Bravo Benning. The D is pretty much rebuilt.

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TBH, I don't see Willie back in 2017-18. He'd have to suddenly do so many things differently and the team would have to be a surprise playoff team that goes at least 7 games in a series.

And I think we are a ways away from being that.

While I tend to agree, what you suggest is within the margin of error. If everything goes right, a playoff spot and a good round 1 showing is a possibility. Keys to this happening:
1. Stay healthy - D especially needs to stay healthy for most of the year so as to not expose their lack of depth. If Sbisa is playing top four minutes most nights, then this won't happen.
2. Horvat, Baertschi, and Hutton each take a step. Hutton continues his stellar rookie season. Baerstchi improves and Horvat becomes that 20+ goal scoring excellent defensive centre
3. Sedins - they would still need to carry the offensive load (60+ pt pace)
4. Markstrom becomes a legit <2.4 GAA, SV%>0.92 starter.

While it's unlikely that all of these things will happen, it isn't a stretch that each one could.

If they all happen, I think you'll see WD here for another year.
 
Gotta say im feeling a lil suprised and good about are d now. And everyone keeps saying Gubranson IS a top 4 guy so.... maybe not so bad. Imagine in 3 years

Juol
Tanman
Edler
Hutty
Goober
Sbisa Man
Trammer
Briesbois

Those are all good dmen. Even if not all around or made it by then thats kinda impressive

Nicely played Benning :)
 
Gotta say im feeling a lil suprised and good about are d now. And everyone keeps saying Gubranson IS a top 4 guy so.... maybe not so bad. Imagine in 3 years

Juol
Tanman
Edler
Hutty
Goober
Sbisa Man
Trammer
Briesbois

Those are all good dmen. Even if not all around or made it by then thats kinda impressive

Nicely played Benning :)

I'd add Candella to that list too.
 
100% of Florida Panthers fans believe Kulikov is better than Gudbranson

I do realize one is LHD and the other is RHD, but the cost to acquire Kulikov for Buffalo (who needed a LHD) was cheaper than the cost for us..

that's sad
 
If in the 2017-18 season Tryamkin is a depth player behind Sbisa then he's pretty much a bust, or at least not worth mentioning in a discussion about the Canucks future D core.

Yeh why is Tryamkin so low ranked in this thread. I assume he will be a top six d man based on last year. With potential to be much more than that. If that happens than this d core would be as good recent d cores here. It is not like Bieksa, Rome , Alberts did not have detractors throughout those years.
 
If in the 2017-18 season Tryamkin is a depth player behind Sbisa then he's pretty much a bust, or at least not worth mentioning in a discussion about the Canucks future D core.

I agree, and I think Trammer is being way under-valued. He's so big and assured it's easy to
forget how young he is. I was impressed by his brief stint last season, and I feel he'll grow into a
solid, intimidating minute-muncher by the time he's 24. It'll be interesting to see how he compares
with Gudbranson next season; I think he might eventually have a higher ceiling. In any case,
I don't think he's a "maybe" going forward. The right side appears to be set: Tanev, Gudbranson,
and Tryamkin. Where this leaves the other RD guys--the ones with offence: Subban, Stecher, and Larsson---is problematic IMO.
And then there's Biega and Neill. But I'm pretty sure the two big rangy guys are here to stay, given our heavy rival teams in the West.

On the LD side for now, or say the next three years or so, it looks like Edler, Hutton, and Sbisa until Juolevi joins the team. I'm assuming Hamhuis won't be back. Brisebois has great mobility and good hockey sense so he'll be a lock in a couple of years when Edler is traded and / or Sbisa is dismissed.
At that point the LD will be Juolevi, Hutton, Brisebois, and possibly Pedan, Olson, or Candella. A very mobile but lanky group, balanced by the two behemoths on the right side. So long as the PP D are Juolevi and Hutton on the left, and Subban and Stecher on the right, our whole D is looking pretty good . . . even without the additions which will likely be made over time.
 
100% of Florida Panthers fans believe Kulikov is better than Gudbranson

I do realize one is LHD and the other is RHD, but the cost to acquire Kulikov for Buffalo (who needed a LHD) was cheaper than the cost for us..

that's sad

nah it's because sabre's gm had no patience, terrible gm.
 
Remember that time Jim Benning inherited a decent D-core in 2014? Then he proceeded to trade Garrison for a 2nd=Vey=nothing. Then we to allow 220 goals in 2015, up from 216 in 2014 actually. Hamhuis gets old and being unable to trade him was fun too. So was signing Bartkowsi. Then we broke the bank for Gudbranson, who is inferior to Garrison in every way but we sold the farm for him. Then, cause we suck cause of Benning we land with the 5th overall pick. Even though logic dictates you should go for the BPA and forward need on your offensive record breakingly bad team you pick a Jouveli. Why? Cause you broke the defence in the first place.

lol.
pretty accurate.
 
