Value of: Brady Tkachuk

[Nikki Potnick]

Jason Robertson.

 

[Barsky]

Jason Robertson.

... is awesome, just off to a bit of a slow start, he'd do it though!

 

[dgibb10]

It was very good evidence that your statement of him playing almost every game for the last 6 years was so laughably false. 34 points over 3 seasons, while not adjusting for their ages and Brady's upward trajectory is not "significant", sorry, especially when they score goals at the exact same pace over their careers, then it's just disingenuous stat manipulation. My initial point is Brady is now and will prove to be more and more so as their careers progress, more durable and anyone who knows hockey knows the most important ability is availability. We both agree Matt is better, but you don't understand what Matt's game will do to his body long term vs Brady, who again, could dummy Matt, which makes GM's drool. I made these same predictions about how Weber's offer sheet contract destroyed his value and with his game he'd be long retired b4 it was done, and I met with the same short sighted myopic arguments. Done now, take care


Cause every team and every fanbase wants him and for good reason. Also, it's HFBoards, lol, you new here? (I know you're not)

What upward trajectory?

He had 10 less points in 23-24 than 22-23, and outside of the fact that his on ice shooting% is at like 20 rn, he is at a worse level than the 2 years previous in:

individual categories EV: producing worse in virtually every aspect
-less assists
-less goals
-less shots
-less expected goals
-more giveaways
-less takeaways
-less hits (I know you love this)
-worse penalty differential
heck he's even getting cooked in the faceoff dot worse

On ice categories EV:

The only "improvement" has been from shooting luck. (hint, having 40% of a teams shots go in on the power play is not sustainable)

 

[Legion34]

Timothy Liljegren and nic Robertson seem to be available

Follow up.

Nic Robertson and Matt Benning seem to be available

 

[Barsky]

What the hell does what they did at 19 have a single barring on who they are now? lol.

There’s one person in here who thinks Brady is more valuable.

And it’s you.

Never said he was and have said multiple times Matthew is better, great reading comprehension. Bearing you mean maybe? And idk, you tell me, you're the one bringing it up, though I did mention they both made their teams in their first camps, which just speaks to their similarities, but that was in a long list of other stuff that showed how similar they were, so you focusing on that is a bit weird

 

[HockeyVirus]

Wait… you mean like the same sample size you’re using to say Woll > Swayman

Dude just give it up lol

Uh no. You seriously think I am saying this based off of 3 playoff games? He's been high end for many years going back to his last year with the Marlies.

 

[Reality Czech]

What upward trajectory?

He had 10 less points in 23-24 than 22-23, and outside of the fact that his on ice shooting% is at like 20 rn, he is at a worse level than the 2 years previous in:

individual categories EV: producing worse in virtually every aspect
-less assists
-less goals
-less shots
-less expected goals
-more giveaways
-less takeaways
-less hits (I know you love this)
-worse penalty differential
heck he's even getting cooked in the faceoff dot worse
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On ice categories EV:
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The only "improvement" has been from shooting luck. (hint, having 40% of a teams shots go in on the power play is not sustainable)

Ah, so you're one of those fans that thinks advanced stats mean everything huh.

 

[dgibb10]

Ah, so you're one of those fans that thinks advanced stats mean everything huh.

Which of the stats I mentioned do you consider "advanced stats"

I mentioned 9 individual metrics where he has regressed EV, which of them do you view as "advanced":

here they are

Goals
Assists
Shots
Giveaways
Takeaways
Hits
Faceoffs
Penalty differential
Expected Goals.

Or is the advanced part that I took a look at when both teams had the same amount of people on the ice?

Or are the spooky advanced stats "how often does his team generate a shot when he's on the ice"?

God I love when people say Corsi and Fenwick are advanced stats when it's literally just a count of shot attempts.

 

[Reality Czech]

Which of the stats I mentioned do you consider "advanced stats"

I mentioned 9 individual metrics where he has regressed EV, which of them do you view as "advanced":

here they are

Goals
Assists
Shots
Giveaways
Takeaways
Hits
Faceoffs
Penalty differential
Expected Goals.

