Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[Agent Zuuuub]

Also Brady put the higher standards on himself as well.

If he wasn't ready he shouldn't have pushed for the big contract and the captaincy as hard as he did.

What's wrong with holding him to the standard of those things?

What's wrong with accountability?

 

[Answer]

Also Brady put the higher standards on himself as well.

If he wasn't ready he shouldn't have pushed for the big contract and the captaincy as hard as he did.

What's wrong with holding him to the standard of those things?

What's wrong with accountability?

Dude, don't use words that they probably don't even know the meaning of

 

[jbeck5]

Yes, and I'm encouraging you not to worry about it. Move on buddy! Thank you drive through.

Any time! I look forward to seeing jokes and senses of humours from you soonsssss.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Maybe I'm just better at forecasting :p.

Also, the numbers were bad when we were looking at them. The fact they got worse just makes my point more...but it was always valid. He was on pace for the worst amount of BAD Starts that you showed and had like an .890 sv% at the time. So when I was saying he was bad, you should have agreed, but you didn't.

I wonder why you aren't still preaching patience instead of blaming everything on the goaltending. It's only been a couple weeks. We can't be that fickle lol we need to remain consistent.

I get the impression that some people think they are Nostradamus, or a clairvoyant or something even when the predictions are more the low hanging fruit kind of thing. Then there is a need to keep repeating the same monolithic theme over and over.

Anyhow, I hope we get past the goalie & bad goals thing. Even good goalies let in some stinkers. A team is not of it if they are down a goal or 2. But, the good teams come back and score goals after a softie and provide goal support …. and ….. WIN. I think Green was talking about that in a recent presser. He mentioned situational awareness and how a team responds to bad ref calls or bad goals.

Anyhow, I think its more a fan thing to keep leaning on those crutches. I would expect and/or hope our coach and players aren’t thinking like that.

Edited: changed the word bad to good in the 2nd paragraph

 

[Wondercarrot]

Also Brady put the higher standards on himself as well.

If he wasn't ready he shouldn't have pushed for the big contract and the captaincy as hard as he did.

What's wrong with holding him to the standard of those things?

What's wrong with accountability?

lol
The big contact he is easily outperforming? That contract?

 

[Micklebot]

I get the impression that some people think they are Nostradamus, or a clairvoyant or something even when the predictions are more the low hanging fruit kind of thing. Then there is a need to keep repeating the same monolithic theme over and over.

Anyhow, I hope we get past the goalie & bad goals thing. Even bad goalies let in some stinkers. A team is not of it if they are down a goal or 2. But, the good teams come back and score goals after a softie and provide goal support …. and ….. WIN. I think Green was talking about that in a recent presser. He mentioned situational awareness and how a team responds to bad ref calls or bad goals.

Anyhow, I think its more a fan thing to keep leaning on those crutches. I would expect and/or hope our coach and players aren’t thinking like that.

Sure, good teams respond to bad breaks, and sometimes they can beat the odds. The problem we are having is we're having to beat the odds far too often and far too early in games.

Even if the goaltending was clicking, we wouldn't be rolling off wins like the Jets or 2022-23 Bruins, so there are still coachable moments for the skaters too, Green isn't going to say everything is perfect when it isn't and he's not going to throw the goalie under the bus either, so pointing to other areas we can improve isn't really evidence that goaltending has been the principle area of concern.

We are the 15th highest scoring team in the league. We were getting the goal support early in the season, that support has slipped a bit since, but not as far as you'd think, in the last 12 games played (since the 8-1 win over stl) we're 17th in goals per game (we wer 11th in the first 9 games thanks to two big outburst, the aforementioned StL game and the LAK game, both 8 goal games)

Goal support is an area we can improve on, but it's not been as bad as some would have you believe.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

lol
The big contact he is easily outperforming? That contract?

Is he?

Idk seems like any line he is on has a heck of a time trying to break even despite his stat line.

Not all points are created equal. Brady and Sébastien Aho have been pacing for similar totals last 3 years but they couldn't be more different in how they get them.

Aho's style gets wins, Bradys style is to make his stat line look good. Big difference.

 

[jbeck5]

I get the impression that some people think they are Nostradamus, or a clairvoyant or something even when the predictions are more the low hanging fruit kind of thing. Then there is a need to keep repeating the same monolithic theme over and over.

