Value of: Brady Tkachuk

[Devils Trap]

If NJ was willing to offer Nemec, what else would be needed !?? Aside from NJ needing to figure out the cap

 

[HockeyVirus]

lol, he’s not even the best leaf goalie.

Based on what, 5 games? Yes he is.

 

[Shark Finn]

OP isn’t the bad guy, NyQuil. He’s misguided

@Agent Zuuuub the Sens aren’t missing the playoffs, you have my word

So they trade Stützle to the Sharks as you predicted and make the playoffs?

 

[Coffee]

So they trade Stützle to the Sharks as you predicted and make the playoffs?

I’m not the bad guy, Finn. I’m not the bad guy

 

[Barsky]

Over three entire seasons, Brady has played a whopping 9 regular season games.

Over that time span, Matthew has played an extra like 50 playoff games.

So no, Matthew actually has more games played.

And completely useless? You mean the playoffs were hd 11g and 24pts in 20 games? With like 6 GWG?

I’m actually curious if you even watch hockey?

Brady has played 9 games in the last 3 seasons?? You wanna try that again? And my bad, I meant the actual cup final, when he was playing with a broken sternum, for the 4 games he actually played in and only had 1 goal, or do you not watch hockey either?

 

[Barsky]

NHL GMs value physicality, but not when Matthew Tkachuk is already plenty physical enough.

Matthew Tkachuk is excellent defensively
Brady Tkachuk is poor defensively

"durability" Matthew has played virtually every game the last 6 years, including a number of deep playoff runs.

Brady Tkachuk is more physical, but what does it accomplish. You win hockey games by generating offense and stopping the other team from doing so. Physicality can be used as a tool to accomplish that, but end the end, what matters is the end result.

Matthew Tkachuk is significantly better at generating offense, and significantly better at defense. Making him a significantly better hockey player


Onto this point, an "extended Rantanen" isn't real in the offseason.

Some examples of these trades are Guentzel for a 3rd round pick or severson for a 3rd round pick.

Colorado doesn't have any control.

If you would give up Brady Tkachuk+ for a guy you could get for free by just waiting a week, you would be the worst GM in NHL history, by far.

And if your thought process is that Rantanen wouldn't sign in Ottawa but would sign in Colorado, let me introduce you to something called an NMC, which Rantanen's contract will 100% have and block any kind of bait and switch by colorado like this

They lost that first cup final in part cause Matthew was so badly hurt(broken sternum) and was a shadow of himself when he actually did play. He's already missed half of Florida's games so far this year btw, which I believe falls under the category of "the last 6 years". Significantly better on offense is a stretch, but better, sure. They both made their teams in their draft year, broke 30 goals in the 3rd year, ppg in their 4th and both have averaged 30 goals/82 games on their careers so far, not to mention the fact Brady is besting him in every offensive category so far in this albeit very young season. Timmy is great, but he is not prime Gaudreau(RIP) offensively, nor current Barkov, yet, so ya, "significant" is a stretch

 

[Barsky]

NHL GMs value physicality, but not when Matthew Tkachuk is already plenty physical enough.

Matthew Tkachuk is excellent defensively
Brady Tkachuk is poor defensively

"durability" Matthew has played virtually every game the last 6 years, including a number of deep playoff runs.

Brady Tkachuk is more physical, but what does it accomplish. You win hockey games by generating offense and stopping the other team from doing so. Physicality can be used as a tool to accomplish that, but end the end, what matters is the end result.

Matthew Tkachuk is significantly better at generating offense, and significantly better at defense. Making him a significantly better hockey player


Onto this point, an "extended Rantanen" isn't real in the offseason.

Some examples of these trades are Guentzel for a 3rd round pick or severson for a 3rd round pick.

Colorado doesn't have any control.

If you would give up Brady Tkachuk+ for a guy you could get for free by just waiting a week, you would be the worst GM in NHL history, by far.