Or is the advanced part that I took a look at when both teams had the same amount of people on the ice?

Or are the spooky advanced stats "how often does his team generate a shot when he's on the ice"?

God I love when people say Corsi and Fenwick are advanced stats when it's literally just a count of shot attempts.

Having more shot attempts in itself doesn't really mean that much. Or obviously a guy is going to have more shot attempts against when he's playing against better players. There are a lot of factors that could make those fancy stat numbers go up or down. A lot of it has to do with the quality of the linemates and team in general and situational factors.

So your argument is that Brady is actually becoming a slightly worse hockey player as he gains more experience?

 

[dgibb10]

Having more shot attempts in itself doesn't really mean that much. Or obviously a guy is going to have more shot attempts against when he's playing against better players. There are a lot of factors that could make those fancy stat numbers go up or down. A lot of it has to do with the quality of the linemates and team in general and situational factors.

So your argument is that Brady is actually becoming a slightly worse hockey player as he gains more experience?

No, my argument is that there is no upward trajectory to suggest he's approaching his brother. Most guys stagnate around their mid 20s.

 

[nbwingsfan]

It was very good evidence that your statement of him playing almost every game for the last 6 years was so laughably false. 34 points over 3 seasons, while not adjusting for their ages and Brady's upward trajectory is not "significant", sorry, especially when they score goals at the exact same pace over their careers, then it's just disingenuous stat manipulation. My initial point is Brady is now and will prove to be more and more so as their careers progress, more durable and anyone who knows hockey knows the most important ability is availability. We both agree Matt is better, but you don't understand what Matt's game will do to his body long term vs Brady, who again, could dummy Matt, which makes GM's drool. I made these same predictions about how Weber's offer sheet contract destroyed his value and with his game he'd be long retired b4 it was done, and I met with the same short sighted myopic arguments. Done now, take care


Cause every team and every fanbase wants him and for good reason. Also, it's HFBoards, lol, you new here? (I know you're not)

Did you also predict Lucic and Backes would both destroy their bodies and become pretty useless?

Jamie Benn is a big guy who dropped off. Oh look at Eric Lindros, Tom Wilson

This idea that big guy = durable is undeniably false

Never said he was and have said multiple times Matthew is better, great reading comprehension. Bearing you mean maybe? And idk, you tell me, you're the one bringing it up, though I did mention they both made their teams in their first camps, which just speaks to their similarities, but that was in a long list of other stuff that showed how similar they were, so you focusing on that is a bit weird

What did both Matthew and Brady Tkachuck do when they were 24?

Uh no. You seriously think I am saying this based off of 3 playoff games? He's been high end for many years going back to his last year with the Marlies.

There has not been a single season where Woll has been better than Swayman. Including the AHL lol.

So you’re basing it off of…. Nothing?

 

[HockeyVirus]

There has not been a single season where Woll has been better than Swayman. Including the AHL lol.

So you’re basing it off of…. Nothing?

What do you base this off of? Just reading statlines basically?

 

[nbwingsfan]

What do you base this off of? Just reading statlines basically?

What the hell do YOU base it off of?

 

[My3Sons]

No team is offering a more effective cheaper and younger player. Ottawa loses a trade for Tkachuck. Do people post these value of threads expecting to be offered McDavid with 50% retained after he signs his 8 year extension with EDM? Tkachuk will be a Senator for thr foreseeable future . Maybe if the team is struggling as his contract is winding down and he says he won’t extend with them they will be forced to move him but it won’t be a bonanza. Probably a low first a good but not great prospect and a middle of the roster player. Guys like him don’t move often.

 

[Barsky]

Did you also predict Lucic and Backes would both destroy their bodies and become pretty useless?

Jamie Benn is a big guy who dropped off. Oh look at Eric Lindros, Tom Wilson

This idea that big guy = durable is undeniably false


What did both Matthew and Brady Tkachuck do when they were 24?