Anyhow, I hope we get past the goalie & bad goals thing. Even bad goalies let in some stinkers. A team is not of it if they are down a goal or 2. But, the good teams come back and score goals after a softie and provide goal support …. and ….. WIN. I think Green was talking about that in a recent presser. He mentioned situational awareness and how a team responds to bad ref calls or bad goals.

Anyhow, I think its more a fan thing to keep leaning on those crutches. I would expect and/or hope our coach and players aren’t thinking like that.

Do you mean the people that predicted that a bad team would be bad think they're Nostradamus or the people that predict good results from a bad team think they're Nostradamus?

I would agree that people that are predicting something good from something bad would think they might be clairvoyant.

But I agree that people who predict a bad team will be bad is low hanging fruit, but it's not exactly like anyone is bragging. They're just saying "see, I told you not to get your hopes up". I'm trying to help others not have a break down when we don't make the playoffs by showing people it's likely we don't make the playoffs...so it's not a total shock or disappointment. It's about having low expectations so that they're easily met or surpassed.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

What? Your posts don't even make any sense. The "Brady sucks" group is all the same, they project all their frustrations with the team onto Brady and then come up with the most paper thin arguments when someone rational tells them why they're wrong.

Hyperbole. Not sure I've read anywhere fans saying he sucks. Perhaps the worst I've read is he is not captain material.

He's a good player offensively. Micklebots post presents as much.

Don't think it's unfair for fans to criticize his defensive woes. Also don't think it's fair to trash the captain of your favorite team at any given chance.

I think it's just a culmination of 7 years of the lack of success that is getting to fans. The terrible start/losing streak also compounds the frustration.

Good offensive player? Yes

Plays with his heart on his sleeve? Yes

Good human outside of the rink? By all accounts, yes

Needs to shore up his defensive game? Yes

Easily rattled? Yes

Good captain? Up for debate.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Hyperbole. Not sure I've read anywhere fans saying he sucks. Perhaps the worst I've read is he is not captain material.

He's a good player offensively. Micklebots post presents as much.

Don't think it's unfair for fans to criticize his defensive woes. Also don't think it's fair to trash the captain of your favorite team at any given chance.

I think it's just a culmination of 7 years of the lack of success that is getting to fans. The terrible start/losing streak also compounds the frustration.

I'm not talking about legitimate criticism over his defensive game. I'm talking about the guys saying he should be traded, saying he shouldn't be captain, waiting for him to make mistakes so they can blast him for it, and questioning his effort that he puts in for the team.

 

[jbeck5]

Sure, good teams respond to bad breaks, and sometimes they can beat the odds. The problem we are having is we're having to beat the odds far too often and far too early in games.

Even if the goaltending was clicking, we wouldn't be rolling off wins like the Jets or 2022-23 Bruins, so there are still coachable moments for the skaters too, Green isn't going to say everything is perfect when it isn't and he's not going to throw the goalie under the bus either, so pointing to other areas we can improve isn't really evidence that goaltending has been the principle area of concern.

We are the 15th highest scoring team in the league. We were getting the goal support early in the season, that support has slipped a bit since, but not as far as you'd think, in the last 12 games played (since the 8-1 win over stl) we're 17th in goals per game (we wer 11th in the first 9 games thanks to two big outburst, the aforementioned StL game and the LAK game, both 8 goal games)

Goal support is an area we can improve on, but it's not been as bad as some would have you believe.

Interesting stats. We really need to improve our offense too which is why I'm surprised people tried to counter arguments about us not being skilled enough.

Those offensive numbers would either point to an average offensive team, or at the very least an inconsistent offensive team.

Yet when people suggested that if ever were to win a cup, we need to improve our skill by getting another game breaker or two, people argued against that idea.

Like you just said, even if our goaltending improved..and our defense has improved, were still not good enough to win a cup.

I'm curious where the previously Stanley Cup Winners ranked offensively( I will look when I have time) and also curious how people think we should plan to acquire that talent?

We either need a couple high picks, or we need to find a couple gems out of late round picks.

We don't have the depth and don't have the money to get depth...we need to draft it cheap and ASAP.

Unless the goal is to win the cup with 15th ranked offense, 10th ranked defense, and 10th ranked goaltending (because that's about where I see the cap of this team) which is probably good enough to finish 12th in the league if we played to our potential. Playoffs, sure. Cup? Doubtful.

 

[bicboi64]

When Tkachuk took his penalty in the first period it was a 'here we go again' moment.

