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Player Discussion Brendan Gallagher

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WeThreeKings said:
Yeah but Bergevin fell into the cardinal sin of paying someone for what they did and not what they are going to do.

Gallagher falling off massively during this contract was the easiest thing to see in the world. He should have been traded when he had value. Hilariously Bergevin, when he's sentimental about a player, gets absolutely hosed in contracts.. but when he's not, he either f***s the situation beyond repair like Subban or got them on good contracts like MaxPac.

This was one where he let his sentimentality for Gallagher overcome the prudent business decision on that contract.
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He came full circle with Gallagher. He had him on a pretty team friendly long term deal prior to the current 6 year deal.
 
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StCaufield said:
What would Gallagher have to do stat wise to live up to his contract? 50 points?
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I never really looked at him in that way. Success for Gallagher used to look like a guy who can score goals, and the guy who could be introduced on any line to jumpstart it. He used to be a puck hound who was tough to deal with in the trenches.

He isn't the same guy anymore, but he's still putting the puck in the net.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Yeah but Bergevin fell into the cardinal sin of paying someone for what they did and not what they are going to do.

Gallagher falling off massively during this contract was the easiest thing to see in the world. He should have been traded when he had value. Hilariously Bergevin, when he's sentimental about a player, gets absolutely hosed in contracts.. but when he's not, he either f***s the situation beyond repair like Subban or got them on good contracts like MaxPac.

This was one where he let his sentimentality for Gallagher overcome the prudent business decision on that contract.
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You're definitely not wrong.

That's a very hard trade to make from an organizational stand point tho, and leaves a very big hole in the locker room, those heart & soul players don't come around often.

Would we have made it to the finals without Gally? How much do you value that memory of the Vegas game? Because that memory, I'll have for a lifetime. How important is Gallagher to this team right now with his experience? His legs may of fallen off, but he's still an incredibly important of the room, if not more so because he's the last guy from the old group. He's also been one of our best players this year too, interesting to see how many he can pot this year... on pace for 35.. hahaha. I'll be happy with 25.

Silver lining that contract hasn't really screwed us up considering the status of our team, and the cap is on the rise.
 
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Hacketts said:
You're definitely not wrong.

That's a very hard trade to make from an organizational stand point tho, and leaves a very big hole in the locker room, those heart & soul players don't come around often.

Would we have made it to the finals without Gally? How much do you value that memory of the Vegas game? Because that memory, I'll have for a lifetime. How important is Gallagher to this team right now with his experience? His legs may of fallen off, but he's still an incredibly important of the room, if not more so because he's the last guy from the old group. He's also been one of our best players this year too, interesting to see how many he can pot this year... on pace for 35.. hahaha. I'll be happy with 25.

Silver lining that contract hasn't really screwed us up considering the status of our team, and the cap is on the rise.
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I'm happy he's found a way to provide value right now and we should be well clear of that contract when the term and dollars will really matter for us going forward.

Luckily I don't think we'll see Hughes make the same mistakes Bergevin made here.
 
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BozoTheClown said:
He should probably get 30 goals and 20 assists to be worth his contract.

Gallagher only reached 50 points twice in his career.
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Most on this board, myself included, wrote him off completely. Zero value. If he reaches 75% of value (say 15-20goals), plus his intangiables, unique role in playing in front of the net, I would be more than happy. Asking him to "live up" to his contract (which was a reward for prior underpaiment contract) will only result in frustration.
 
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StCaufield said:
What would Gallagher have to do stat wise to live up to his contract? 50 points?
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You have to think that any combo of 50 pts is more than living up to the contract. Gally is a 32 year old winger making 6.5m, here are all the 30 to 35 year old wingers with a cap hit between 6 and 7m

Tyler Toffoli Age 32 6M Just signed for 4 years coming of 55 pt season
Taylor hall Age 33 6M last year of a 4 yr contract- probably more broken down than Gally at this point
Ondrej Palat age 33 6M 2 more years after this year has not hit 50 points since 2017
Alex Kilorn age 35 6.25M - has 2 more years after this one 36 pts last yr
Tom Wilson age 30 in 1st year of 7 yr 6.5M AAV contract. has only broken 50 pts once but brings other things
Kris kreider age 33 2 more years at 6.5M - okay that is a great contract
Anders lee, age 34 1 year after this one at 7M. 37 pts last yr, 50 the yr before

Probably does not need 50 to earn that contract relative to similar aged/paid wingers.

Seems like the 30-35 year old centres paid 6-7 M have fared better (kadri, Lee, Schenn, Nelson)
 
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WeThreeKings said:
I'm happy he's found a way to provide value right now and we should be well clear of that contract when the term and dollars will really matter for us going forward.

