Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[NyQuil]

He could be completely wrong about this. You know how we know? Because he's not doing physical evaluations or looking over any imaging. He's giving educated guesses. Feel free to dismiss him but an educated guess is significantly better than reckless speculation.

It turned out that my reckless speculation was more accurate than his educated guess when it came to Laine.

I haven't dismissed the possibility entirely, see my previous post.

But it wouldn't paint Travis Green in a particularly good light, given his comments, not to mention our medical staff.

 

[Knave]

There is no way anyone is going to diagnose a player with equipment on, a loose fitting jersey and no CT scan or MRI. It could be a dislocation, it could be a sprain of some kind, it could be a bad bruise that hurts. We have no idea unless you are one of the doctors and nurses who will be sitting down with Tkachuk, talking to him and evaluating him.

As for the twitter doctor, I hope people like that are trolling or don't have egos. I've met people with egos who think they're always right and it can lead to disastrous consequences. You should always be open to saying "I don't know" or having your idea/plan questioned and criticized (within reason and by someone else knowledgeable in the field). We all make mistakes.

 

[Korpse]

You're giving the guy credit for what was obvious to everyone watching the game.

He said surgery was required. It wasn't.

Now he's saying Tkachuk requires surgery. Let's see if he goes 0 for 2.

That's not what he said about Laine, it's not what he said about Tkachuk. The issue isn't the information is being provided, the issue is how people are interpenetrating the information. With Tkachuk he said if the shoulder is being dislocated as easily as it appears, surgery could be inevitable and fully acknowledges that they will likely try other options before surgery if that is what is happening. With Laine there was a number of things he lsited that it could be and maintained that nobody will know until they had MRI results. From what I can see he never once said he would be out 4-6 months.

 

[NyQuil]

That's not what he said about Laine, it's not what he said about Tkachuk. The issue isn't the information is being provided, the issue is how people are interpenetrating the information. With Tkachuk he said if the shoulder is being dislocated as easily as it appears, surgery could be inevitable and fully acknowledges that they will likely try other options before surgery if that is what is happening. With Laine there was a number of things and maintained that nobody will know until they had MRI results. From what I can see he never once said he would be out 4-6 months.

That's fair, but the issue is that, in his role as a medical professional, he does have a responsibility commensurate with his authority as an expert.

The person who has spoken on the issue who has the most information at hand is Travis Green.

I'm curious to see what comes out tomorrow. It will say a lot about him.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

I can give you an educated guess (you’ll just have to trust me I suppose).

I saw the same videos. There was nothing suggesting any instability, but nothing excluding that either. Without benefit of an exam or imaging, an educated guess is still just a guess in this case. There are many possible “minor” injuries in the shoulder girdle that would have Brady leave the first game, try and play through it in the second game to have it re-aggravated and leave that game as well (whether precautionary or because he couldn’t continue, who knows). Maybe he needed advanced imaging today, maybe not. Obviously we hope it’s not a labral or serious ligamentous injury that might require surgery.

With Laine, the video clearly shows there was injury to at least one, probably two ligaments. In that case the MRI and specialist assessment would have determined whether or not surgery was needed. We won’t know if it’s a Norris situation (ie “you can try rehabbing it without surgery and see what happens”) or truly non-surgical

 

[NyQuil]

There are many possible “minor” injuries in the shoulder girdle that would have Brady leave the first game, try and play through it in the second game to have it re-aggravated and leave that game as well (whether precautionary or because he couldn’t continue, who knows).

What I don't understand is that Josh Norris is in his glass house of precautionary measures, but we don't extend the same courtesy to Tkachuk in pre-season?

That's what is so bizarre.

If a core player's shoulder even smelled slightly wrong, I'd pull them from game action for a few days in pre-season with our track record of shoulder injuries.

 

[Korpse]

That's fair, but the issue is that, in his role as a medical professional, he does have a responsibility commensurate with his authority as an expert.

The person who has spoken on the issue who has the most information at hand is Travis Green.

While I agree that he has a responsibility to consider as a doctor speculating on a social media platform, I do believe he takes his platform and profession seriously and provides caveats in his analysis. He is providing a unique insight that as a hockey fan can be difficult to find and I personally value that.

In regards to Green's comments I thought they were coy. Just said that he has to talk to the medical staff before he can comment further and that he doesn't expect to lose three players. Not a lot of reassurance there.

 

[NyQuil]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841533492733346112

Tkachuk is ok (along with Chabot and Stutzle).

 

[Burrowsaurus]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841533492733346112

Tkachuk is ok (along with Chabot and Stutzle).

Two games in a. Row tkatchuk is favouring his shoulder. Don’t look ok

 

[NyQuil]

Two games in a. Row tkatchuk is favouring his shoulder. Don’t look ok

Let's see if he plays in the next game.

I think he deserves a rest given the kid gloves we treat Norris with.

 

[DackellDuck]

I doubt the guy is an actual doctor.

Looks more like a troll account.

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[OD99]

Personally, I think they kept Brady out because of the hit to the head that caused the cut. It may have been when he took the Neanderthal down after the Stu hit.

Timmy looked OK when he went off as well, but I am happy they took extra precautions.

No idea what happened to Chabot.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Two games in a. Row tkatchuk is favouring his shoulder. Don’t look ok

There is a big difference between discomfort, pain, and injury.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

There is a big difference between discomfort, pain, and injury.

As Billy Bob put it on Friday Night Lights...

"Are you hurt or any you injured?"

"Huh? What's the difference coach?"

"If you're hurt, GET UP. If you're injured, get the f*** off the field!"

 

[BigRig4]

Was Brady actually favouring his shoulder last night? He seemed fine going off besides the cut on his face?

 

[NyQuil]

Was Brady actually favouring his shoulder last night? He seemed fine going off besides the cut on his face?

I mean, after a fight you often see guys stretching their arms around.

I think it was that, in combination with the Pittsburgh thing, and the fact that he didn't return, that raised eyebrows.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

No idea what happened to Chabot.

I think it was cold and damp and he didn't dress accordingly.