Value of: Brett Pesce

[LABound]

As much as I like Ekblad, his injury history and that 7.5 Million dollar contract are too big a risk at this point

I hear you but 7.5 is locked in he will easily be worth that this season if he stays healthy


Position of need. He plays with Morgan and Pesce covers for Jake.

Any player , injury or not is one play away , Ekblad was strong last year and played the full schedule .

Nylander will get 7 mil per spend that money where it's needed not on offence from another forward.

If the Leafs are bold these two feasible trades fix 2 of the 3 biggest holes without weakening the team and save money against the cap when it's time to sign Mitch and Auston .

7.5 is decent value when you see what guys like Shattenkirk and others are signing for now.

It will look like a bargain when you win a cup this year and probually a couple more over the length of the contract .

 

[LABound]

Not a single one of those pieces fills a need for us. I disagree with you on the value they hold as well but even without considering that you’re not offering the canes anything they want. Defensive prospects and middle six wingers simply aren’t a need.

Liljegren isn’t a Finn, btw, and sharing nationalities with a player we already have wouldn’t raise his value anyway.

Nationalities aside .....it does add but no need to even explain it.

Kapanen is not worth his trade position right now?late First?

Liljgren is not a mid 1rst?

Hyman can't get a single 2nd?

Kapanen can be top six just as easily as who is flanking Aho now I'm a Blackhawks fan it's possible.

Hamilton and Faulk can just play... it complicated things with 3 of them on the right .

You have McKeown Fox -others who can fill the 3rd pair.

You know the canes better than I do.. Value is fine you have brought up nothing to dispute that.

The fit maybe isent there ..but your not contending this year long term it helps in my opinion .

Hyman-Staal- Williams would be one hell of a match up line ....one of the best in the league .

I'm just making a proposal on what I see as an improvement considering both teams needs as I see them and a long term trajectory.

I'm not privy to what they want perhaps you can give us the inside track.

 

[Stickpucker]

Kapanen -Liljgeren- Hyman- Pick-+

Pesce- Ferland

Canes want a hockey trade to compete now. They don't want futures and they dont want D. They also dont need RW with TT, Svech, and Williams. The only slightly attractive piece in that deal is Kappy for nepotism sake.

Kappy for TVR.

 

[Scott Stevens]

I like Pesce but seriously man, come on.
Slavin is a top pairing defenceman...Pesce is just his partner. That’s like SJ fans claiming that Braun is a top pairing dman because he played with Vlasic the last couple of years.
The only legitimate way to call a player a top pairing defenceman is if he is top pair defenceman no matter who he’s playing with. Pesce is not that.
On a side note, every time I see a Leafs thread...there you are talking trash about our guys. Kinda pathetic, bro!

Not even leafs fans can keep up to all leafs threads, so it’s obvioisly quite an exaggeration to say I’m in all of them. And I only am critical of one. I think Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Reilly, Kadri, even old man Marleau are wonderful players. Oh yeah, I’m not that high on Kapanen either. But that’s it.

 

[BAM]

The bonus here is that Pesce's cap hit probably allows us to extend Gardiner, giving us a pretty decent top 3...keeping Nylander at 6.5 probably means good bye Gardiner.

Tbh I'd rather move on from Gardiner for a cheaper alternative in Liljegren. I can see him being all that Gardiner is offensively minus the brain farts, save 6 million right there

 

[LABound]

Canes want a hockey trade to compete now. They don't want futures and they dont want D. They also dont need RW with TT, Svech, and Williams. The only slightly attractive piece in that deal is Kappy for nepotism sake.

Kappy for TVR.

Brainfart Liljgren is Swedish my apologies .

They will still compete they are not a threat and won't be for a season or 2 at most I picked them to have the biggest improvement on here months ago .

Kapanen is better on LW as is Hyman I considered that when I proposed it.

 

[Znith]

Tbh I'd rather move on from Gardiner for a cheaper alternative in Liljegren. I can see him being all that Gardiner is offensively minus the brain farts, save 6 million right there

Dermott will be better than Gardiner one day
Left hand shot - he is the Gardiner replacement in the future years

Liljegren needs 1-2 more years in the AHL

 

[BAM]

Dermott will be better than Gardiner one day
Left hand shot - he is the Gardiner replacement in the future years

Liljegren needs 1-2 more years in the AHL

Liljegren will most likely be in the NHL this time next year, he'll have spent 2 years in the AHL with this year being the top d-man and he looked great in preseason this year.

 

[LABound]

Tbh I'd rather move on from Gardiner for a cheaper alternative in Liljegren. I can see him being all that Gardiner is offensively minus the brain farts, save 6 million right there

Gardiner with Pesce is a different animal he probually leads the league in +/- and puts up 60 PTS he takes way to much heat he is risk reward and right now he doesn't have a partner that allows him to play to his strengths.

It's no different than a creative winger or center not having a partner to use his strengths -------Marner is a great example look what happened when you got him away from Bozak and JVR.

 

[BAM]

Gardiner with Pesce is a different animal he probually leads the league in +/- and puts up 60 PTS he takes way to much heat he is risk reward and right now he doesn't have a partner that allows him to play to his strengths.

It's no different than a creative winger or center not having a partner to use his strengths -------Marner is a great example look what happened when you got him away from Bozak and JVR.

He put up 52 last year with Zaitsev, he doesn't need Pesce to help him. Rielly would be best served with Pesce because he's our 1D playing with a bottom pairing Hainsey, at least Gardiner has another top 4 guy on his pairing in Zaitsev.

