Brassard

[Mikos87]

Thank you for adding a lot to the discussion. I forgot that there's a massive difference in a players ability at age 34 and 9 months compared to age 35 and 0 months. I am glad you enlightened us all with that fact.

Yeah it's a whole seasons worth of time.

Of all the gambles we could conceivably take to try and got over the top in Hank's prime, dealing Brassard and minor assets for Thornton is about as appealing as it gets. I don't think people understand just how much better he is than Brassard even in his mid-thirties.

Agree wholeheartedly, and the guy can be counted on defensively, add to the fact that he has size which the Rangers lack down the middle, and is a better playmaker, proven chemistry with Nash, no issues with inconsistency, a reliable power play producer, and needs a cup for his legacy.

I would deal Brassard, JMoore, and prospects for Thornton and not bat an eyelash.

Thornton averages more assists than Brassard does points. It would free up the Stepan unit for 2nd pair D matchups. The Rangers would be filthy deep with Joe Thornton over Brassard.

I would look at it as a missing element sort of trade. The Rangers imo last year lacked that offensive RHD, and a frontline center with size from last year's roster. If Thornton is added, then those two holes are covered, and upgraded on from last year's team.

 

[Inferno]

Of all the gambles we could conceivably take to try and got over the top in Hank's prime, dealing Brassard and minor assets for Thornton is about as appealing as it gets. I don't think people understand just how much better he is than Brassard even in his mid-thirties.

im with you, with 1 big exception. im very worried about having that many big time contracts on the roster. we saw this year already what a top heavy roster does to your depth.

 

[Inferno]

thornton is very appealing, i just dont see the math working at all..not unless they plan on eating salary..and if thats not the case, whats the point.

 

[RangerBoy]

Gorton likes Brassard. Daniel Dore likes Brassard. In 2006, Boston considered using the 5th pick in the draft on Brassard but they went with Kessel. Boston wanted Backstrom but couldn't move up. Joe Thornton is a loser. Boston couldn't wait to get rid of him. They wanted to make Bergeron the Bruins key player. San Jose would deal Thornton if they could. Notice the pattern. Those Shark teams haven't won a damn thing and he is the missing piece? Just like Nash. The Rangers went to the finals in spite of Nash. One guy like that is enough. $15 million combined.

 

[Thirty One]

Gorton likes Brassard. Daniel Dore likes Brassard. In 2006, Boston considered using the 5th pick in the draft on Brassard but they went with Kessel.

#FireGorton

Joe Thornton is a loser like Steve Yzerman was.

 

[Thirty One]

Since the '05 lockout, Thornton has 82 points in 97 playoff games. Totally his fault.

Look at all these playoff chokers: http://www.hockey-reference.com/pla...at=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=points_per_game

 

[slipknottin]

Does amuse me that every offseason this board gets infatuated with an aging center.

You would think they would learn. Nope

 

[Thirty One]

Does amuse me that every offseason this board gets infatuated with an aging center.

You would think they would learn. Nope

Who was it last off-season? The one before?

 

[Nyrvana]

im with you, with 1 big exception. im very worried about having that many big time contracts on the roster. we saw this year already what a top heavy roster does to your depth.

Maybe, but with Miller, Stemp, Kreider, Stepan, Hagelin, Moore, Lombardi, Hayes etc all making good value contracts I don't think the depth will be a problem especially with the cap potentially going up next year.

I'm happy with the team, but I agree that Thorton > Brassard is a significant upgrade.

 

[slipknottin]

Who was it last off-season? The one before?

So thats your argument about why this is different? Because you havent made a terrible mistake doing it in two years?

 

[Thirty One]

So thats your argument about why this is different? Because you havent made a terrible mistake doing it in two years?

No that's my argument as to why you're making an argument based on fiction.

 

[slipknottin]

No that's my argument as to why you're making an argument based on fiction.

No, this board never gets obsessed with aging Centers, you're right.

 

[Thirty One]

No, this board never gets obsessed with aging Centers, you're rig ht.

If that's the case, it should be easy to come up with recent examples. But here we are, dodging the point.

 

[Thirty One]

Good time to plug my math blog:

How Will Joe Thornton Perform Through his Contract?

 

[Mac n Gs]

I don't think some people realize how good Joe is. Could you imagine how good a powerplay involving Thornton, MSL, Boyle, Kreider, and Stepan would be?

 

[slipknottin]

If that's the case, it should be easy to come up with recent examples. But here we are, dodging the point.

You mean other than this thread?

Yea. Everytime there is a chance to get an aging Center this place goes crazy.

 

[slipknottin]

I don't think some people realize how good Joe was. Could you imagine how good a powerplay involving Thornton, MSL, Boyle, Kreider, and Stepan would be?

fixed

 

[Thirty One]

You mean other than this thread?

Yea. Everytime there is a chance to get an aging Center this place goes crazy.

Which would make answering the original question easy, one would think.

If you have a chance to get Thornton for Brassard +, you do it.

 

[slipknottin]

Which would make answering the original question easy, one would think.

If you have a chance to get Thornton for Brassard +, you do it.

And then you lose multiple good players for a guy who will be a useless player in a season or two.

But we dont do learnin here

 

[Thirty One]

fixed

Merely 13th in league scoring. Ho-hum.

 

[Thirty One]

And then you lose multiple good players for a guy who will be a useless player in a season or two.

But we dont do learnin here

Useless in a year or two? What is that based on?

And what Thornton like players are we supposed to be learning from?

 

[slipknottin]

Useless in a year or two? What is that based on?

And what Thornton like players are we supposed to be learning from?

Nahh, 35+ year old players dont decline. Why am i making that up.

 

[Thirty One]

Nahh, 35+ year old players dont decline. Why am i making that up.

Not overnight.

And players in Thornton's peer group don't age like average players (again: http://hockey-graphs.com/2014/06/20/how-will-joe-thornton-perform-through-his-contract/).

It's the St. Louis argument all over.

 

[slipknottin]

Not overnight.

And players in Thornton's peer group don't age like average players (again: http://hockey-graphs.com/2014/06/20/how-will-joe-thornton-perform-through-his-contract/).

It's the St. Louis argument all over.

Theres a massive fatal flaw in that "study".

Stunning that neither you nor the author identified it. Probably a case of it supports what you want.

 

[Thirty One]

Theres a massive fatal flaw in that "study".

Stunning that neither you nor the author identified it. Probably a case of it supports what you want.

What's the flaw?

I'll be sure to pass it along to the author.