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Cresto said:
Brassard+ is too much to throw at Thorton at this point. We have 5 of Brassard's best years at an okay $5M price and he's had two strong playoffs with us. we're thin on prospects and draft picks along with our **** drafting. A hefty price + a young player for an old player who's going to slow down soon, I don't think that's really something that we NEED to do. It's an upgrade but I think there are other solutions to our C depth problem that will work better long term and cost us less. Add the extra $1.75M cap hit and NMC, it's a short term upgrade we don't want to afford i think.

Value right now, Brassard+ is the value that SJS would look for and anyone would expect for Thorton, but we're really solving one problem by creating another which is the main reason why I think Brassard+ is too much for us, not necessarily saying that Thornton isn't worth it.
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It depends entirely on the plus. Thornton is an incredible force. It's amazing just how much of the Sharks' offense he's responsible for.

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http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/8/21/6053761/san-jose-sharks-joe-thornton-captain-whats-happening

He's also 14th in the league in corsi: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...500&teamid=0&type=corsi&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

If people really want to make a Cup run before Lundqvist gets old, turning our Stepan/Brassard combo into a Thornton/Stepan combo would be a godsend. And as much as everyone rags on his playoff performance, Thornton puts up 0.84 ppg in the playoffs compared to 0.69 ppg for playoff god Brassard. I'd happily add a lesser prospect and our 2015 second rounders to Brassard to make that deal. Of course, all of this is moot because there's almost no way the Sharks would deal him, but a guy can dream.
 
Good point. I guess it's hard to chance something that worked well enough last year to get us to the cup final.
 
You can't be serious, trade Brass? What about Zucc? Those two are almost like a couple in love, split them up and they will both slowly die...hockey-wise :(
 
Wolfy said:
You can't be serious, trade Brass? What about Zucc? Those two are almost like a couple in love, split them up and they will both slowly die...hockey-wise :(
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Attributing any part of Zucc's success to Brassard is ridiculous. Zucc plays well with anyone. If anything, Brassard owes Zucc a big piece of his contract.
 
You guys wanna win before Lundqvist is an old man?

Brassard + McIlrath + 2015 2nd
for
Jumbo

Where do I sign?

Kreider - Thornton - Nash (WOW)
Hagelin - Stepan - MSL
Stempniak - Miller - Zucc
Glass - Moore - Hayes/Lombardi

Now THAT is a forward corps capable of scoring some goals in the playoffs.
 
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zuckera1 said:
IMO his regular season inconsistencies will be more noticable around here with his 2C status and 5 million dollar price tag (for 5 years). Brassard is a nice player and has been good for us in the playoffs, but I don't see him improving much. He's going to be 27 this year, players are normally finished products by that age and he hasn't shown any signs of improving in the past few years.

I expect 45 points (15G, 30A) and some big playoff points.

I'd be very happy with anything at or over 50.

Anyone expecting or hoping for more will be disappointed in my opinion.
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Exactly my line of thinking, this time around he will also be facing top 4 D-man every shift he's out there and a higher level of competition at forward.

The way he's had two bad weeks mixed in with 2 good weeks doesn't inspire any confidence in me as far as him being a top 6 center that you win with. Especially since he isn't known for his defensive prowess.

The saving grace is that, he will very likely be paired with two 50-60 point wingers at the minimum with two of Nash, Zucc, Kreids, and MSL, so that in it self should and could carry over towards top 6 production.

Brassard should be getting 3 more minutes a night in an elevated role, but I think the higher level of competition will even out those numbers and have him at around 45-50 points.

If he finally matures into a consistent night in-night out player, then there is no reason why he can't break 60, but after 6-7 years of NHL play, I think what you see is what you get.

I'd trade him in a package for Thornton is a heartbeat.
 
Brass has been a 55 point player in the past when given more playing time. Him and Stepan will both be in the 18-20 MPG area this season, so I can see him putting up more points in an expanded role. He's become one of my top 5 favorite Rangers behind King, McTruck, Zucc, and Hagelin so I'm biased.
 