And if your thought process is that Rantanen wouldn't sign in Ottawa but would sign in Colorado, let me introduce you to something called an NMC, which Rantanen's contract will 100% have and block any kind of bait and switch by colorado like this

As far as your second point, you mistakenly ignored the fact Patrick said extended and are now just try to stick a square peg into a round hole and moving the goal posts. Imagine Rantanen did the exact same thing Matthew did as far as the sign and trade, it's not a stretch, and obviously Sakic wouldn't do to him what Muckler did to Hossa

 

[dgibb10]

As far as your second point, you mistakenly ignored the fact Patrick said extended and are now just try to stick a square peg into a round hole and moving the goal posts. Imagine Rantanen did the exact same thing Matthew did as far as the sign and trade, it's not a stretch, and obviously Sakic wouldn't do to him what Muckler did to Hossa

Matthew Tkachuk was an RFA. In order to sign Matthew Tkachuk to that 9.5 mill contract without negotiating a trade, Florida would have had to put 4 unprotected 1st round picks on the table as an offer sheet, and even then Calgary would have just matched.

Mikko Rantanen will be a UFA. In order to sign Mikko Rantanen to a contract without negotiating a trade, Ottawa would have to put, checks notes, NOTHING on the table, and Colorado has no rights to match.

If you don't understand the difference between UFA rights and RFA rights, you aren't worth having a conversation with

 

[Golden_Jet]

Matthew Tkachuk was an RFA. In order to sign Matthew Tkachuk to that 9.5 mill contract without negotiating a trade, Florida would have had to put 4 unprotected 1st round picks on the table as an offer sheet, and even then Calgary would have just matched.

Mikko Rantanen will be a UFA. In order to sign Mikko Rantanen to a contract without negotiating a trade, Ottawa would have to put, checks notes, NOTHING on the table, and Colorado has no rights to match.

If you don't understand the difference between UFA rights and RFA rights, you aren't worth having a conversation with

Ottawa is not reading Brady, like NJ isn’t likely to trade Jack Hughes.
They are building around those players.

 

[dgibb10]

They lost that first cup final in part cause Matthew was so badly hurt(broken sternum) and was a shadow of himself when he actually did play. He's already missed half of Florida's games so far this year btw, which I believe falls under the category of "the last 6 years". Significantly better on offense is a stretch, but better, sure. They both made their teams in their draft year, broke 30 goals in the 3rd year, ppg in their 4th and both have averaged 30 goals/82 games on their careers so far, not to mention the fact Brady is besting him in every offensive category so far in this albeit very young season. Timmy is great, but he is not prime Gaudreau(RIP) offensively, nor current Barkov, yet, so ya, "significant" is a stretch

The panthers are scoring 7.5 goals/60 5v5 with Matthew Tkachuk on the ice and generating 5.2 xgoals/60 (3.39 and 2.5 for brady)

Those marks are 1st and 2nd in the league respectively for Matthew, and DOUBLE Brady.


And just a simple look over the last 3 years.

302 points for matthew

224 for brady

Not f***ing close.

It's about the same as the points gap between Brady and Conor Garland.

Ottawa is not reading Brady, like NJ isn’t likely to trade Jack Hughes.
They are building around those players.

Do you even read posts?

Brady Tkachuk was not even mentioned in the post you quoted.

It was about the difference between RFA and UFA rights.

 

[Barsky]

If NJ was willing to offer Nemec, what else would be needed !?? Aside from NJ needing to figure out the cap

Nemec wasn't even good enough to be a Devil this year, after spending the whole last season up(Hamilton being hurt obviously being the reason), he's a Comet now, so that's hurt his value and there would need to be even more added to compensate

Matthew Tkachuk was an RFA. In order to sign Matthew Tkachuk to that 9.5 mill contract without negotiating a trade, Florida would have had to put 4 unprotected 1st round picks on the table as an offer sheet, and even then Calgary would have just matched.

Mikko Rantanen will be a UFA. In order to sign Mikko Rantanen to a contract without negotiating a trade, Ottawa would have to put, checks notes, NOTHING on the table, and Colorado has no rights to match.

If you don't understand the difference between UFA rights and RFA rights, you aren't worth having a conversation with

All that means is Rantanen gets done b4 July 1 instead of after like Matthew, utter semantics when the end result is the same, a player signed to an 8 year deal with terms agreeable to his new team, give it a rest

 

[Barsky]

The panthers are scoring 7.5 goals/60 5v5 with Matthew Tkachuk on the ice and generating 5.2 xgoals/60 (3.39 and 2.5 for brady)

Those marks are 1st and 2nd in the league respectively for Matthew, and DOUBLE Brady.