 

[LABound]

He put up 52 last year with Zaitsev, he doesn't need Pesce to help him. Rielly would be best served with Pesce because he's our 1D playing with a bottom pairing Hainsey, at least Gardiner has another top 4 guy on his pairing in Zaitsev.

Zaitsev is not an ideal partner for his skill set Dermot and Zaitsev fit way better Gardiner needs a defensive defence partner Zaitsev is more two-way . Ekblad will be Reilly's partner Gardiner with Pesce on the second pair.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Tbh I'd rather move on from Gardiner for a cheaper alternative in Liljegren. I can see him being all that Gardiner is offensively minus the brain farts, save 6 million right there

Gardiner and Liljegren play different sides. You would have made a better point if you used Dermott as replacement for Gardiner. He's two years ahead and even him I'm not sure if he'd be ready to assume Gardiner's role next season. If we have that strong top 3 in Rielly, Pesce, and Gardiner that allows us to ease in and shelter Dermott, Liljegren, and Sandin. Add Zaitsev and Ozhiganov to the mix, and our d is looking good now and in the long run. Perhaps Gardiner is traded a year or two into his contract, if others are truly ready to displace him, though I expect his contract to come with a ntc.

 

[bluedevil58]

Pesce, Foegele/Necas/Ferland, 2019 2nd

For

Marner, Nylander.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If I'm the Whalers I hold on to Pesce. Even if he's on your 2nd pairing with that cap hit that is incredible defensive depth. They're also rolling right now why shake things up?

Whalers. How cute.

 

[LABound]

Leafs- Out/ C/RW Nylander- LW/RW Kapanen
RD Liljgren -LW Hyman - RD Zaitsev RD Ozhiganov LD/RD Hainsey 1rst RD 2nd Rd + another meaniful
piece

Leafs In/ RD Top Pairing Ekblad
RD 2nd Pairing Pesce
LW/RW Ferland

Reilly - Ekblad
Gardiner-Pesce
Dermot-X .

Plan Parade

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Leafs- Out/ C/RW Nylander- LW/RW Kapanen
RD Liljgren -LW Hyman - RD Zaitsev RD Ozhiganov LD/RD Hainsey 1rst RD 2nd Rd + another meaniful
piece

Leafs In/ RD Top Pairing Ekblad
RD 2nd Pairing Pesce
LW/RW Ferland

Reilly - Ekblad
Gardiner-Pesce
Dermot-X .

Plan Parade

So:

do you just spew stuff out without any regards to other teams? I mean if that's how this works, then I have some great proposals.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

So:

do you just spew stuff out without any regards to other teams? I mean if that's how this works, then I have some great proposals.

Plan the parade.

 

[Brock Anton]

I’m still down with moving Pesce for Nylander. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to lose Pesce, but Nylander can help take the offense to another level.

 

[LABound]

So:

do you just spew stuff out without any regards to other teams? I mean if that's how this works, then I have some great proposals.

le


Just read the explanation it shows how it helps your team now and in the future
Pesce is playing 16 min a night on the third Pairing

it improves your offence , your depth your checking line
communication on the first line

Kapanen Aho Teouvo
Hyman- Staal- Williams
Foegle -Necas /Rask -Svetchnikov
Any combination of 4th line chemistry

Slavin-Hamilton/Faulk
De Haan-Faulk/Hamilton
Fluery- TVR/McKeown
Etc....

You can honestly tell me this is not a more competitive lineup maximizing minutes and skill sets?

 

[LABound]

Plan the parade.

This is just one line vitriol no need to take it personal .....you can have a look to and see how your teams needs are considered moving forward

I left the non roster adds out and you still look miles better.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yes. I'd rather have Ferland than Hyman. And I'd rather have Pesce than Kapanen. So I can "honestly" tell you the team would be better with that.

 

[bluedevil58]

le


Just read the explanation it shows how it helps your team now and in the future
Pesce is playing 16 min a night on the third Pairing

it improves your offence , your depth your checking line
communication on the first line

Kapanen Aho Teouvo
Hyman- Staal- Williams
Foegle -Necas /Rask -Svetchnikov
Any combination of 4th line chemistry

Slavin-Hamilton/Faulk
De Haan-Faulk/Hamilton
Fluery- TVR/McKeown
Etc....

You can honestly tell me this is not a more competitive lineup maximizing minutes and skill sets?

Kapanen on the 1st line?!!

Hyman [MOD]?

The lines are way worse here as is the defense.

 

[LABound]

So:

do you just spew stuff out without any regards to other teams? I mean if that's how this works, then I have some great proposals.

I'd love to see one

 

[Brock Anton]

le


Just read the explanation it shows how it helps your team now and in the future
Pesce is playing 16 min a night on the third Pairing

it improves your offence , your depth your checking line
communication on the first line

Kapanen Aho Teouvo
Hyman- Staal- Williams
Foegle -Necas /Rask -Svetchnikov
Any combination of 4th line chemistry

Slavin-Hamilton/Faulk
De Haan-Faulk/Hamilton
Fluery- TVR/McKeown
Etc....

You can honestly tell me this is not a more competitive lineup maximizing minutes and skill sets?

It’s not. Ferland is fitting in just fine with Aho and TT. Kapanen ain’t gonna be an upgrade there, Nylander? Sure, but not Kapanen.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

This is just one line vitriol no need to take it personal .....you can have a look to and see how your teams needs are considered moving forward

I left the non roster adds out and you still look miles better.

You have some funny ideas if you think anything you’ve proposed in this thread makes the canes better.

You’ve already been told that all the pieces aren’t desirable to the canes and your response is to post the same proposal again and say “plan the parade”.