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Player Discussion Brady Skjei

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eyjee said:
It's amazing that no one seems to grasp this concept.

Not to mention that 11 of Skjei's 28 points are primary (15/31 for Yandle).

But. Whatever.
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Florida also couldn't score to save their lives earlier this season between injuries and Gallant's system generating no real scoring chances. There's so much variability when it comes to these types of comparisons.

Skjei is having a great rookie year and is showing unexpected offensive potential, let's just leave it at that.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
It's hard to compare Yandle and Skjei's outputs when they play on different teams offensively. Yandle would probably have more points offensively with us.
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Yeah unfortunately we don't know. Also this thinking we can't compare players on different teams is odd. Players of same position are and will be compared all the time. Should they not award the Rocket Ricahrd trophy to top goal scorer because if player was on different team the results might be different?
 
eyjee said:
It's amazing that no one seems to grasp this concept.

Not to mention that 11 of Skjei's 28 points are primary (15/31 for Yandle).

But. Whatever.
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Not sure what concept isn't grasped, there's are so many variables and statistics that you can easily come up with a set of stats the push a narrative that Skjei is better. 40% of Skjei's points are primary, just now starting to play pp. 48% for Yandle, 2nd paring minutes and pp all season.

Skjei is doing darn good, grasp that. That's what I'm saying.
 
Matz03 said:
Not sure what concept isn't grasped, there's are so many variables and statistics that you can easily come up with a set of stats the push a narrative that Skjei is better. 40% of Skjei's points are primary, just now starting to play pp. 48% for Yandle, 2nd paring minutes and pp all season.

Skjei is doing darn good, grasp that. That's what I'm saying.
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This would be logical if not for the fact that Skjei played PP2 essentially the entire first half of the season and was pulled off the PP, and now sees some time there again. (Does he? I'm not sure about this. Seeing a lot of Holden).

Skjei has played 75 mins of 5v4 time. Yandle 183.

Yandle's P60 is 0.4 higher than Skjei's. His P160 is 2.3 higher than Skjei's, because Skjei has 0 primary 5v4 points.

But you keep doing you.

Skjei >>> Yandle. Totes.
 
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eyjee said:
This would be logical if not for the fact that Skjei played PP2 essentially the entire first half of the season and was pulled off the PP, and now sees some time there again. (Does he? I'm not sure about this. Seeing a lot of Holden).

Skjei has played 75 mins of 5v4 time. Yandle 183.

Yandle's P60 is 0.4 higher than Skjei's. His P160 is 2.3 higher than Skjei's, because Skjei has 0 primary 5v4 points.

But you keep doing you.

Skjei >>> Yandle. Totes.
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It bothers me when people disregard secondary assists completely. Sometimes they're right place right time, but not always.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
It bothers me when people disregard secondary assists completely. Sometimes they're right place right time, but not always.
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That's exactly why they're disregarded. They are way too inconsistent in terms of being right place/right time or not.

Primary assists are much more consistent and reliable.
 
Irishguy42 said:
That's exactly why they're disregarded. They are way too inconsistent in terms of being right place/right time or not.

Primary assists are much more consistent and reliable.
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But, taking them out completely is probably not the way to go. Maybe weighing them less. So if there was a way to measure what percentage of the time these assists were solid we can multiply the secondary assists by that number.
 
Skjei is better than expected, I like his play, but I still miss Yandle so much. I bet he would have already 40 points with Rangers. He had 47 points on last year team that was not nearly as good and talented as this 16-17 team.
 
McD37 said:
Skjei is better than expected, I like his play, but I still miss Yandle so much. I bet he would have already 40 points with Rangers. He had 47 points on last year team that was not nearly as good and talented as this 16-17 team.
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One thing I didn't realize is how little PP time the Rangers had last season. Only 358:29 (last in the NHL). Yandle had 22 PP points, the most for NYR since Brad Richards' 24 in 2011-12. Yandle had 212:12 in powerplay time. Richards had 337:38 in 2011-12, almost as much as the Rangers did last season.
 