Luckily I don't think we'll see Hughes make the same mistakes Bergevin made here.
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I'm sure his personality and work ethic are good for the younger players too. His contract sucks (always has even if I trolled people here when he signed it).

Even when he sucks, I can never hate him.

Hope he continues to have a solid year.
 
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Catanddogguitarrr said:
Gallagher is an example for all those who have to go thru difficult times. It can be health problems, harassment or financial badlucks. He's someone that was down to the ground, almost nobody to support him, he was written done, burnt, good for a buyout next year, etc. And without any expectations, he rebounce this year, he scores on a bottom line and he never get PP ice time. I can't find the exact words to express myself, he's an example for me and I admire him very much. Love you Gally !! :)
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Not that long ago you had people here bashing Gallagher's character, which was silly
 
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At this point, we need some good veterans too leads the group. Gallagher know the worth of being a Canadiens players. He's the perfect veterans to keep on board for the reconstruction. He's the oldest members of the club in the rosters, he know the culture of the club and he is the perfect role model to be successful in professional hockey. He make a long carreer in the NHL not because he was the must skillful or he had huge physical attributes. He made it because of his work ethic and determination. He should be the last buy out the team if they want to make salary space.
 
Lafleurs Guy said:
Go look at the mid 2010s when he was with Max, Markov and Subban. Crosby was winning with like 85 points.
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Interesting. There has been a rise in goals per game since 2016 or so. What explains that? Influx of scoring talent? Stricter enforcement of rules? Price's retirement?
 
Frankenheimer said:
Interesting. There has been a rise in goals per game since 2016 or so. What explains that? Influx of scoring talent? Stricter enforcement of rules? Price's retirement?
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Rule changes, increase in goalies injuries, Price's generation retiring and goalie development going in the wrong direction (especially in Canada).
 
Frankenheimer said:
Interesting. There has been a rise in goals per game since 2016 or so. What explains that? Influx of scoring talent? Stricter enforcement of rules? Price's retirement?
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I don’t know. It was really weird. I think Kane won one year with 100 and the next closest was like 85….

Gallagher was only getting like 50 points but it was a really low scoring era.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Yeah but Bergevin fell into the cardinal sin of paying someone for what they did and not what they are going to do.

Gallagher falling off massively during this contract was the easiest thing to see in the world. He should have been traded when he had value. Hilariously Bergevin, when he's sentimental about a player, gets absolutely hosed in contracts.. but when he's not, he either f***s the situation beyond repair like Subban or got them on good contracts like MaxPac.

This was one where he let his sentimentality for Gallagher overcome the prudent business decision on that contract.
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I said the exact same thing before MB resigned him. He should’ve been traded. It was clear that he was dropping off and had started having injury problems. They may have gotten a decent return though. Now, I will admit that he’s turned things around this year so far, but still not worth that contract. At least he’s overtaken Anderson in his value. That guy needs to go.
 
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Frankenheimer said:
Interesting. There has been a rise in goals per game since 2016 or so. What explains that? Influx of scoring talent? Stricter enforcement of rules? Price's retirement?
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stricter enforcement of interference / hooking etc, increasing game pace & skill combined w one piece high flex rocket launchers
 
WeThreeKings said:
I'm happy he's found a way to provide value right now and we should be well clear of that contract when the term and dollars will really matter for us going forward.

Luckily I don't think we'll see Hughes make the same mistakes Bergevin made here.
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Bergevin literally broke down in tears waxing poetic about Gallagher... it was one of the weirdest press conferences I've ever seen.

Hughes definitely doesn't have the same allegiance to Gallagher - his real test will be moving on from the guys HE is attached to, if he ever has to. Matheson, MSL, Newhook, etc.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
Go look at the mid 2010s when he was with Max, Markov and Subban. Crosby was winning with like 85 points.
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wasn’t his prime.
Other than the lockout season, 2014-2015 is the season a player got less than 100 and it was Jamie Benn with 87.
 
morhilane said:
Rule changes, increase in goalies injuries, Price's generation retiring and goalie development going in the wrong direction (especially in Canada).
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IMO there’s nothing any G from any generation can do with the present combination of speed, skill and stick technology in the game today.

To add, the way goaltending became a specialized science in the 90s is what’s been taking place over last 8-10 yrs in the various skill set development - skating / edgework, shooting (likes of Dr Shot), stickhandling (likes of Poweredge Pro), hockey IQ focus (Hockey IntelliGym), dry land training etc
 
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