bouchard - he might win a Norris eventually, maybe even a couple because of his incredible scoring, but I’ll never consider him the best overall defenseman, unless he seriously changes the way he plays the game or adds facets that he doesn’t currently have. And I say that as an Oilers fan.
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That poster is like 13 years old, he’s never seen Leetch.
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Well there’s a pretty strong chance that half of those wouldn’t be there if he had been born in Texas.
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I dunno about that, I would say Leetch is a lot better defensively than Karlsson when he put it together after his first few years. In fact the place where Leetch lacks in comparison to Karlsson is his finish, and I think a ton of that would be closed if he got to use today's sticks.
Niedermayer gets a bit of the Toews treatment backlash, and is probably underrated on HF, but I think the world of Brian Leetch, to me he has as good a case as anyone to be the defenseman of the nineties and he would be so incredibly valuable if he played today the way top defensemen are expected to activate... Makar who?
HugeInTheShire
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Ya and if Leetch played goal, he wouldn’t have been as good. I listed straight up facts, you’ll hide behind anything to not have to admit Niedermayer was good. No idea why, but it’s clear that you are.
You now say it’s only because he was born in Canada that he was good, a lot of players didn’t make those teams, yet he did.
He was just a product of being lucky enough to be born here in Canada, then just happened to be lucky enough to make the team Canada roster, then he was just another scrub playing in the shadow of Stevens and Pronger.
I’d be willing to bet you think Brodeur was simply a product of a system rather than good too.
NyQuil
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Scott Niedermayer is a fine player but holding team-based accomplishments over another player, particularly those that are restricted by nationality, isn't helping your case. Otherwise, Anze Kopitar is going to have a hard time against virtually any Team Canada centre in the last 20 years.
I just don't buy this "if you want to win, pick Scott Niedermayer" argument that you keep peddling. Leetch is the superior player who played on worse teams for the most part. The implication by your statement that he somehow "can't win" as well as Niedermayer is a poor one.
If you want to start a "Scott Niedermayer won a lot of stuff" thread, I'm more than happy to support it.
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Not to mention Leetch captained a Team USA that actually did beat Canada (including Niedermayer) in a best on best and was the Conn Smythe winner when the Rangers won the Cup so.. not buying the Niedermayer is more of a winner line..
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BraveCanadian
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Likely.. for a lot of the kids on hfboards now 2000 was apparently the stone ages where NHL players were still plumbers and whatever.
Then again, you may be a little biased too based on your name lol.
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Leetch. He didn‘t have half the support Niedermayer did for most of his career, but still manages to top him in Norris trophies and all star selections. Niedermayer is a beast too though.
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I think it's close, but Leetch most certainly had the better peak, I don't see how you can argue otherwise imo.
