Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk: Episode 4 - A new hope

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Does anybody know what percentage of teams that picked dead last actually won the first overall pick?

Haven't checked, but there's no way Edmonton doesn't win the lottery two years in a row, so I'm pretty sure they'll be picking first.

 

[Melgene Eunyk]

It shouldn't be this difficult to comprehend.

Everyone would take Hughes over Tkachuk, no question. But that wasn't the situation. If we assumed we would be dead last, we have a 50/50 chance at picking at #4 vs the top 3 combined, and only a 20% chance for #1. If we finished any position higher, those odds continue to drop. Every thing had to go wrong to be able to pick Hughes, and we still aren't sure that option would have been available to us.

We took a guaranteed #4 instead of chancing it. It's as simple as that.

And in addition to this, the organization seems much higher on Brady than they are the 2-5 in this year's draft. I understand the frustration of losing a high pick, but they made the right decision taking Brady.

 

[Six Assets]

This thread makes me miss stone even more. Let's see what Tkachuk can do without him.

Unbelievable how people are already saying it was the right decision to pick him.

 

[BondraTime]

Does anybody know what percentage of teams that picked dead last actually won the first overall pick?

In the 3 years this system has been in place it's happened 2/3 times with Toronto in 2016 and the Sabres in 2018.

Avs moved back to 4 in 2017 and got Makar, who is probably the best/2nd best D prospect in the league

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Except that everything about Brady screams professional, and young players asking for trades before they are finished their ELC can often result in a stigma that follows them.

I don't know if you noticed, but the team is building around Brady. I'm sure asking for Norris from SJ was done with Brady in mind.

Building around Brady f***ing tkachuk lol what a joke

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Building around Brady ****ing tkachuk lol what a joke

Well, far be it from me to applaud the actions of this management team but it's not that crazy. It's a bit like how the Avs have built/ are building around Landeskog. It's him and other players.

He's a similar player to Tkachuk. What they did was build around him and others as a group.

Avs 2012/ Sens present day
Landeskog / Tkachuk
MacKinnon / 2020 1st round pick (likely to be top 5)
Rantanen / Batherson? - kind of fits the mold of a homerun pick that no one was expecting
Barrie / Chabot

Then you throw in guys like Brown, Chlapik, Brannstrom, White, Balcers, etc. and I think the Sens are in a decent place to build from. Better than the Avalanche were IMO. Which is good because Colorado hasn't really done anything big.

Tkachuk certainly isn't a one player core (eg. McDavid, Crosby) but he projects as a rare brand of player. Certainly a player that you build around as part of a core.

 

[SensFactor]

In the 3 years this system has been in place it's happened 2/3 times with Toronto in 2016 and the Sabres in 2018.

Avs moved back to 4 in 2017 and got Makar, who is probably the best/2nd best D prospect in the league

If thats the case base on a limited population size, the odds are Colorado will pick first again.

 

[BondraTime]

If thats the case base on a limited population size, the odds are Colorado will pick first again.

Well, no. If you're using that small sample size odds are that Ottawa would be picking 1st.

It obviously doesn't work like that regardless, but using those odds (66.6% of the time the team finishing last picks first in the 3 years it's been active) the odds would say the Sens are picking 1st.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Well, no. If you're using that small sample size odds are that Ottawa would be picking 1st.

It obviously doesn't work like that regardless, but using those odds (66.6% of the time the team finishing last picks first in the 3 years it's been active) the odds would say the Sens are picking 1st.

Right, but the Ottawa pick belongs to Colorado. So you're both technically correct.

 

[BondraTime]

Right, but the Ottawa pick belongs to Colorado. So you're both technically correct.

Yup, that was completely a brain fart on my part, SensFactor was right I was wrong.

I was thinking of the Avs pick

 

[aragorn]

I for one am very happy the Sens took Tkachuk & I could care less about Hughes. It will be interesting how he does playing against men, we already know that Tkachuk is trending upwards & looks to be a great pick & player, even potentially captain material. Hopefully, Hughes ends up out west so we hardly see him or hear about him.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Well, far be it from me to applaud the actions of this management team but it's not that crazy. It's a bit like how the Avs have built/ are building around Landeskog. It's him and other players.

He's a similar player to Tkachuk. What they did was build around him and others as a group.

Avs 2012/ Sens present day
Landeskog / Tkachuk
MacKinnon / 2020 1st round pick (likely to be top 5)
Rantanen / Batherson? - kind of fits the mold of a homerun pick that no one was expecting
Barrie / Chabot

Then you throw in guys like Brown, Chlapik, Brannstrom, White, Balcers, etc. and I think the Sens are in a decent place to build from. Better than the Avalanche were IMO. Which is good because Colorado hasn't really done anything big.

Tkachuk certainly isn't a one player core (eg. McDavid, Crosby) but he projects as a rare brand of player. Certainly a player that you build around as part of a core.

He projects about Wayne Simmonds caliber, probably a bit better and if things go well he might become a landeskog.

Absolutely not a player you build around. More a player you surround your actual stars with.

 

[SensFactor]

I for one am very happy the Sens took Tkachuk & I could care less about Hughes. It will be interesting how he does playing against men, we already know that Tkachuk is trending upwards & looks to be a great pick & player, even potentially captain material. Hopefully, Hughes ends up out west so we hardly see him or hear about him.