But he locked in and scored sintead of taking another stupid penalty later in the game. He was kind of meh on the backcheck, but I want to see him focus on hitting, making the opponents blue paint his territory, and wreaking havoc in their zone because all those acts lead to us scoring more.

 

[jbeck5]

I'm not talking about legitimate criticism over his defensive game. I'm talking about the guys saying he should be traded, saying he shouldn't be captain, waiting for him to make mistakes so they can blast him for it, and questioning his effort that he puts in for the team.

- I would trade him for a clear win, otherwise I'd keep him.
-I'm not saying he should be stripped, but he may have been given captain too early. Would have preferred to keep stone as captain and have Brady be assistant.
-i would rather he don't make mistakes. I don't really blast him for mistakes though.
-i don't question his offensive effort, but rather his defensive effort. I record every game and often see him gliding on back checks...do you want me to load them and tag you every time I see him glide back?

I'm actually surprised some people are seeing him consistently work as hard in the defensive end as offensive end. I've never seen him coast for an offensive chance. He's always balls to the wall for those.

 

[jbeck5]

Sure, broken clock is right twice a day (unless it's digital...)


they got better after we looked at them, then they got worse. We're still talking about a 13 game sample, not particularly compelling,



I'm not saying we should dump Ullmark, I think he will bounce back eventually, but when talking about why we've lost the games we lost, I can point to the reason while still preaching patience. He hasn't played well, particularly during the skid. I expect he will eventually bounce back given the 300 or whatever it is career games of history we have to base expectations on, but I can't argue that since the Toronto game he's been brutal. Nothing inconsistent about my position.

Lol I wouldn't be so hard on yourself. Maybe if you make more predictions you'll be right more than twice a day

They've pretty much always been bad. Yup. Let's see after a few more games. Hopefully he goes hot for like 10 games.

Fair enough. We're both blaming goalies. We both have stated we'll be patient...but goaltending has been brutal and I won't make any excuse for it. It's put up or shut up time for him.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

- I would trade him for a clear win, otherwise I'd keep him.
-I'm not saying he should be stripped, but he may have been given captain too early. Would have preferred to keep stone as captain and have Brady be assistant.
-i would rather he don't make mistakes. I don't really blast him for mistakes though.
-i don't question his offensive effort, but rather his defensive effort. I record every game and often see him gliding on back checks...do you want me to load them and tag you every time I see him glide back?

I'm actually surprised some people are seeing him consistently work as hard in the defensive end as offensive end. I've never seen him coast for an offensive chance. He's always balls to the wall for those.

I watched him from the 100s last night and the guy was battling hard in the defensive zone all game.

The guy plays super physical, is running around hitting people all game, absorbing contact all game, and is also on a line with Stützle who plays incredibly fast so he has to keep up with him. He plays a very tiring style of hockey, and he does it for around 20 minutes a night.

It's not a lack of effort, it's about him picking his spots. Last night he was a lot more focused defensively, and that's what he's learning to do. He's trying to find that balance of still being able to what he does best with his physical presence and goal scoring while also focusing on defense.

It takes patience to become a complete player, especially when you have such a uniques skillset. Timmy is really rounding out his game this year, but he's also a lot more talented than Brady, and isn't running around trying to put guys through the boards all game.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Sure, good teams respond to bad breaks, and sometimes they can beat the odds. The problem we are having is we're having to beat the odds far too often and far too early in games.

Even if the goaltending was clicking, we wouldn't be rolling off wins like the Jets or 2022-23 Bruins, so there are still coachable moments for the skaters too, Green isn't going to say everything is perfect when it isn't and he's not going to throw the goalie under the bus either, so pointing to other areas we can improve isn't really evidence that goaltending has been the principle area of concern.

We are the 15th highest scoring team in the league. We were getting the goal support early in the season, that support has slipped a bit since, but not as far as you'd think, in the last 12 games played (since the 8-1 win over stl) we're 17th in goals per game (we wer 11th in the first 9 games thanks to two big outburst, the aforementioned StL game and the LAK game, both 8 goal games)

Goal support is an area we can improve on, but it's not been as bad as some would have you believe.

I just hope that the players and coaches have the fortitude and determination to keep working, and playing their system when they get down. I don’t think the coach will allow them to play with less intensity or to get away from their systems. Good teams can overcome a one or two goal (or whatever) deficit and often do regardless of the circumstances that created that deficit. If that happens earlier in the game, that increases the amount of time to get back into the game. That’s one of the things that makes them a good team. That’s all I was saying.

