Brian Burke says 07 Ducks could've beaten any of the Cup winning teams since them

[KingsHockey24]

2012 Kings run was arguably the most dominant of All-Time.

3-0 lead to start every series, 16-4 record, 1.41 GAA.

 

[Kimota]

Completely agree. I think the cup has been easier and easier to get every year since then. Although I'm not sure about the 2010 Hawks or Kings 2012.

Ducks around the time where designed for the long game, they were perfect for what needed to be done to win at the time. Which were hard fought marathons. I remember around that time especially in the West, there were actual brawls in the playoffs. That team would destroy any softies that exist right now.

 

[Kimota]

I'll make one bigger than that : The 1977 Montreal Canadiens would've beaten any cup winner in NHL history in no more than 5 games. Adjusted for era I mean, whatever that means.

True. But I would have loved to have seen them compete against the New York Islanders in their prime with Bossy and Trottier and so forth. Two heavy skilled team with a good defensive structure.

 

[Kimota]

He's not wrong.

They were one of the best teams post lockout and were extremely well built.

I think they'd have trouble against the 2013 Blackhawks, 20112 Kings (they were unstoppable) and maybe 2008 DRW. 2010 Blackhawks (insane depth) and 2011 Bruins (Thomas was unreal that year) I'd also consider.

Having seen the Bruins all year, they were a well organised team but nothing special offensively and the East was pretty weak when they went to the finals. They went against a Canucks team that were destroyed physicially and mentaly cause around that time the West in the playoffs were literally wars on ice. It was always easier for the East. And you had to be an all-star groups in the West to win cups. And that is why the Hawks and Kings multiple wins were so amazing. And showed how deep they were. Hell just winning one was a feat.

 

[CartographerNo611]

Comparing different years is difficult because the league changes over time. 07 Anaheim and 08 Detroit were absolutely dominant compared to their peers, but i would put up 16 Pittsburgh against them confidently. In addition to their high level of skill they were so much faster than everyone else that they've caused a shift in the way the league plays. Nowadays the pens are barely a top 5 fastest team let alone by a huge margin like in 2016. I'm not sure 07 and 08 cup winners would've been able to handle that speed and it also depends on how the game would be officiated.

Gotta agree, really depends on which league discipline office shows up that puts either team over the hump. Current office, Pronger would be suspended 80% of the games which gives the Pens a slight edge. 07 0ffice Malkin would be in the box a lot taking retaliation penalties from Prongers whack a foot and Crosby would of been concussed from those elbows. Not too mention glass man Letang having to deal with young Penner, Getzlaf, and Perry that could skate and bang. Its like having 3 really skilled Tom Wilsons coming at you while having another 3 Wilsons on the 3rd and 4th lines that can skate. Pens are not built for that type of game.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

2012 Kings run was arguably the most dominant of All-Time.

3-0 lead to start every series, 16-4 record, 1.41 GAA.

92 Pens reeled off a record 11 playoff wins in a row, and they did it without Lemieux in the Rangers series.

No way in hell what the Kings did was more dominant. That Pens team was an absolute machine that couldn’t lose.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Meanwhile the 07 ducks team beat the the 08 Wings team in 07.

No, they did not. This is just a bad take that has already been rejected at least twice so far in this thread.

 

[Nasti]

absolutely ridiculous

if they were so good why did they only win one cup? why didn't they even get back to the conference finals?

one year wonder and arguably the worst cup winning team

Came to say this. They were so good, they lost in round 1 the following year and never really got close again. Very overrated team on HF basically because they had two HOF defensemen.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

2012 Kings run was arguably the most dominant of All-Time.

3-0 lead to start every series, 16-4 record, 1.41 GAA.

That is impressive. Did not realize they dominated the opening of series that much.

 

[winnipegger]

That 2012 Kings team would beat them, that team was a nightmare. Opened first two games of every series on the road and won ALL of them.

 

[SotasicA]

Burke is probably right. But the 07 Ducks would have lost to several teams from before 2007.

 

[Dicky113]

Tim Thomas

 

[Lupul1990]

Came to say this. They were so good, they lost in round 1 the following year and never really got close again. Very overrated team on HF basically because they had two HOF defensemen.

Well, the team was different in 2007/08. First of all, Penner got a big offer sheet from the Oilers, way more than he was worth, and he left. Niedermayer and Selanne retired after the Cup win and Burke signed old Schneider and old Bertuzzi to replace them, but it was a bad move. Then both Niedermayer and Selanne decided to come back from retirement in December and February, respectively. However their comeback meant that the Ducks had to clear additional cap space because of the cap tagging rule, so they traded Andy McDonald (who was slumping without Selanne) for old Doug Weight. Also Ilya Bryzgalov was waived in November.