And just a simple look over the last 3 years.

302 points for matthew

224 for brady

Not f***ing close.

It's about the same as the points gap between Brady and Conor Garland.


Do you even read posts?

Brady Tkachuk was not even mentioned in the post you quoted.

It was about the difference between RFA and UFA rights.

Compare things using their respective career years, like I did, so it's actually fair, or do it your way to manipulate things to look more in favour of your argument. Compare Matthew's last 3 years to Brady's current and next two, they're not the same age or at the same stage of their careers, is that somehow lost on you?

 

[dgibb10]

Nemec wasn't even good enough to be a Devil this year, after spending the whole last season up(Hamilton being hurt obviously being the reason), he's a Comet now, so that's hurt his value and there would need to be even more added to compensate

All that means is Rantanen gets done b4 July 1 instead of after like Matthew, utter semantics when the end result is the same, a player signed to an 8 year deal with terms agreeable to his new team, give it a rest

The difference is CONTROL.

Ways to acquire Matthew Tkachuk in that offseason:
-Offer Sheet: Cost=4 1sts
-Trade: Cost=Huberdeau+Weegar+1st

Ways to acquire Mikko Rantanen this coming offseason:
-UFA Signing: COST=NOTHING

Compare things using their respective career years, like I did, so it's actually fair, or do it your way to manipulate things to look more in favour of your argument. Compare Matthew's last 3 years to Brady's current and next two, they're not the same age or at the same stage of their careers, is that somehow lost on you?

Matthew Tkachuk at 24 had a 42 goal 104 point season while playing elite defensively.

So Brady just needs to go back in time, add 30 points to his production last year, and go from poor defensively to elite defensively.

24 year old Matthew Tkachuk: 104 points elite defense
24 year old Brady Tkachuk: 74 points poor defense
24 year old Fabian Zetterlund: 44 points poor defense

Fabian Zetterlund is basically brady tkachuk tbh

 

[Barsky]

The difference is CONTROL.

Ways to acquire Matthew Tkachuk in that offseason:
-Offer Sheet: Cost=4 1sts
-Trade: Cost=Huberdeau+Weegar+1st

Ways to acquire Mikko Rantanen this coming offseason:
-UFA Signing: COST=NOTHING


Matthew Tkachuk at 24 had a 42 goal 104 point season while playing elite defensively.

Cherry picking one season where they had the biggest difference, and still stuck on semantics to make yourself feel right. I know how RFA's, w/arb rights and without, UFA's, group 6-ers, etc. all work, probably better than you, but sure, keep ignoring the fact you missed he said extended and focus on tangential details that mean nothing to the actual point, cool, take care

 

[The Crypto Guy]

You can have Mika back.

 

[dgibb10]

Cherry picking one season where they had the biggest difference, and still stuck on semantics to make yourself feel right. I know how RFA's, w/arb rights and without, UFA's, group 6-ers, etc. all work, probably better than you, but sure, keep ignoring the fact you missed he said extended and focus on tangential details that mean nothing to the actual point, cool, take care

It's literally Brady's most recent season, and then Matthew at that same age lmao.

there is 1 singular occasion in NHL history of the scenario you are trying to describe

Damon Severson for a 3rd round pick because Damon really wanted the 8th year.

 

[dgibb10]

Cherry picking one season where they had the biggest difference, and still stuck on semantics to make yourself feel right. I know how RFA's, w/arb rights and without, UFA's, group 6-ers, etc. all work, probably better than you, but sure, keep ignoring the fact you missed he said extended and focus on tangential details that mean nothing to the actual point, cool, take care

he can say "extended" all he wants. He's still a moron if he'd trade massive assets for someone he can get for free.

None of you have answered this one simple question.

If Mikko Rantanen wants to play in Ottawa, why not simply sign him for free as a UFA?

 

[nbwingsfan]

lol, he’s not even the best leaf goalie.


lol, what?

9 regular season games more*

Acting like Matthew is some kind of injury prone magnet is just plain false.

He’s played like 40 more games than Brady over the last 3 seasons.

Brady has played 9 games in the last 3 seasons?? You wanna try that again? And my bad, I meant the actual cup final, when he was playing with a broken sternum, for the 4 games he actually played in and only had 1 goal, or do you not watch hockey either?

