Kent Nilsson
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Value of: Brett Pesce
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Cane mutiny
Ahoy_Aho
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Leafs would probably do better to look elsewhere for a Nylander - defenseman trade. Pesce's a good young defender on a great contract, which will be important to CAR as they have to start paying all their young forwards. Also the biggest need for CAR is to aquire a proven center. No need to sacrifice on defence for another winger right now. Also not sure Hamilton will be as long term as Pesce.
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Ahoy_Aho
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Not exactly what I meant
... Losing Pesce to a trade, and then Dougie, would deplete our defence too much, even with young Fox coming in. Too expensive for a winger.Is Carolina willing to pay Nylander though? Pesces contract will be a major boon if acquired by the Leafs, its less than Kadri lol
Fogelhund
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Agreed, there would be no deal to be made, until there is a contract complete. No matter which team Toronto is dealing with, Nylander's value is currently undertermined.
Nylander at $6.5 vs. Nylander at $8.5 have completely different values... though I'm guessing it's going to end up being more like 2-3 years at $4.5-5 million at this point.
It does seem, as though some of those Leafs fans, that at one point would come to any thread, and shout, Leafs will never trade Nylander, have gone silent.
I really don't think the Leafs are underpaying Nylander in their contract negotiations. But for sure, other teams don't want to a parachute in an overpaid UFA. It is not possible that Carolina would overpay for Nylander when next year they have Aho and Teravainen up for their RFA contracts. Other teams have upcoming RFAs to be signed and I betcha those clubs are secretly supporting to the Leafs that Nylander should get paid the "going rate", which might be 6.5m long term.
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To answer the original question: More than even the Canes understand. Slavin and Hamilton get the attention, but I have gone on record before as saying Pesce will be their equal by the end of the season. He has started to show serious offensive skills--a good shot and excellent puck-handling. He is already defensively better than Hamilton and very close to Slavin.
The bottom line is if Pesce is traded, the other team will win the trade (especially given his great contract).
The bottom line is if Pesce is traded, the other team will win the trade (especially given his great contract).
RogerRoger
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Boom Boom Apathy
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Defensively he is. Not even close offensively though.
Sounds like this value deal of pesce was just a way to include Nylander
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Pesce at his current level of play, upward trajectory, and insanely team friendly contract make him an incredibly valuable asset. Same with Slavin. Canes have their top pair locked up for 6 years (7 in the case of Slavin) for less than $10 mil AAV. To get either of those guys out of Carolina it would take a 'Can't say No' type of offer.
wintersej
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I think that 6.5 might be a tad low given the cap went up so much, but your main thrust that Carolina won't set any new ceilings for RFAs when they have Aho (who is better than Nylander) and TT up is very spot on.
Create a Brett Pesce thread for Leafs fans to discuss whether or not a 23 year old, mobile 6'3" top-4 RHD signed for the next 6 years at $4 million per year would be a suitable return for their winger that won't sign. Gee, I wonder if this absolutely ideal return for the Leafs short-term, mid-term, and long-term needs would be enough or if Carolina should add more.
some of us would, its not close to unanimous either way. Sounds like a fair deal then.
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tarheelhockey
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Personally I'd do Nylander for Pesce as a hockey trade, but I'm not sure the logistical concerns (= unsigned contract) can be worked out to make it happen in the real world.
A huge factor in all of this is how Martin Necas develops at center. He has struggled so far, and it's appealing to imagine moving him to the wing with Nylander coming in as the pivot. But if Necas gets comfortable in the middle of the ice, all of a sudden we have Aho-Staal-Necas and the idea of trading for Nylander gets a lot more complicated.
A huge factor in all of this is how Martin Necas develops at center. He has struggled so far, and it's appealing to imagine moving him to the wing with Nylander coming in as the pivot. But if Necas gets comfortable in the middle of the ice, all of a sudden we have Aho-Staal-Necas and the idea of trading for Nylander gets a lot more complicated.
Cardiac Jerks
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Any deal for Pesce where Kapanen is the main piece doesnt even get off the ground.
RogerRoger
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You don't trade one of the best young dman in the league because you want to upgrade the third line center spot with a winger.
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If kapanen is the piece leafs want to part with we can do Faulk for Kap + pick. Pesce for Nylander would really sting, id rather keep him, but still i think it would be fair.
tarheelhockey
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That’s not exactly the dynamic here. We’ve got Aho who’s a flexible C/W, Staal who’s a checking 2C, and Necas who is theoretically a C but looks like he should be at wing. That’s messy. Aho-Nylander-Staal is simple.
Also, saying Nylander’s simply a winger is like saying Aho’s Simply a winger.
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Maybe I missed it, but I don't think any Leaf fans are expecting to get Pesce for Kapanen. We'd be lucky to get Faulk for Kap +
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CheMxDawG
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Aho looks comfortable at 1/2C, Staal is in midseason form, Wallmark is anchoring the 4th line well, and Necas is still trying to find his game but looks like he can play a good 200ft game.
Our lineup down the middle looks fine right now, I wouldn't trade Pesce for Nylamder at this point without a sweetener coming from Toronto.
We don't even know what Nylander will be at, too many unanswered questions at this time to warrant moving one of our 3 high end right defensemen.
Our lineup down the middle looks fine right now, I wouldn't trade Pesce for Nylamder at this point without a sweetener coming from Toronto.
We don't even know what Nylander will be at, too many unanswered questions at this time to warrant moving one of our 3 high end right defensemen.
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