Thirty One said:
One thing I didn't realize is how little PP time the Rangers had last season. Only 358:29 (last in the NHL). Yandle had 22 PP points, the most for NYR since Brad Richards' 24 in 2011-12. Yandle had 212:12 in powerplay time. Richards had 337:38 in 2011-12, almost as much as the Rangers did last season.
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And he was not even on the first PP unit half of the season. I really like Vigneault but he misused Keith so bad. Might have something to do with Rangers spending so much time in D-zone, not having the puck?
 
Thirty One said:
One thing I didn't realize is how little PP time the Rangers had last season. Only 358:29 (last in the NHL). Yandle had 22 PP points, the most for NYR since Brad Richards' 24 in 2011-12. Yandle had 212:12 in powerplay time. Richards had 337:38 in 2011-12, almost as much as the Rangers did last season.
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But did he fix the powerplay?
 
it was

Mac n Gs said:
But did he fix the powerplay?
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it was better. They key to the PP is to have a guy running the point who cannot only distribute the puck but actually shoot the puck and have it get thru to the goaltender. It creates secondary chances where most goals are scored off of. NYR hasn't had a player like that in over a decade. most of the additions have been good PP players on other teams but never ran the PP that way (except yandle who is a puck distriibuter gets like 3 goals 45 assists). rangers need a d-man running the point who can rip it and get it thru
 
Only problem I have with Skjei aside from wishing he was right handed is how he looks skating, like he has a hunch back; I can't be the only one...

But really he's been way better than expected and I expected a lot, especially offensively.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
I dont know why we're looking at Skjei vs Yandle.

It should be Yandle vs Staal. Management had no business rushing to get a declining player extended.
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Exactly...it's a futile exercise on both sides to compare Skjei and Yandle. OTOH, that Skjei in his rookie season is putting comparable numbers is a good thing. It does not detract from the fact that the Rangers would have been better served not extending Staal and then re-signing Yandle.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
It bothers me when people disregard secondary assists completely. Sometimes they're right place right time, but not always.
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Irishguy42 said:
That's exactly why they're disregarded. They are way too inconsistent in terms of being right place/right time or not.

Primary assists are much more consistent and reliable.
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If the idea is they are inconsistent, which is okay with me, shouldn't Corsi also include only players who touched the puck before or during the shot attempt? Not so much those who jumped on the ice behind the play or whatever?
 
eyjee said:
This would be logical if not for the fact that Skjei played PP2 essentially the entire first half of the season and was pulled off the PP, and now sees some time there again. (Does he? I'm not sure about this. Seeing a lot of Holden).

Skjei has played 75 mins of 5v4 time. Yandle 183.

Yandle's P60 is 0.4 higher than Skjei's. His P160 is 2.3 higher than Skjei's, because Skjei has 0 primary 5v4 points.

But you keep doing you.

Skjei >>> Yandle. Totes.
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It seems like you got offended that the guy is saying Skjei is having a good season...
 
Miller Time NYR said:
Only problem I have with Skjei aside from wishing he was right handed is how he looks skating, like he has a hunch back; I can't be the only one...

But really he's been way better than expected and I expected a lot, especially offensively.
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Kind of like Yandle in that regard.

Don't know if it's a legit medical condition like Lucic or if that's the way he skates.
 
Off Sides said:
If the idea is they are inconsistent, which is okay with me, shouldn't Corsi also include only players who touched the puck before or during the shot attempt? Not so much those who jumped on the ice behind the play or whatever?
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This type of stat is tracked and it's called a shot assist (pass that leads to a shot attempt). I just can't remember which stats guy does it.


eyjee said:
No. I take offense to illogical comparisons.

Skjei is having a terrific year after a slow start. I'd like to see more A1s than he has, but, I'm expecting those to come with time. His skating is a huge asset.
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Sounds to me like you got a new vendetta against Skjei. Sad! :sarcasm:
 
eyjee said:
No. I take offense to illogical comparisons.

Skjei is having a terrific year after a slow start. I'd like to see more A1s than he has, but, I'm expecting those to come with time. His skating is a huge asset.
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The guy never once said Skjei is better than Yandle...
 
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