Brady Tkachuk vs Alexis Lafreniere

[EdJovanovski]

Who’s better

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[Kupo]

Who’s better

BT's put up back to back to back 30G+ season's. But, 30% of his production comes on the PP. I'd assume Laf would put up similar production if he was getting the same ice time, but he's nowhere as physical. Laf has a slightly higher offensive ceiling, but Brady's better.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Who’s better

Who’s better Will Cuylle or Brady Tkachuk

 

[Regal]

BT's put up back to back to back 30G+ season's. But, 30% of his production comes on the PP. I'd assume Laf would put up similar production if he was getting the same ice time, but he's nowhere as physical. Laf has a slightly higher offensive ceiling, but Brady's better.

Their 5v5 scoring is essentially the same since the start of last year so I guess the question is whether Laf would produce as much in those PP minutes. Brady has been good but not so efficient on the PP that it’s unreasonable to expect Laf to match it, but so far Laf hasn’t produced well in his PP minutes at all. Only 10 points in 225 minutes the past three years. Though not much of that has been on the first unit

 

[joestevens29]

Why is he being compared to everyone?

 

[Fatass]

Who’s better

Tkatchuk and it’s not even close. BT is the superior player, and by a lot, in every way.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

As of today the answer is Brady. But Brady is also 2 yrs older. In two more seasons I really think a case could be made for Alexis

 

[Hisch13r]

Tkachuk’s better. Laf could end up better but he isn’t

 

[Hisch13r]

Their 5v5 scoring is essentially the same since the start of last year so I guess the question is whether Laf would produce as much in those PP minutes. Brady has been good but not so efficient on the PP that it’s unreasonable to expect Laf to match it, but so far Laf hasn’t produced well in his PP minutes at all. Only 10 points in 225 minutes the past three years. Though not much of that has been on the first unit

You also can’t just compare their 5v5 scoring and not acknowledge that Laf’s been stapled to Panarin. Tkachuk also has the better 5v5 P/60 while having a lower secondary assist rate.

2.36 vs 2.17. Primary pt rate is 2.07 vs 1.77

 

[noncents]

i'm surprised how close this discussion is

 

[Regal]

You also can’t just compare their 5v5 scoring and not acknowledge that Laf’s been stapled to Panarin. Tkachuk also has the better 5v5 P/60 while having a lower secondary assist rate.

2.36 vs 2.17. Primary pt rate is 2.07 vs 1.77

The rates are better but the difference in actual minutes and performance are so minor I didn’t bother mentioning it. Tkachuk has played about 70 fewer minutes and has 2 more 5v5 points, and 5 more 5v5 primary points. I’d say it’s within typical variance range, though Tkachuk has the better track record anyway so it’s probably giving Laf the benefit of the doubt too much. Panarin is a factor as well (though Stutzle is no slouch), so it probably all adds up in Tkachuk’s favour.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You also can’t just compare their 5v5 scoring and not acknowledge that Laf’s been stapled to Panarin. Tkachuk also has the better 5v5 P/60 while having a lower secondary assist rate.

2.36 vs 2.17. Primary pt rate is 2.07 vs 1.77

I think playing with Panarin also hurts Laf's defensive numbers. That guy is a terrible defensive influence. I think it has made Lafreniere play worse defense because he sees the example of Panarin being able to play no defense because he's one of the best offensive players in the league.

 

[DitchMarner]

I think playing with Panarin also hurts Laf's defensive numbers. That guy is a terrible defensive influence. I think it has made Lafreniere play worse defense because he sees the example of Panarin being able to play no defense because he's one of the best offensive players in the league.

How long has that been the case?

Wasn't he quite good defensively and offensively in '19-'20 playing with lackluster linemates? IIRC, some had him in the Hart conversation that year.

He has become more one-dimensional since then?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

How long has that been the case?

Wasn't he quite good defensively and offensively in '19-'20 playing with lackluster linemates? IIRC, some had him in the Hart conversation that year.

He has become more one-dimensional since then?

He was good defensively in the sense that he literally always had the puck, so he didn't ever have to play any defense. He's always been low effort with back-checking and stuff like that.

He's not that dominant at controlling play now. Still a great offensive player with what he can do for scoring and assisting goals, but hasn't retained the possession tilting ability he had at his best.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

He was good defensively in the sense that he literally always had the puck, so he didn't ever have to play any defense. He's always been low effort with back-checking and stuff like that.

He's not that dominant at controlling play now. Still a great offensive player with what he can do for scoring and assisting goals, but hasn't retained the possession tilting ability he had at his best.

It’s also weird how much it’s purposeful- they’ll have him cheating at the blue line, just trying to time the breakout instead of a full 5-v-5 effort to regain control, then head up ice.

Anywho, Chunk wins.