Brady Tkachuk vs Mitch Marner
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Can't think of a more insecure fanbase than the Sens. Just enjoy Brady Tkachuk.
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At what cap hit?
I’m guess in Leafs fans take Marner, Sens fans take Brady, but I guess we’ll see
We had Melnyk and Dorion. It will take time to heal.
I’m guess in Leafs fans take Marner, Sens fans take Brady, but I guess we’ll see
Injured fan base.
We had Melnyk and Dorion. It will take time to heal.
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Jimmy Firecracker
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Brady Tkachuk has a sub 40% xGoals share so far this year and ottawa is generating a pitiful 1.28xgoals/60 while he's on the ice 5v5.
Jimmy Firecracker
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Mitch Marner Vs Brady Tkachuk for the future
Mitch Marner for points, and he will generate offence, but I think a lot of people also value, a guy that is much bigger toughter and can also put up points despite, clearly Tkachuk is not as good as Marner offensively, people will rather him, plus hes 3 years younger.
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Oh wait you aren’t OP. Were you being sarcastic? I may have whooshed here.
BradyTkachucky
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What does this mean when comparing the two over the last 169 games instead of 5?
3.4 xGF, 55.79% xGF% for Brady Tkachuk.
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If you were making a team for 2024 wouldn't you want to use prior information as well?
I would, but then I would also highlight the massive point gap over that span as well.
Tkachuk is an excellent offensive play driver 5v5, but is not nearly as good a shooter, and is lightyears below as a PP weapon, and struggles defensively.
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I don't know that I would say 25 points over that time span is massive but it is a gap. That's fair, I thought the xGF argument was a weird and cherry picked one. I'd add that Brady is a good shooter in his own right and a better goal scorer.
Brady Tkachuk has underperformed his chance quality (by a relatively significant margin) every year of his career. But maybe finisher is a better word than shooter.
Brady Tkachuk and a lot of the other sens top guys also have their point totals boosted by the fact that the sens play a very low disciplined game both ways. Ottawa has had more PP opportunities than any other team by a pretty sizeable margin over that time.
They also take a ton of penalties.
But PP goals for show up on the stat sheet of the players. PK goals allowed don't show up on anyone's stat sheet (unless you dig deep into their PK metrics) but the goalie.
Now, I do give credit to the sens who draw more than they take (Stutzle especially), but Marner and Tkachuk have fairly similar penalty differentials (+14 vs +16) over the time span you mentioned, so it doesn't give a major edge to tkachuk in these discussions.
TheDoldrums
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Marner sucks in the playoffs (50 points in 57 games). Give me a playoff warrior like Brady Tkachuk instead (0 points in 0 games).
Golden_Jet
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I’d say the habs, after all their chest thumping in the summer.
Or some of the posts on the mains a few games in, like is Reinhart the best player in the NHL now.
We did, only differences was, other one said future.
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Golden_Jet
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Since you seem to like xG per 60 type stats.
Sens are third in the league in xGA/60 in another small sample size.
What do you think 5v5 xGoals metrics have to do with the fact that that ottawa's games have had more PP opportunities (both ways) than any other teams over the past 2 years?
PP goals go on players statsheets.
When you give one up on the PK it counts on nobody's statsheet (not even as a -) but the goalie.
Let's use an example
Ottawas PP over the last 2 years has 123 goals on 589 attempts (20.8%), and has given up 120 goals on 541 attempts
Vegas PP over the last 2 years has 93 goals on 459 attempts (22.8%), and has given up 88 goals on 408 attempts.
Now, even tho Vegas PP is more efficient, and overall is getting more benefit from their special teams, that is around 75-80 ish extra points distributed to the likes of Tkachuk, Stutzle, Batherson, Giroux, etc etc, inflating their stats.
Golden_Jet
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that the sens play a very low disciplined game both ways.
It was a counter to your original posts on this year only. But if you want to move the goalposts from what you were talking about earlier, go ahead.
It was a valid counter, being third in the league at xGA/60.
Not to mention that 5 on 5 is about 75% of every game. Nobody cares how Ottawas PP was 2 years ago and has zero to do with what you were talking about and what I replied to.
But since you’re concerned with it those PP goals place Ottawa 16th in the league.
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Last thread on this that I remember was from two seasons ago, and I wanted to see if opinions had changed since. Apologies if there was a recent one, I didn't see it.
Golden_Jet
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Here is the other one , started a month ago. Both are on page 1 of mains
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Mitch Marner Vs Brady Tkachuk for the future
Which player do you take for the future? Brady Tkachuk 8,20 million to 27/28 Mitch Marner 10,9 million to 24/25