Zil said:
It depends entirely on the plus. Thornton is an incredible force. It's amazing just how much of the Sharks' offense he's responsible for.

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http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/8/21/6053761/san-jose-sharks-joe-thornton-captain-whats-happening

He's also 14th in the league in corsi: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...500&teamid=0&type=corsi&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

If people really want to make a Cup run before Lundqvist gets old, turning our Stepan/Brassard combo into a Thornton/Stepan combo would be a godsend. And as much as everyone rags on his playoff performance, Thornton puts up 0.84 ppg in the playoffs compared to 0.69 ppg for playoff god Brassard. I'd happily add a lesser prospect and our 2015 second rounders to Brassard to make that deal. Of course, all of this is moot because there's almost no way the Sharks would deal him, but a guy can dream.
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Brassard is too much. Send Miller + prospect and call it a day.
 
I'm way too paranoid about giving up prospects for a 35 year old center after Richards, Gomez, and Drury. Stay the hell away from them, build from within. Call it superstition if you want, I'm just sick of the 1C extra piece song and dance nonsense. Heard it too many times before.
 
BearishRiggs said:
I'm way too paranoid about giving up prospects for a 35 year old center after Richards, Gomez, and Drury. Stay the hell away from them, build from within. Call it superstition if you want, I'm just sick of the 1C extra piece song and dance nonsense. Heard it too many times before.
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but this time is different!
 
Zil said:
Thornton's way, way better than any of those guys and the main piece I'd want to give up for him is Brassard.
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The same way Brad Richards is way better I'm sure.

Either way, guys who are 35 years old are going to be finishing their careers rather quickly. You hope you get a year or two but when that wall comes it comes awful quick
 
slipknottin said:
The same way Brad Richards is way better I'm sure.

Either way, guys who are 35 years old are going to be finishing their careers rather quickly. You hope you get a year or two but when that wall comes it comes awful quick
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Except Thornton isn't signed for 8 more years.
 
No one knows when the crap is going to hit the fan with Thornton. He could have 5 more years of productive play left in him. He could have 0.

I'd rather stick with Brassard.
 
slipknottin said:
The same way Brad Richards is way better I'm sure.

Either way, guys who are 35 years old are going to be finishing their careers rather quickly. You hope you get a year or two but when that wall comes it comes awful quick
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Brad Richards was never on the level of a Joe Thornton. Additionally Thornton has shown that he is still a very effective player at age 35 while Richards has shown the opposite.
 
SA16 said:
Brad Richards was never on the level of a Joe Thornton. Additionally Thornton has shown that he is still a very effective player at age 35 while Richards has shown the opposite.
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Thornton has yet to play a single game as a 35 year old.
 
Tawnos said:
Thornton has yet to play a single game as a 35 year old.
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Thank you for adding a lot to the discussion. I forgot that there's a massive difference in a players ability at age 34 and 9 months compared to age 35 and 0 months. I am glad you enlightened us all with that fact.
 
Of all the gambles we could conceivably take to try and got over the top in Hank's prime, dealing Brassard and minor assets for Thornton is about as appealing as it gets. I don't think people understand just how much better he is than Brassard even in his mid-thirties.
 
SA16 said:
Thank you for adding a lot to the discussion. I forgot that there's a massive difference in a players ability at age 34 and 9 months compared to age 35 and 0 months. I am glad you enlightened us all with that fact.
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I mean, if it's going to be technical, it will be 35 and 3 months. But as I said earlier in the thread, which maybe you missed, Thornton could have 5 good years of hockey left in him. He could have 0. There are plenty of players who have had good seasons as a 34 year old and mediocre ones as a 35 year old. With a player his age, you just don't know. 6 months can make a huge difference in his ability. I'm not making any predictions on whether he will deteriorate or won't. I simply think it's not worth the risk.
 
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