Proposal: Brent Seabrook for Andrew Shaw

[rent free]

Weber is off the table. If we take Seabrook, you take Alzner+. That is the only way I would listen to the phone call.

fine. alzner and shaw for seabrook and a 2nd

 

[Habs Halifax]

fine. alzner and shaw for seabrook and a 2nd

We gave the Blackhawks 2- 2nd's for Shaw. If you want to unload Seabrook and add Alzner + Shaw, the 1st is what I am looking for as this fits our needs. We are close. Call me when you can't find a better offer from any other team

 

[rent free]

We gave the Blackhawks 2- 2nd's for Shaw. If you want to unload Seabrook and add Alzner + Shaw, the 1st is what I am looking for as this fits our needs. We are close. Call me when you can't find a better offer from any other team

fine take the 1st instead. whats ur number btw

 

[Hostile Offer]

i think the hawks would do that trade. i also think the habs should do that trade. they'd get a valuable asset and save like 1.5 million for 4 seasons for taking on seabrook's contract

But Seabrook is still useless. Alzner and Shaw aren't. In case of cap troubles somewhere down the road it's much easier to get rid of Alzner and Shaw than Seabrook.

 

[rent free]

But Seabrook is still useless. Alzner and Shaw aren't. In case of cap troubles somewhere down the road it's much easier to get rid of Alzner and Shaw than Seabrook.

yah but wouldn't it be better for the habs if they got a 1st and traded away 8 million is cap space? ik seabrooks sucks and all but for a team like the habs that should be looking into the future i think it would be a beneficial trade.

 

[Habs Halifax]

But Seabrook is still useless. Alzner and Shaw aren't. In case of cap troubles somewhere down the road it's much easier to get rid of Alzner and Shaw than Seabrook.

There are equal concerns to Alzner as their are with Seabrook IMO. Alzner is younger and adding Alzner and Shaw helps the Hawks. Habs get a 1st (16-25 range) and we fit Seabrook in on the right side just like we would have to fit Alzner in on the left side. We give up a solid asset in Shaw (from age 26-30) but we get a 1st to help our rebuild. Trading Shaw frees up room for Scherbak

 

[Hostile Offer]

yah but wouldn't it be better for the habs if they got a 1st and traded away 8 million is cap space? ik seabrooks sucks and all but for a team like the habs that should be looking into the future i think it would be a beneficial trade.

Yes, we should look into future. Let's see what it looks like... Brent Seabrook and his dead legs locked up for six more years at an almost $7M cap hit? Yeah, I wouldn't touch that.

 

[Habs Halifax]

fine take the 1st instead. whats ur number btw

Does all Blackhawks fans want to unload Seabrook that bad? I would be curious to see if other Blackhawks fan like that deal or would think about it

 

[rent free]

Does all Blackhawks fans want to unload Seabrook that bad? I would be curious to see if other Blackhawks fan like that deal or would think about it

i'm not a blackhawks fan at all lol i just want a big trade to happen

 

[Habs Halifax]

i'm not a blackhawks fan at all lol i just want a big trade to happen

Figured. I'm not so sure Blackhawks fans would make that deal?

 

[rent free]

Yes, we should look into future. Let's see what it looks like... Brent Seabrook and his dead legs locked up for six more years at an almost $7M cap hit? Yeah, I wouldn't touch that.

not even with a 1st round pick attached to it?

 

[rent free]

Figured. I'm not so sure Blackhawks fans would make that deal?

they wouldn't because they probably think shaw sucks and alzner is not very good. i'm just guessing i wouldn't know. maybe they'd make it if they are desperate to get rid of seabrook's contract

 

[Liferleafer]

Are people actually comparing Seabrook to Weber? Listen, i want nothing to do with Weber's contract....but i would take it 11 times out of 10 over Seabrook and his contract. Weber is still a very good Dman, Sebrook is not.

 

[Hostile Offer]

There are equal concerns to Alzner as their are with Seabrook IMO. Alzner is younger and adding Alzner and Shaw helps the Hawks. Habs get a 1st (16-25 range) and we fit Seabrook in on the right side just like we would have to fit Alzner in on the left side. We give up a solid asset in Shaw (from age 26-30) but we get a 1st to help our rebuild. Trading Shaw frees up room for Scherbak

With Weber, Petry and somewhere in the near future Juulsen on the right side we just can't fit Seabrook in there for very long. Alzner should still be one of our top three LHDs for a while. Shaw can also play C and will be used in a completely different role than Scherbak anyway so he wouldn't take anything away from Scherbak.

 

[Hostile Offer]

not even with a 1st round pick attached to it?