And 9 regular season games more*

Matthew has played way more games than Brady over the same time span if we include playoffs.

And oh no he got injured after a long grueling playoff run just like… every player in the NHL essentially?

Clearly that shows he’s going to be inured for the remainder of his career

 

[nbwingsfan]

Based on what, 5 games? Yes he is.

Wait… you mean like the same sample size you’re using to say Woll > Swayman

Dude just give it up lol

 

[nbwingsfan]

They lost that first cup final in part cause Matthew was so badly hurt(broken sternum) and was a shadow of himself when he actually did play. He's already missed half of Florida's games so far this year btw, which I believe falls under the category of "the last 6 years". Significantly better on offense is a stretch, but better, sure. They both made their teams in their draft year, broke 30 goals in the 3rd year, ppg in their 4th and both have averaged 30 goals/82 games on their careers so far, not to mention the fact Brady is besting him in every offensive category so far in this albeit very young season. Timmy is great, but he is not prime Gaudreau(RIP) offensively, nor current Barkov, yet, so ya, "significant" is a stretch

“Half the games the season” is such a hilarious line when we’re still in October.

five. He’s missed 5 games.

And you do realize that they don’t even come close to the finals without him and that he was the likely Conn Smythe winner for them had they won?

What has Brady led the Sens to again?

Nvm that Matthew then literally was a top player for them on a cup with the very next season?

It’s shocking you’re still going on about this.

Matthew >>> Brady to anyone who isn’t an insanely homer fan

34 more points in 9 less games is significant, BTW.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Ottawa went full teardown and rebuild 5 years ago, so apparently we do have the patience

Why is there a B Tkachuk value thread created?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Compare things using their respective career years, like I did, so it's actually fair, or do it your way to manipulate things to look more in favour of your argument. Compare Matthew's last 3 years to Brady's current and next two, they're not the same age or at the same stage of their careers, is that somehow lost on you?

What the hell does what they did at 19 have a single barring on who they are now? lol.

There’s one person in here who thinks Brady is more valuable.

And it’s you.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Nemec wasn't even good enough to be a Devil this year, after spending the whole last season up(Hamilton being hurt obviously being the reason), he's a Comet now, so that's hurt his value and there would need to be even more added to compensate

All that means is Rantanen gets done b4 July 1 instead of after like Matthew, utter semantics when the end result is the same, a player signed to an 8 year deal with terms agreeable to his new team, give it a rest

Poster is known for moving goalposts constantly (then denies it lol), and a lot of them are disengenious as well.

I just enjoy the entertainment provided.

Why is there a B Tkachuk value thread created?

It’s a Sens poster that hates him.

 

[Barsky]

“Half the games the season” is such a hilarious line when we’re still in October.

five. He’s missed 5 games.

And you do realize that they don’t even come close to the finals without him and that he was the likely Conn Smythe winner for them had they won?

What has Brady led the Sens to again?

Nvm that Matthew then literally was a top player for them on a cup with the very next season?

It’s shocking you’re still going on about this.

Matthew >>> Brady to anyone who isn’t an insanely homer fan

34 more points in 9 less games is significant, BTW.

It was very good evidence that your statement of him playing almost every game for the last 6 years was so laughably false. 34 points over 3 seasons, while not adjusting for their ages and Brady's upward trajectory is not "significant", sorry, especially when they score goals at the exact same pace over their careers, then it's just disingenuous stat manipulation. My initial point is Brady is now and will prove to be more and more so as their careers progress, more durable and anyone who knows hockey knows the most important ability is availability. We both agree Matt is better, but you don't understand what Matt's game will do to his body long term vs Brady, who again, could dummy Matt, which makes GM's drool. I made these same predictions about how Weber's offer sheet contract destroyed his value and with his game he'd be long retired b4 it was done, and I met with the same short sighted myopic arguments. Done now, take care

Why is there a B Tkachuk value thread created?

Cause every team and every fanbase wants him and for good reason. Also, it's HFBoards, lol, you new here? (I know you're not)

 

[Barsky]

You can have Mika back.

That's a common sentiment these days, lol. I'm pretty sure I know why, but tell me your reasoning, cause I'm sure a lot of non Rangers and Sens fans wouldn't really understand given his offensive stats