I think this is more of a fan thing (or some fans) than a player/coach thing.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Do you mean the people that predicted that a bad team would be bad think they're Nostradamus or the people that predict good results from a bad team think they're Nostradamus?

I would agree that people that are predicting something good from something bad would think they might be clairvoyant.

But I agree that people who predict a bad team will be bad is low hanging fruit, but it's not exactly like anyone is bragging. They're just saying "see, I told you not to get your hopes up". I'm trying to help others not have a break down when we don't make the playoffs by showing people it's likely we don't make the playoffs...so it's not a total shock or disappointment. It's about having low expectations so that they're easily met or surpassed.

Naw. I was talking about people making rather easy predictions and then pretending they are Nostradamus. Then of course the incessant repetition of the same point over and over.

 

[Senovision]

Tkachuk is an irreplaceable gem. It's true that the pot boils over once in a while and he has been intercepted by a linesman a few times before he went too far but for me better hot than tepid. He cares and hates to lose and by the time things happen the game is usually out of reach anyway. He's the complete package, the leader on and off the ice but unfortunately also has to be the policeman on the team when guys take liberties with his linemates it's just too bad he doesn't have a Neil and a Chara to back him up.

The only thing that actually surprises me about Chucky is that he's a better consistent scorer than I thought he'd be.

Me too I think a lot of the experts did not think he was going to be an 80 point guy.
He is looking better than his brother Matthew this year and Matthew makes over a million dollars a year more he is on pace for 25 goals.
Brady is on pace for 40 goals.
Matthew on pace for 65 points. Brady is on pace for 80 points.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Is he?

Idk seems like any line he is on has a heck of a time trying to break even despite his stat line.

Not all points are created equal. Brady and Sébastien Aho have been pacing for similar totals last 3 years but they couldn't be more different in how they get them.

Aho's style gets wins, Bradys style is to make his stat line look good. Big difference.

Yes. He is.
The rest of this post is not worth acknowledging.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I didn't create the comparison though.

I was just showing how the comparison was bad because Detroit actually had playoff success before Yzerman changed his game around , on top of the league being different.

The two situations are not comparable at all.

I used Yzerman because his transformation is pretty much the gold standard of a star turning into a superstar by adding to his toolkit. Kind of like how the Simpsons made "pulling a Homer" a thing for awhile. It's a figure of speech.

It wasn't meant to be a literal game by game comparison of the two players. More the best example of a caterpillar turning into a butterfly. For whatever reason, way too many people on here are way too literal about every single word posted here.


Quite frankly, if I didn't think Brady was capable of pulling it off, I wouldn't be pushing for it. Same way I don't pile on Pinto, because I know that kid is a typical 3C and people asking him to be more than that are asking for too much. Brady has it in him to be a lot more than he is.

 

[Tuna99]

Hyperbole. Not sure I've read anywhere fans saying he sucks. Perhaps the worst I've read is he is not captain material.

He's a good player offensively. Micklebots post presents as much.

Don't think it's unfair for fans to criticize his defensive woes. Also don't think it's fair to trash the captain of your favorite team at any given chance.

I think it's just a culmination of 7 years of the lack of success that is getting to fans. The terrible start/losing streak also compounds the frustration.

Good offensive player? Yes

Plays with his heart on his sleeve? Yes

Good human outside of the rink? By all accounts, yes

Needs to shore up his defensive game? Yes

Easily rattled? Yes

Good captain? Up for debate.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Brady was a lot better last night. More of that and we're looking better. Still things to work on but the guy played pretty hard all over the ice.

Sure, like he does most of the time.
This narrative of his defence is silly. Is he perfect, no - but this thread is over the top hysterical abt how he plays D.

 

[NyQuil]

Sure, like he does most of the time.
This narrative of his defence is silly. Is he perfect, no - but this thread is over the top hysterical abt how he plays D.

Maybe Craig Conroy is available.

 

[BankStreetParade]

I like how there's only like 2 people in this thread who think Brady's defense is good and everyone else is like "nah, it's not". So perfect for HFSens.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Also Brady put the higher standards on himself as well.

If he wasn't ready he shouldn't have pushed for the big contract and the captaincy as hard as he did.

What's wrong with holding him to the standard of those things?

What's wrong with accountability?

you realize, No-one takes you seriously anymore, with your Brady hate.
You hold one player accountable in the last several years.

fan duel has odds, on how long until the next shot at Brady.
He didn’t steal your puppy.