There has not been a single season where Woll has been better than Swayman. Including the AHL lol.

So you’re basing it off of…. Nothing?

I'm not saying big=durable, it's not that simple obviously. I'm saying that when you compare 2 guys who play the exact same game (Brady averages more than double the hits per game though tbf) the bigger one will have less impact on his body in each collision, this is basic physics. Played out over thousands of hits, it takes a toll. Everyone is built different though, so that doesn't mean alot of you are Lindros and get railroaded by an even bigger man cause you don't pay attention. In this case though, the 2 being compared they share the same gene pool, so ya, it's very pertinent. It's a trend and it's indicative of a certain thing, but that by no means makes it guaranteed, it just swings the odds in favour.
Matthew scored 7 more goals than Brady at 24, playing with a 115 point Gaudreau vs Brady playing with a 70 point Stutzle. I guess that makes Brady worthless in your mind, cool, I'm done with this

Woll being better than Sway is like saying Knies will be the best power forward in the league, Pejorative Slured blue homerism at it's finest. Toronto is the centre of it's own little universe and reality can rarely penetrate that echo chamber of anti facts. It's always fun talking to Leafers isn't it? lol

 

[nbwingsfan]

I'm not saying big=durable, it's not that simple obviously. I'm saying that when you compare 2 guys who play the exact same game (Brady averages more than double the hits per game though tbf) the bigger one will have less impact on his body in each collision, this is basic physics. Played out over thousands of hits, it takes a toll. Everyone is built different though, so that doesn't mean alot of you are Lindros and get railroaded by an even bigger man cause you don't pay attention. In this case though, the 2 being compared they share the same gene pool, so ya, it's very pertinent. It's a trend and it's indicative of a certain thing, but that by no means makes it guaranteed, it just swings the odds in favour.
Matthew scored 7 more goals than Brady at 24, playing with a 115 point Gaudreau vs Brady playing with a 70 point Stutzle. I guess that makes Brady worthless in your mind, cool, I'm done with this

Woll being better than Sway is like saying Knies will be the best power forward in the league, Pejorative Slured blue homerism at it's finest. Toronto is the centre of it's own little universe and reality can rarely penetrate that echo chamber of anti facts. It's always fun talking to Leafers isn't it? lol

Scored 7 more goals and like 30 more points*

It’s not even close who was the better of the two.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Woll being better than Sway is like saying Knies will be the best power forward in the league, Pejorative Slured blue homerism at it's finest. Toronto is the centre of it's own little universe and reality can rarely penetrate that echo chamber of anti facts. It's always fun talking to Leafers isn't it? lol

That’s dumb.
It’s hard to believe one types that and keeps a straight face.
It’s just for entertainment I guess.

It’s even funnier bringing up 2 different leaf players “points ” in a Tkachuk thread.

 

[Barsky]

Scored 7 more goals and like 30 more points*

It’s not even close who was the better of the two.

Sure lets' ignore who sets them up, what a joke second assists are, or any other stats for that matter, points are all that matters, that is all that a player is. And sure, just ignore all my other points and focus of the limited little bit you think you can refute. Vancouver has a guy you would love too then, makes under a mil and puts up points, the only thing that matters obviously, named Sprong, nm he's never met his own goalie and couldn't muscle his way out of a wet paper bag, those things don't get points. I'm done responding to you

That’s just dumb.
It’s hard to believe poster types that and keeps a straight face.
It’s just for entertainment I guess.

It’s even funnier bringing up 2 different leaf players “points ” in a Tkachuk thread.

We all have our little homerisms, but that Knies claim blew me away, lol

 

[KevinRedkey]

What the hell do YOU base it off of?

One wears a Leafs jersey, and the other doesn't.

That's literally the difference for him, and he doesn't even realize it. Lol

 

[Fatass]

Sens look like they will be the club of those three usual bottom feeding suspects in their division to get into the playoffs. Brady T would have enormous value but it makes no sense for them to trade him now. Sens look like they are a fast riser this year.