Tryamkin played the right side well last season, but he is a lefty and should be just as good or better on his natural side. Basically if he is the 5th D next year the 6th D could be anyone regardless of which side they play because Tryamkin could complement either side, or move up into the top 4 if there is an injury on either side. He is a very valuable player because of his ability to play both sides.

With a top four of:
Tanev Edler
Gudbranson Hutton

The bottom pairing could be
Tryamkin Sbisa
Larsen Tryamkin
Stecher Tryamkin
Tryamkin Pedan
Subban Tryamkin
Tryamkin Juolevi

They will probably give Sbisa the first look. He will probably plays better on his natural left side than he did last year playing on the right, also not having to partner with Bartkowski or Weber will help enormously. And if Sbisa doesn't work out there are lots of other options to try in the list above.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I'm gonna miss Bartkowski angrily banging his stick on the ice when he didn't receive a pass.
 
While I tend to agree, what you suggest is within the margin of error. If everything goes right, a playoff spot and a good round 1 showing is a possibility. Keys to this happening:
1. Stay healthy - D especially needs to stay healthy for most of the year so as to not expose their lack of depth. If Sbisa is playing top four minutes most nights, then this won't happen.
2. Horvat, Baertschi, and Hutton each take a step. Hutton continues his stellar rookie season. Baerstchi improves and Horvat becomes that 20+ goal scoring excellent defensive centre
3. Sedins - they would still need to carry the offensive load (60+ pt pace)
4. Markstrom becomes a legit <2.4 GAA, SV%>0.92 starter.

While it's unlikely that all of these things will happen, it isn't a stretch that each one could.

If they all happen, I think you'll see WD here for another year.

I guess it "could" happen, but lets be serious.

#1 when was this team ever healthy for a full season? When did we ever no have a dman get hurt for a portion of the season?

#2 Probably the most realistic, but for all of them to take a step still seems optimistic. I don't see Horvat getting 20 goals still. Especially if Sutter is healthy for most of the season.

#3 Daniel barely 60 points last year and hank didn't. Especially since we lost some puck moving ability with Hamhuis and replaced it with Grud. We lost points on the back end where we could ill afford to do so.

#4 I think it will be very hard for Marky, combine the fact our coach will probably feed Miller starts, and feast Marky to harder teams, and just the fact our team won't be that good.

I can't say it absolutely won't, I just really can't see it happening though.
 
Wow, Olie. I think a lot of Juolevi but a think he's still 1 year away at the least. Probably 2. Kid needs to get to at least 195.

See em' impressing the hell out of everyone in pre season and 9 regular season games this season before being sent to London. He's a better hockey player than people like Sbisa, Pedan, Tryamkin, Weber etc. on this day.
 
100% of Florida Panthers fans believe Kulikov is better than Gudbranson

I do realize one is LHD and the other is RHD, but the cost to acquire Kulikov for Buffalo (who needed a LHD) was cheaper than the cost for us..

that's sad

Like I said: Florida called the league idiot and took him for all he was worth.
 
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#1 57 gp 9 g 33 a 42 pts
#2 61 gp 10 g 38 a 48 pts


#1 had a team with 3 100 point players (121, 116, 107)
#2 had 3 top scorers with 75, 60 and 59
both 17 year old LHD in the OHL
#1 drafted 5th overall 2016
#2 drafted in the 2nd round 2012

hope to god he doesn't track the same
 
Juolevi is a LHD, Gudbranson is a RHD.

Juolevi will most likely replace Edler.

That doesnt really matter..Edler was Paired with Ehrhoff mostly and we had Bieksa and Salo.

It all depends on the chemistry and how good the players actually are. Edler wont be buried on the 3rd pairing unless if he significantly regresses.
 
#1 57 gp 9 g 33 a 42 pts
#2 61 gp 10 g 38 a 48 pts


#1 had a team with 3 100 point players (121, 116, 107)
#2 had 3 top scorers with 75, 60 and 59
both 17 year old LHD in the OHL
#1 drafted 5th overall 2016
#2 drafted in the 2nd round 2012

hope to god he doesn't track the same

lol that guy also had 2 points in 6 playoff games compared to 14 in 18, and I'm guessing came nowhere near a WJC team nevermind being a top 3 player for the Champs.
 
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