I have no problem with Tkatchuk either, he's one of a kind and has tons of character. He just needs to stop falling down. His Bobby Ryan impressions might be a hit in the dressing room but it's annoying me.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

He projects about Wayne Simmonds caliber, probably a bit better and if things go well he might become a landeskog.

Absolutely not a player you build around. More a player you surround your actual stars with.

So you wouldn't build around a 19 year old Wayne Simmonds, among others?

I'm not a huge Tkachuk fan but that doesn't mean that he's not a core player moving forward.

 

[Masked]

He projects about Wayne Simmonds caliber, probably a bit better and if things go well he might become a landeskog.

Absolutely not a player you build around. More a player you surround your actual stars with.

He's going to be a lot bigger than Simmonds and, as a result, be a lot better at the type of game Simmonds plays. He's also more skilled.

 

[Answer]

He projects about Wayne Simmonds caliber, probably a bit better and if things go well he might become a landeskog.

Absolutely not a player you build around. More a player you surround your actual stars with.

Tkachuk the type player is perfect to inject into a team that has high-end talent already, like we did in Karlsson, Stone, Duchene, Hoffman and Dzingel. But, not to build a team around to be your main guy.

Take Calgary for example. They injected M.Tkachuk into their team that has some talent in Johnny G, Monahan etc.. Not trying to build a team around Matthew T.

Avalanche are not trying to build a team around Landeskog. It just happened that he was drafted before Mackinnon and Rantanen. Realistically, that team revolves around Mackinnon, and should be build around him.

 

[Sting]

I am fairly certain management recognizes Tkachuk is not going to be a franchise-level talent. We're likely drafting one next year though.

 

[Answer]

So you wouldn't build around a 19 year old Wayne Simmonds, among others?

I'm not a huge Tkachuk fan but that doesn't mean that he's not a core player moving forward.

Being a core and building a team around are two different things.

Chabot is the player we should build our team around. Chabot can excel our breakout and transition game if he has speedy high skill players rather than Tkachuk who is more of a cycle and crash the net type of player.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Being a core and building a team around are two different things.

Chabot is the player we should build our team around. Chabot can excel our breakout and transition game if he has speedy high skill players rather than Tkachuk who is more of a cycle and crash the net type of player.

So because we have Chabot we should only build around speedy, skilled players then?

Good thing we got rid of Stone then!! Dodged a bullet there.


You need different types of player to win in this league. Chabot is absolutely a player you build around; doesn't mean that can't be as a group of players, including one who is on pace for 47 pts per 82 games in the first year after his draft.

 

[aragorn]

Tkachuk is already doing very well in the NHL at only 19 yrs of age, he's a kid. White is also doing very well in his first season on the roster & Chabot has elite offensive skill from the backend.

Now they have to hope that Brown, Batherson, Brannstrom, Formenton, Chlapik, Wolanin, Norris, Balcers & the high picks they have for the upcoming drafts also pan out as good to very good NHL players. They could use a couple of elite RWers in the next draft or two. Cozens or Dach would look good with Tkachuk & White, if PD could manage a way to get up that high in the 2019 draft. Brett Leason is an interesting RWer Ottawa should go after, if they end up close to where he will be selected. Much more likely they get their elite skilled players from the 2020 draft but you never know.

Right now with Columbus's first they have a shot at Lavoie C & with their two 2nds have a shot at Leason RW & Foote LW or Knight G in the 2019 draft. Could all be interesting players that make a difference especially in the playoffs where it counts the most at some point in the future.

 

[Answer]

So because we have Chabot we should only build around speedy, skilled players then?

Good thing we got rid of Stone then!! Dodged a bullet there.


You need different types of player to win in this league. Chabot is absolutely a player you build around; doesn't mean that can't be as a group of players, including one who is on pace for 47 pts per 82 games in the first year after his draft.

Exactly what I said, and is a better option than Tkachuk to build around.

Everything else you said hardly made any sense, and are things you just assumed, rather me trying to imply, even remotely

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Exactly what I said, and is a better option than Tkachuk to build around.

Everything else you said hardly made any sense, and are things you just assumed, rather me trying to imply, even remotely

What are you talking about?

Chabot can excel our breakout and transition game if he has speedy high skill players rather than Tkachuk

Those are your words. Only want to around a player if he's speedy because Chabot is good at transition?

And I'm the one not making sense here. Ok pal.

And if we're building around Thomas Chabot ALONE.. well we're even more f***ed than I thought.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

So you wouldn't build around a 19 year old Wayne Simmonds, among others?

I'm not a huge Tkachuk fan but that doesn't mean that he's not a core player moving forward.

You build around your franchise players. The chabots, karlssons stones, kakkos, and hughes.

Not the Wayne Simmonds and Brady Tkachuks. And you sure as hell don't draft the Brady Tkachuks 4th overall in place of said franchise players.

Just idiot GMing.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

You build around your franchise players. The chabots, karlssons stones, kakkos, and hughes.

Not the Wayne Simmonds and Brady Tkachuks. And you sure as hell don't draft the Brady Tkachuks 4th overall in place of said franchise players.

Just idiot GMing.

You build around a core GROUP of 5-6 players. Among those it is absolutely fine to have a Wayne Simmonds / Landeskog type player.

If you build around 1 player in today's NHL you get the Edmonton Oilers.