The Ducks at the time didn't have anyone to replace Penner, while Schneider, Bertuzzi and Weight were way worse than Niedermayer, Selanne and McDonald from the 2006/07 season. Bryzgalov was replaced by Hiller later in the season and he eventually became Ducks starter after a few years.

Long story short, they ran into cap troubles (like most cup winners did), which forced Burke to make 3 moves that made the team worse + Penner left.

You could say that everything went right for the Ducks in 2006/07 and everything went wrong for them in 2007/08. There were a lot of teams in the history that were great, but a couple bad bounces or injuries prevented them from winning the Cup.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

It's impossible to say for sure, but they definitely are one of the strongest of all time and would give any team a go.

 

[Stevonidas]

Umm Rob Nieds was not an amazing stay at home D..... far from it.

Don't you actually have to BE a defenseman...? ROB Niedermayer was a defensive forward (center) and never played defense to my recollection.

 

[SirKillalot]

2012 Kings run was arguably the most dominant of All-Time.

Not really. Yes, they won the games. But, not really dominant in the same way Canada dominated the Olympics. There is a reason the Kings teams aren't seen as the best compared to others. Besides the Devils-match-up, don't really feel they dominated other teams, but won many low-scoring games. That being said, worthy winners the years they won. Their statistics is a bit flawed.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Not really. Yes, they won the games. But, not really dominant in the same way Canada dominated the Olympics. There is a reason the Kings teams aren't seen as the best compared to others. Besides the Devils-match-up, don't really feel they dominated other teams, but won many low-scoring games. That being said, worthy winners the years they won. Their statistics is a bit flawed.

Uhh if anything the Devils series was the closest as it was the only opponent that took us to 6 games. We steam rolled just about everyone else. Beating the President's Trophy Winners in 5, Sweeping the Blues, and beating Phoenix in 5. And why are you bringing up the Olympics? We're talking Stanley Cup Playoffs here bud.

 

[LMFAO]

If the game is officiated in 2007 ? Yes
If the gane is officiated in 2018 ? No

 

[Paul4587]

Don't you actually have to BE a defenseman...? ROB Niedermayer was a defensive forward (center) and never played defense to my recollection.

Exactly haha. By the time he was in Anaheim he was a checking RWer. He never played D in his career.

 

[GordieHowsUrBreath]

Having seen the Bruins all year, they were a well organised team but nothing special offensively and the East was pretty weak when they went to the finals. They went against a Canucks team that were destroyed physicially and mentaly cause around that time the West in the playoffs were literally wars on ice. It was always easier for the East. And you had to be an all-star groups in the West to win cups. And that is why the Hawks and Kings multiple wins were so amazing. And showed how deep they were. Hell just winning one was a feat.

oh brother this "west is best" mentality lasted for like 15 years, thank god the pens finally put an end to that delusion

 

[GordieHowsUrBreath]

to be remembered as an all time great team, at the very least you have to get back to the final within 2 years of you winning it

this team didn't even come close, if they were so great they would've gotten back

most overrated team ever and it seems as time goes by they get even "better" in the minds of their fans

 

[ktulu98]

I mean that Pahlsson line was monstrous too.

Moen - Pahlsson - Niedermayer

Everyone is forgetting this line...They we're able to shut down any line in league and they were so effective that they were as important to the team as Scotty or Prongs.

 

[bert]

No, they did not. This is just a bad take that has already been rejected at least twice so far in this thread.

Pretty similar teams so the ridiculous comment that the Ducks werent close to the 08 Wings team is false. Pretty obvious just need deductive reasoning.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Pretty similar teams so the ridiculous comment that the Ducks werent close to the 08 Wings team is false. Pretty obvious just need deductive reasoning.

It may be incorrect to say they "weren't close" to the 2008 Red Wings, but it is equally laughable to say the 2007 Red Wings were basically the 2008 Red Wings, if not moreso. The 2008 team was a completely different monster from either the 2007 or 2009 teams that the Ducks faced. The team was dominant in virtually every facet of the game and the stats reflect it. The 2007 team wasn't there (and the injuries on defense which forced guys like Lebda and Lilja to play way too much didn't help), and the 2009 team was too run and gun a lot of the time and didn't lock games down nearly to the extent the 2008 team did.

If you want to argue it, argue it with the facts.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Came to say this. They were so good, they lost in round 1 the following year and never really got close again. Very overrated team on HF basically because they had two HOF defensemen.

In 2008 playoffs
Perry missed some games with injury.
R. Niedermayer missed some games with injury.
Pahlsson wasn't the same after sports hernia surgery.
No longer had a 2nd line quality center with McDonald gone.

In 2009 they beat the President Trophy winning Sharks in 6 games and took the Red Wings to 7 games without Ducks having a 2nd line quality center. Then after that we no longer had Pronger.

Just because the Ducks didn't win again or even reach the finals doesn't mean the 2007 Championship team is overrated especially when you consider how much change happened so quickly.