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Player Discussion Brady Skjei

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Can't we just appreciate that McDonagh and Skjei are both awesome and a great base to build the rest of the blueline around?
 
Having a better points/60 over the sample one season does not even come close to implying that the player IS better offensively not to mention a huge portion of the difference was secondary assists.

Skjei had a 10.95 on ice shooting percentage this season which is absurdly high. Highest in the entire NHL among defenseman. (1000+ mins) Right above some offensive dynamos like Seidenberg, Larsson, Cole, Orlov, Alzner, Bouwmeester etc... Karlsson has never even hit 9. Burns has been above 9 twice (as a defenseman).

If that was the case you would then say Zucker/Niederrieter are better offensively than almost everyone in the league
 
SA16 said:
Having a better points/60 over the sample one season does not even come close to implying that the player IS better offensively not to mention a huge portion of the difference was secondary assists.

Skjei had a 10.95 on ice shooting percentage this season which is absurdly high. Highest in the entire NHL among defenseman.

If that was the case you would then say Zucker/Niederrieter are better offensively than almost everyone in the league
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Skjei is more offensively gifted than McDonagh, who is just a more all-round D-man. I hope Skjei can keep it up instead of turning into MDZ 2.0
 
Well he cannot keep up that shooting percentage. Most likely he'll drop to 7.5ish which this year would have cut hits points/60 from 1.41 to 0.97
 
SA16 said:
Well he cannot keep up that shooting percentage. Most likely he'll drop to 7.5ish which this year would have cut hits points/60 from 1.41 to 0.97
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Which is still better than McDonagh. We will have to wait and see how he develops, but to me, he has been the most exciting rookie D-man since Leetch
 
Which still doesn't matter because point rate for defenseman is incredibly noisy because it can fluctuate hugely for them based on secdonary assists.

I mean the following guys had points/60 over 1.00 this year on D
Niskanen (0.40,0.60 the last two years)
Spurgeon (0.53,0.91 the last two years)
Martin (0.66,0.85 the last two years)
Hunwick (0.40,0.60 the last two years)
Gudas (0.63,0.64 the last two years)
Holden (0.69, 0.31 the last two years)
Brodin (0.30, 0.51 the last two years)
Seidenberg (0.65, 0.51 the last two years)
Chara (0.90,0.44 the last two years)

That's 9 of the 28 guys. Not exactly a list of absolute offensive superstars there and all of them hugely outperformed what they've done in previous seasons.

Not disagreeing with anything on Skjei and him being good but pointing to those numbers as him being better than McDonagh already makes no sense. If you were to say that then on the same team you might as well go ahead and say at 5v5 offensively Niskanen > Carlson, Martin > Burns, Hunwick > Rielly, Gudas > Ghost, Holden > McD, Seidenberg > Leddy, Chara > Krug etc...
 
Zil said:
Can't we just appreciate that McDonagh and Skjei are both awesome and a great base to build the rest of the blueline around?
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Well said. I never know why our fans pit our players against each other so often.
 
+4 today, nobody was +4. He played a lousy 12:51 too. Looked great. What an absolute sin....an absolute crime against humanity that this man was getting benched for Marc Staal and Nick Holden. I cannot believe this **** coach is still here.
 
They're not useless, but primary points (goals + 1st assists) generally fluctuate less from year to year than secondary assists do. They're thought of as a better indicator of true talent. Skjei's primary point numbers are actually pretty decent for a defenseman though.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
SA is basically discounting Skjei's secondary assists. Maybe his point is that secondary assists are inconsistent though, and I misread his posts.
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Ah, I thought that was aimed at me for using P/60. which is sometimes misinterpreted as P1/60, sorry.

Secondary assists are still assists. You can't have an assist without a goal being scored.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
SA is basically discounting Skjei's secondary assists. Maybe his point is that secondary assists are inconsistent though, and I misread his posts.
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They're not useless. They're just not very predictive going forward.

Ok. Below is the plot of 2015-2016 secondary assist rate for defenseman to 2016-2017 secondary assist rate.

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No predictive value whatsoever. Might as well just assume any defenseman will put up a league average 2A/60 rate for defenseman and you'll predict it better than if you take their last year. It's not a skill the guys who get the most on a raw number level are just the guys who play the most minutes.
 
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SA16 said:
They're not useless. They're just not very predictive going forward.

Ok. Below is the plot of 2015-2016 secondary assist rate for defenseman to 2016-2017 secondary assist rate.

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No predictive value whatsoever. Might as well just assume any defenseman will put up a league average 2A/60 rate for defenseman and you'll predict it better than if you take their last year. It's not a skill the guys who get the most on a raw number level are just the guys who play the most minutes.
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You mislabeled one of the 2015-2016s.
 
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