Brett Favre a Top 5 QB Ever?

[93LEAFS]

Old timers like tittle, jurgenson, Namath need a mention as does Aikman who has 3 rings

Bart Starr probably deserves a mention to.

I have a hard time seeing Farve in the top 5. Great player and a great gunslinger.

 

[Voight]

Tier I:
Montana - Best combination of leadership, clutch plays, and toughness.
Elway - Prototype QB who could beat you running as well as passing.
Brady - Most accomplished QB ever.
Manning - Most innovative QB ever.
Favre - Could make throws other QBs would never attempt.

Tier II:
Rodgers - Solid player, just not as great as the five above.
Marino - Never won the big one, which holds him back just enough.
Unitas - Suffers from playing in a more run-heavy era.
Young - Great mobility and arm, just didn't beat the Cowboys enough.
Mahomes - Tier I talent, just doesn't have the longevity yet.

Honorable Mention:
Tarkenton - If he only could win one out of the four...
Kelly - ditto
Aikman - Managed not to screw up with ultra-talented supporting cast.

Aikman is the most overrated QB in history. Give him the same career minus the championships in a city like Phoenix and he is borderline HOF IMO. He gets hyped because of the talent around him and the resulting championships as well as playing for the Boys.

Elway I would not put in the top 5.

I can't see it.

Brady, Manning, and Montana (although I never saw Joe play) seem to be the obvious top tier.

I think the current Packers QB is better than Favre, and based on what I've seen, I'd definitely put Mahomes in the top 5.

So, I guess my list is:

Brady
Manning
Montana
Rodgers
Mahomes

Too early for Mahomes to be in the top 5. Could very well be there when he retires but putting him there now is jumping the gun.

 

[GKJ]

I don’t think Aikman is overrated at all, I think people understand the role he played, and the game was played much differently in that time. And other QB’s were better then too, but everyone who was is in the hall of fame with him. If he played in a generation later, he’d be on the level that Eli and Flacco are.

 

[Mike C]

Bart Starr probably deserves a mention to.

I have a hard time seeing Farve in the top 5. Great player and a great gunslinger.

I agree on both

 

[Hasbro]

Aikman is the most overrated QB in history. Give him the same career minus the championships in a city like Phoenix and he is borderline HOF IMO. He gets hyped because of the talent around him and the resulting championships as well as playing for the Boys.

He's underrated because statwhackers lose all context and ignore playoff performance.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Top 5? Mine's a little different:
1) Moon
2) Flutie
3) Allen
4) Lancaster
5) Calvillo

How could you put Moon but not Jeff Garcia? CFL champ, 4x pro bowler, over 45k yards passing.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Does Rodgers postseason losses the past few years hurt his legacy at all?

He still has 4 MVP's and a SB MVP. Putting guys like Marino & Elway above him would be tough.

Give Marino the rosters Aaron has had all these years and he has more than 1 ring.

 

[EpochLink]

Bart Starr probably deserves a mention to.

I have a hard time seeing Farve in the top 5. Great player and a great gunslinger.

If we are talking about top 5 gunslingers of all time:

Favre, Marino, Fouts, Roethlisberger, Elway.

Favre is definitely number 1.

 

[93LEAFS]

If we are talking about top 5 gunslingers of all time:

Favre, Marino, Fouts, Roethlisberger, Elway.

Favre is definitely number 1.

I'd probably put Stabler in there.

 

[Voight]

Does Rodgers postseason losses the past few years hurt his legacy at all?

He still has 4 MVP's and a SB MVP. Putting guys like Marino & Elway above him would be tough.

I don't hold them against him. Yea, this year he didn't play very well (neither did special teams...) but he's done his part when it comes to the playoffs. Never mind that they fired McCarthy 3 years too late and while the team has done solid drafting, they rarely make major signings or trades so the roster cpould, in theory, be "more talented"

I don't see a case for Marino or Elway to be ranked above him.

 

[EpochLink]

Does Rodgers postseason losses the past few years hurt his legacy at all?

He still has 4 MVP's and a SB MVP. Putting guys like Marino & Elway above him would be tough.

I would rank Rodgers above Marino

 

[WeaponOfChoice]

How could you put Moon but not Jeff Garcia? CFL champ, 4x pro bowler, over 45k yards passing.

He played for the Detroit though.

