Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[yubbers]

I wanted to turn the page on Marner as much as the next guy but what if the offer is absolute trash?

"We'll give you Zach Whitecloud and a 2nd"

"Sorry we don't have cap space unless you retain 50%, I guess we could give you a conditional 1st and our 4th ranked prospect"

The cap was a real problem 2 summers ago, I think I landed on Vegas and like one other team that would be a possibility. I also thought Vegas last summer was maybe a place he'd waive for.

Tree has been "good to very good" - I like our defense and goaltending but our forward group needs a lot of work now.

How far do you commit on term/dollars in the off-season with McDavid and Kaprizov headlining the 2026 UFA class?

Once that NMC kicked in...he wasn't goin anywhere

 

[Superstar]

Tre f***ed up then
Marner still isnt signed

Shanahan should take the blame...he didn't allowed Tre to move any of the core 4 when he hired him...if rumour has it that Tre offered Marner $13.5 x 8, then that's on Marner.

 

[Rare Jewel]

You Dubas homers REALLY need to stop giving your opinion on management.

You're perpetually wrong. LOL

We have years of data to prove it

Sure, but that doesn't mean Treliving is good just because he isn't Dubas.

 

[Gary Nylund]

you have been for years my guy. DO you think I'm new? lol

Maybe you've been around forever, what difference does that make? When you're wrong, youre wrong. And you're wrong.

I wanted to turn the page on Marner as much as the next guy but what if the offer is absolute trash?

"We'll give you Zach Whitecloud and a 2nd"

"Sorry we don't have cap space unless you retain 50%, I guess we could give you a conditional 1st and our 4th ranked prospect"

The cap was a real problem 2 summers ago, I think I landed on Vegas and like one other team that would be a possibility. I also thought Vegas last summer was maybe a place he'd waive for.

Tree has been "good to very good" - I like our defense and goaltending but our forward group needs a lot of work now.

How far do you commit on term/dollars in the off-season with McDavid and Kaprizov headlining the 2026 UFA class?

What makes you think all the offers would be trash? That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[yubbers]

Sure, but that doesn't mean Treliving is good just because he isn't Dubas.

Facts.

But Tre addressed issues we've had for a decade plus

D and goaltending. I swear to god if MLSE fires him....

They let a rookie GGM learn on the job for what? 6 years and Tre gets less than 2? I'll lose my shit

 

[WTFMAN99]

Maybe you've been around forever, what difference does that make? When you're wrong, youre wrong. And you're wrong.

What makes you think all the offers would be trash? That makes no sense whatsoever.

He was a hard contract to fit in for a lot of teams with the cap being stagnant from Covid years.

 

[yubbers]

Maybe you've been around forever, what difference does that make? When you're wrong, youre wrong. And you're wrong.

What makes you think all the offers would be trash? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Let's leave it at this. LOL

 

[Gary Nylund]

He was a hard contract to fit in for a lot of teams with the cap being stagnant from Covid years.

Where there's a will, there's a way. 31 potential trade partners, I'm quite sure a number of teams could fit him in. But more to the point, it seems like Tre never even tried.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Let's leave it at this. LOL

Dubas did some good things and some bad, just like every other GM. Some people said he never addressed the D, I made a post years ago pointing out that they were wrong.

If you think that that makes me a "Dubas homer", you should educate yourself on the meaning of the word "homer". Go get some sleep or something.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Facts.

But Tre addressed issues we've had for a decade plus

D and goaltending. I swear to god if MLSE fires him....

They let a rookie GGM learn on the job for what? 6 years and Tre gets less than 2? I'll lose my shit

It may not be fair, but I'm in that camp of wanting pretty sweeping changes.

Personally, I don't like the defence, and I have some pretty big issues with its construction and how it plays. That extends to the coaches as well.

 

[hamzarocks]

You Dubas homers REALLY need to stop giving your opinion on management.

You're perpetually wrong. LOL

We have years of data to prove it

Everyone here has bad takes, due to biases and wanting to go with majority opinion at times and at others being contradictory for no reason

I remember a postet being very vocal kadri would never amount to anything and wouldn't be a key player on a playoff team. It may have been you, may have been someone with similar posting style.

Things change pretty quick. A LOT of people here never thought Kessel would achieve shit with the pens, and now that he's a 2X cup winner we do pretend we knew he had it all along.

