Proposal: Brady Tkachuk to NYR at the draft

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Ok. Haha. Its the internet. I get it.

I was gonna let this one fade but every rection is a bunch of Jokers laughing.

So, let me get this straight.

Fox, Lafrienere, Othmann, + 1st for Tkachuck is wholey agreed upon a ridiculous over payment. With most saying Fox ALONE is worth more than Tkachuk by himself.

So....Lafrienere + 1st (minus Othmann my proposal) PLUS the difference between Fox/Tkachuk isnt worth Sanderson?

All the Jokers unanimously agree that:
Lafrienere + 1st + Fox's differential isnt worth Sanderson?

I mean. Debate the value. Come back with.."Well, we'd need xxx because roster..."

But just straight haha emojies? That many?

Grow up. Its not THAT wild of a proposal.

Just admit your proposal was terrible.

Losing Sandy and Brady would kill Ottawa as a franchise. Simple as that.

 

[Grinner]

Ok. Haha. Its the internet. I get it.

I was gonna let this one fade but every rection is a bunch of Jokers laughing.

So, let me get this straight.

Fox, Lafrienere, Othmann, + 1st for Tkachuck is wholey agreed upon a ridiculous over payment. With most saying Fox ALONE is worth more than Tkachuk by himself.

So....Lafrienere + 1st (minus Othmann my proposal) PLUS the difference between Fox/Tkachuk isnt worth Sanderson?

All the Jokers unanimously agree that:
Lafrienere + 1st + Fox's differential isnt worth Sanderson?

I mean. Debate the value. Come back with.."Well, we'd need xxx because roster..."

But just straight haha emojies? That many?

Grow up. Its not THAT wild of a proposal.

Go away or you'll force us to taunt you a 2nd time

 

[Halakitlikethat]

If I am Ottawa there wouldn’t be anything NYR would give that would make me give them Tkachuk. I wouldn’t take their whole team in a trade for him.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...so would the plan be to just have Sloth and Miller run around trying to start fights and win that way??...cuz in hockey, you no win with more penalty time, you win with more goals...

 

[toolshed]

If I am Ottawa there wouldn’t be anything NYR would give that would make me give them Tkachuk. I wouldn’t take their whole team in a trade for him.

And thats why your team sucks

 

[toolshed]

Guys BTs value is the highest it’ll ever be. It would cost a fortune and a price that most wouldn’t be able to stomach to acquire him. It would be Fox + Shesterkin. Brady just became one of the most valuable players on the planet after this tournament. He’s not for sale unless you’re offering something we simply couldn’t refuse.

pass along what you're smoking

 

[Ignatius]

All the Rangers players were generally awful at 4 Nations so I don't see why Ottawa would want anything from them in exchange for arguably the best American player from 4 Nations.

 

[Dfence033]

All the Rangers players were generally awful at 4 Nations so I don't see why Ottawa would want anything from them in exchange for arguably the best American player from 4 Nations.

Because good teams don’t generally evaluate a player on a 2-4 game sample size when they have a decade of NHL experience to evaluate instead?

Brady is getting massively overrated because of a 4 games stapled to much better players and starting a fight.

One player has a career PPG in the NHL of 0.85, has won the award recognizing them as the best player at their position, and been a finalist multiple years in a row for the same, and is one of the best defenders players in the league.

The other has a career PPG in the NHL of 0.79, has never been nominated or a finalist for any award, is not one of the best defenders at his position, and a reasonable case could be made that he isn’t in the top 5 of his position in his own division, and plays a historically far less valuable position baring all-time greats. But just had a 4 game sample size where he scored 0.75PPG next to two superior played and hits people.

The idea that one of the best defenders in hockey for half a decade isn’t worth a winger who has been PPG exactly one season in his career is insane.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Fox, Lafrienere, Othmann, + 1st for Tkachuck is wholey agreed upon a ridiculous over payment. With most saying Fox ALONE is worth more than Tkachuk by himself.

There is the joke right there.

Because good teams don’t generally evaluate a player on a 2-4 game sample size when they have a decade of NHL experience to evaluate instead?

Brady is getting massively overrated because of a 4 games stapled to much better players and starting a fight.

One player has a career PPG in the NHL of 0.85, has won the award recognizing them as the best player at their position, and been a finalist multiple years in a row for the same, and is one of the best defenders players in the league.

The other has a career PPG in the NHL of 0.79, has never been nominated or a finalist for any award, is not one of the best defenders at his position, and a reasonable case could be made that he isn’t in the top 5 of his position in his own division, and plays a historically far less valuable position baring all-time greats. But just had a 4 game sample size where he scored 0.75PPG next to two superior played and hits people.

The idea that one of the best defenders in hockey for half a decade isn’t worth a winger who has been PPG exactly one season in his career is insane.

Start a poll then, Brady and Fox, I’m taking Brady 7 days a week.

 

[Dfence033]

There is the joke right there.


Start a poll then, Brady and Fox, I’m taking Brady 7 days a week.

That’s great for you. Nearly ever NHL GM, scout, and executive would disagree, but that doesn’t make your opinion wrong. Neither does my disagreement with your opinion.