Plus they beat the Cats in 98 and I'm still not over it.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Aikman is the most overrated QB in history. Give him the same career minus the championships in a city like Phoenix and he is borderline HOF IMO. He gets hyped because of the talent around him and the resulting championships as well as playing for the Boys.

Elway I would not put in the top 5.



Too early for Mahomes to be in the top 5. Could very well be there when he retires but putting him there now is jumping the gun.

The conversation can at least be had if he's top 5. Though I admit it may be too early.

Another SB MVP and he's definitely top 5 imo. But I'm biased so idk.

 

[Babe Ruth]

People are sleeping on Otto Graham

Agreed.. and Sammy Baugh. Both were dominant QBs in their eras.

To the original post, I don't consider Favre a top 5 guy. Probably top 10..

 

[keonsbitterness]

I'd probably put Stabler in there.

I didn't think of him as a gunslinger. He never had a strong arm so he had to rely on finesse and timing. After the Super Bowl year, he really only had one, maybe two good seasons.

 

[Voight]

The conversation can at least be had if he's top 5. Though I admit it may be too early.

Another SB MVP and he's definitely top 5 imo. But I'm biased so idk.

Not really. He basically has the same accomplishments Terrell Davis has.

Its a lot more than a lot of guys have accomplishment but still too early for the top 5 discussions.

 

[Eco]

Vick not nearly in all time great conversation.

He said 'most exciting'. Not GOAT.

If we are speaking on just entertainment value, I'm not sure many QB's can compare to the electric of Mike Vick.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Brady is number one due to accomplishments. But Rodgers, Manning, Elway, Marino, Mahomes, Montana, Favre, and Young were more naturally gifted athletically.

I think Brady was lucky enough to be coached by the GOAT coach and have top tier defenses most years.

Well, if that's the criteria, Lamar Jackson, RGIII and Michael Vick have to be in the conversion...

To answer the thread question. Nope. Favre is not top 5. He is probably the most overrated QB ever. Great peak, but overall, not on the level of Brady, Manning, Montana, Rodgers, Elway. Not that those are necessarily my top 5, but out of the QBs I actually watched, he is behind them. I am pretty sure some historical QBs are better.

 

[DueDiligence]

Old timers like tittle, jurgenson, Namath need a mention as does Aikman who has 3 rings

Recency bias and "stats bias".
The farther you go back the harder it was for QBs to pile up big stats and consequently most people look at what has happened in the last 20 years.
Before 1968 every game was played outdoors on natural grass and artificial turf was crap in the 70s and 80s which contributed to lots of injuries. The rules have been continually adjusted the last 30 years or so to keep both WRs and QBs from taking hits and favour the passing game. Last the game has changed from a ball control running attack dominated league to a short passing attack dominated league. QBs routinely throw 40 times a game now whereas the wasn't the case before the 2000s.

 

[Mike C]

Recency bias and "stats bias".
The farther you go back the harder it was for QBs to pile up big stats and consequently most people look at what has happened in the last 20 years.
Before 1968 every game was played outdoors on natural grass and artificial turf was crap in the 70s and 80s which contributed to lots of injuries. The rules have been continually adjusted the last 30 years or so to keep both WRs and QBs from taking hits and favour the passing game. Last the game has changed from a ball control running attack dominated league to a short passing attack dominated league. QBs routinely throw 40 times a game now whereas the wasn't the case before the 2000s.

indeed!

 

[Voight]

Well, if that's the criteria, Lamar Jackson, RGIII and Michael Vick have to be in the conversion...

To answer the thread question. Nope. Favre is not top 5. He is probably the most overrated QB ever. Great peak, but overall, not on the level of Brady, Manning, Montana, Rodgers, Elway. Not that those are necessarily my top 5, but out of the QBs I actually watched, he is behind them. I am pretty sure some historical QBs are better.

That title belongs to John Elway.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

The conversation can at least be had if he's top 5. Though I admit it may be too early.

Another SB MVP and he's definitely top 5 imo. But I'm biased so idk.

Absolutely no.

He has 1 MVP, 1 SB, 1 SB MVP. Plenty of QBs have more.

Are you saying Kurt Warner is a Top 5 all time QB? He's got more hardware than Mahomes. He has a SB and a SB MVP as well as having 2 MVP awards.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

That title belongs to John Elway.

And could belong to Patrick Mahomes pretty soon.

 

[EpochLink]

Mahomes is nowhere near the top 5 Qb’s of all time.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Brett Favre isn't a top 10 QB, let alone a top 5.