Nope unless it's a really high pick, which I doubt it is. And I believe the Hawks would pass if there ever was a legitimate chance for that.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yes, we should look into future. Let's see what it looks like... Brent Seabrook and his dead legs locked up for six more years at an almost $7M cap hit? Yeah, I wouldn't touch that.

Seabrook:
- 6 more years at $6.875M
- Age 32 to 38

Alzner:
- 4 more years at $4.625M
- Age 29-33

Both teams take risk and the Habs take more but get the better player (although he is older). Hawks get Shaw and we get a 1st.

I'm willing to gamble that Seabrook does not play those last 2 years at age 37 and 38 ($5M and $4.5M contract years). Especially if he declines the way people are predicting today. So in the end, the Alzner vs Seabrook risk is similar to both teams.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Nope unless it's a really high pick, which I doubt it is. And I believe the Hawks would pass if there ever was a legitimate chance for that.

Hawks pick would be from the 16-25 range ish. Maybe it's a lottery pick if they miss the playoffs but unlikely. High probability says it's a 15-20 range pick in a deep draft. This is a significant piece the Hawks are giving up.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Seabrook:
- 6 more years at $6.875M
- Age 32 to 38

Alzner:
- 4 more years at $4.625M
- Age 29-33

Both teams take risk and the Habs take more but get the better player (although he is older). Hawks get Shaw and we get a 1st.

I'm willing to gamble that Seabrook does not play those last 2 years at age 37 and 38 ($5M and $4.5M contract years). Especially if he declines the way people are predicting today. So in the end, the Alzner vs Seabrook risk is similar to both teams.

Ah, now I see where we disagree. I happen to think Alzner is easily better than Seabrook at the moment and likely will be throughout his contract.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Hawks pick would be from the 16-25 range ish. Maybe it's a lottery pick if they miss the playoffs but unlikely. High probability says it's a 15-20 range pick in a deep draft. This is a significant piece the Hawks are giving up.

It's a good piece the Hawks would be giving up but even in a deep draft not a can't-miss prospect. Not worth it to me.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Ah, now I see where we disagree. I happen to think Alzner is easily better than Seabrook at the moment and likely will be throughout his contract.

I think Alzner is a solid defensive Defenseman but he is equally overpaid as Seabrook is IMO. I willing to take the risks of Seabrook (age, AAV, Term) if we get the 1st. The extra cap space helps us go after our dream... Tavares

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's a good piece the Hawks would be giving up but even in a deep draft not a can't-miss prospect. Not worth it to me.

Pretty sure you can get a future NHL player in this 2018 1st round. It's deep in talent due to quantity. A guy like Mcisaac is ranked anywhere from 10-20. I think he would go in the top 10 in other draft years.

 

[FrankMTL]

Weber is still a very good defenseman...I have no clue why he's being compared to Seabrook...that's crazy. Ya Weber does have a long contract, but he's still playing very well so why worry about that right now. Obviously he's injured right now so he's only played 26 games this year, but he had 6 goals and 10 assists during that time while still being a rock defensively. Those stats over 82 games work out to about 19 goals and 32 assists...still very solid numbers for Weber and in line with how he's produced his whole career. Stop being blinded by his contract. When it becomes a problem then we can all complain.

 

[Hostile Offer]

I think Alzner is a solid defensive Defenseman but he is equally overpaid as Seabrook is IMO. I willing to take the risks of Seabrook (age, AAV, Term) if we get the 1st. The extra cap space helps us go after our dream... Tavares

You see, Seabrook is currently a healthy scratch and is a legitimate liability in his own zone. He's far more overpaid than Alzner and I don't think it's even close.

Pretty sure you can get a future NHL player in this 2018 1st round. It's deep in talent due to quantity. A guy like Mcisaac is ranked anywhere from 10-20. I think he would go in the top 10 in other draft years.

Yeah I mean you should always expect to get a future NHL player with a 1st round pick but the risk is always there for a non-top 10 pick, even in a deep draft. Plus, the ceiling for those guys isn't generally considered nearly as high as that of a top 5-10 pick.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You see, Seabrook is currently a healthy scratch and is a legitimate liability in his own zone. He's far more overpaid than Alzner and I don't think it's even close.

Yeah I mean you should always expect to get a future NHL player with a 1st round pick but the risk is always there for a non-top 10 pick, even in a deep draft. Plus, the ceiling for those guys isn't generally considered nearly as high as that of a top 5-10 pick.

It's a solid debate. I suspect some Habs fans would make this trade. No idea about how the Blackhawks feel about it

 

[Eegs]

The fact we are discussing an although very unlikely swap of Weber for Seabrook + deal is very depressing. A year and a half ago we had Subban. No way in hell we'd even dream of discussing a Subban for Seabrook deal... /cries