No GM who values their paycheck would trade a defenseman who actually defends and has multiple years of elite play as evidenced by his award wins and nominations for a winger whom he outscores because the winger is 17 months younger and hits people.

Brady is, by NHL standards, smack in the middle of his scoring prime as a winger, and physical wingers historically end their primes earlier than everyone else behind shot-blocking defenders.

Fox is, by NHL standards, smack in the middle of his scoring prime as a defender, and defenseman who rely on their heads more than their physical tools historically end their primes later than everyone else behind centers who do the same.

The NHL execs have established a very clear hierarchy of positional value, and it’s not hard to validate. Elite RHD are prized just behind elite centers, and with extremely rare exceptions like prime Ovechkin or Kucherov - players who annually challenge for MVPs - no winger is every on that pedestal.

From positional value alone, Brady is behind Fox. Add that he’s being outscored by the same elite defender, and while there are likely a handful that would vote for physicality and truculence, those people generally don’t have their salaries, reputations, and/or careers literally on the line for being wrong. Those that do take the RHD nearly every time when they have a choice, whether in drafting or trades.

 

[Golden_Jet]

That’s great for you. Nearly ever NHL GM, scout, and executive would disagree, but that doesn’t make your opinion wrong. Neither does my disagreement with your opinion.

No GM who values their paycheck would trade a defenseman who actually defends and has multiple years of elite play as evidenced by his award wins and nominations for a winger whom he outscores because the winger is 17 months younger and hits people.

Brady is, by NHL standards, smack in the middle of his scoring prime as a winger, and physical wingers historically end their primes earlier than everyone else behind shot-blocking defenders.

Fox is, by NHL standards, smack in the middle of his scoring prime as a defender, and defenseman who rely on their heads more than their physical tools historically end their primes later than everyone else behind centers who do the same.

The NHL execs have established a very clear hierarchy of positional value, and it’s not hard to validate. Elite RHD are prized just behind elite centers, and with extremely rare exceptions like prime Ovechkin or Kucherov - players who annually challenge for MVPs - no winger is every on that pedestal.

From positional value alone, Brady is behind Fox. Add that he’s being outscored by the same elite defender, and while there are likely a handful that would vote for physicality and truculence, those people generally don’t have their salaries, reputations, and/or careers literally on the line for being wrong. Those that do take the RHD nearly every time when they have a choice, whether in drafting or trades.

That’s great for you, that’s just your opinion, and I disagree with it, and you have no idea who a GM would take. Fox has not been as good the last year or so, and anyone who has watched him would agree.

 

[TGWL]

If I am Ottawa there wouldn’t be anything NYR would give that would make me give them Tkachuk. I wouldn’t take their whole team in a trade for him.

Settle down.

 

[miscs75]

Based on what JT Miller went for Ottawa should be ok with no more than a middle six forward, bottom pairing defenseman and pick.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

That 1 for 1 is the worst proposal I've seen in the last hour.

Norris winner for a guy who hasn't won shit

 

[Dfence033]

That’s great for you, that’s just your opinion, and I disagree with it, and you have no idea who a GM would take. Fox has not been as good the last year or so, and anyone who has watched him would agree.

Fox, the Norris-winning and annual nominee defenseman who “hasn’t been as good” this year is still outscoring the winger (in fewer games played) that you are trying to sell as a more valuable asset because… why? Make your case. The NHL has made mine.

I don’t disagree Fox hasn’t been as good this year. Where I disagree with you is that he is still a more valuable asset than Brady, despite that. Unless you amputate one of Fox’s legs or give him a lobotomy, I suspect that will be true the majority of their concurring years in the league.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Just a rebuttal to the clown saying fox is the worst skater in the league and jack is taller. I stood next to him and he didn't look as tall as me "5'11". Small these days for hockey.

He is a poor skater, ranks below the 50tj percentile

NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Skaters

NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics for skaters including skating speed, skating distance, shot speed, shot location, and zone time.

edge.nhl.com

 

[Golden_Jet]

And thats why your team sucks

Least there in a playoff spot, unlike the Rangers.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

that's alot for Brady, I dont think Brady will age well in this league with his play style. I think this makes Ottawa alot better. be hard to say no

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Rangers fans really took that tournament to heart. Did you know that Brady Tkachuk has 44 points in 56 games and in this season arguably his worst since his rookie season Adam Fox has 44 points I'm 55 games? Brady Tkachuk on a slightly better team this year is -2 and Adam Fox is +6. Adam Fox has one of the worst defenseman as his partner to boot. What an absolutely embarrassing proposal. I would not make a proposal on the main boards ever again it's that bad.

 

[bernmeister]

You'd be looking more at a 1 for 1 swap Fox for Tkachuk. This might be the worst proposal I've seen, and I lived through the Bernmeister era

bern says hi, still alive, still crushing it

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Least there in a playoff spot, unlike the Rangers.

Now do every other season of Fox's career.

 

[Leonardo87]

Rangers are not trading Fox. This has become a Fox Hunt, literally and has gone way off tangent. Time to move on…