This current core will have same chance if/once they leave to change their narratives.

Dubas had the same chance but he blew it so far with more shitty deals and out the box trying approach to team building his 1st year there.

 

[stealth1]

I wanted to turn the page on Marner as much as the next guy but what if the offer is absolute trash?

"We'll give you Zach Whitecloud and a 2nd"

"Sorry we don't have cap space unless you retain 50%, I guess we could give you a conditional 1st and our 4th ranked prospect"

The cap was a real problem 2 summers ago, I think I landed on Vegas and like one other team that would be a possibility. I also thought Vegas last summer was maybe a place he'd waive for.

Tree has been "good to very good" - I like our defense and goaltending but our forward group needs a lot of work now.

How far do you commit on term/dollars in the off-season with McDavid and Kaprizov headlining the 2026 UFA class?

I say don't expect those guys to make it to UFA and build the team to win now. If your intent on keeping the knuckleheads that the supposed leaders than you do whatever it takes to add to the team this season. Don't kick the can down the road in hopes McDavid or Kaprizov hit free agency

 

[WTFMAN99]

Where there's a will, there's a way. 31 potential trade partners, I'm quite sure a number of teams could fit him in. But more to the point, it seems like Tre never even tried.

I don't know what occurred in the first 5 weeks, we'd be speculating. He might not have tried, his hiring might have been conditional upon keeping the core together or he might have tried but the offers suck.


I did hear he did poke around on it last summer but the NMC killed it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't know what occurred in the first 5 weeks, we'd be speculating. He might not have tried, his hiring might have been conditional upon keeping the core together or he might have tried but the offers suck.

I did hear he did poke around on it last summer but the NMC killed it.

If he tried to move him before the NMC kicked in, then good for him. I really think we'd have heard something about it if he did though.

 

[Trapper]

If he tried to move him before the NMC kicked in, then good for him. I really think we'd have heard something about it if he did though.

I don’t think he was allowed to trade the core. However, he didn’t have to give Nylander 11.5 for 8 years and a NMC. Yikes.
He backed himself into a corner being able to make a decision of who to keep.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I say don't expect those guys to make it to UFA and build the team to win now. If your intent on keeping the knuckleheads that the supposed leaders than you do whatever it takes to add to the team this season. Don't kick the can down the road in hopes McDavid or Kaprizov hit free agency

Not only that, but look at how old our D core is. We have one, maybe two years tops before those guys are simply too old, declining hard and our window is slammed shut so there's no way we can afford to just write off one year. You go for it, or you see if you can get everyone to waive their NMC's and blow it up and the way this franchise operates, we all know which way they're gonna go don't we?

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don’t think he was allowed to trade the core. However, he didn’t have to give Nylander 11.5 for 8 years and a NMC. Yikes.
He backed himself into a corner being able to make a decision of who to keep.

The way he played in the playoffs, that doesn't even seem like a big mistake and if the cap goes up the way some people expect, the contract might even look like a bargain a few years from now. In any case, not doing something about Marner looks like the biggest mistake at this point. JMHO.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If he tried to move him before the NMC kicked in, then good for him. I really think we'd have heard something about it if he did though.

I don’t think he was allowed to trade the core. However, he didn’t have to give Nylander 11.5 for 8 years and a NMC. Yikes.
He backed himself into a corner being able to make a decision of who to keep.

Rachel Dohoerie or whatever on Twitter who was apart of the Devils analytics team did insinuate that Shanahan blocked any Marner trade I believe prior to that NMC kicked in (but my memory might suck on this) but it does support the keeping the core together mantra.

 

[Trapper]

The way he played in the playoffs, that doesn't even seem like a big mistake and if the cap goes up the way some people expect, the contract might even look like a bargain a few years from now. In any case, not doing something about Marner looks like the biggest mistake at this point. JMHO.

Nylander has the same problem as the rest of the core. For all the good they can do, they can also do equally as bad. At any moment they can controller disconnect, not start on time, forget assignments, stop with puck battles. All of them. We will never win with this collection. You are right about acting fast to move Marner, and I still wouldn’t have paid Nylander that as well.

 

[yubbers]

Dubas did some good things and some bad, just like every other GM. Some people said he never addressed the D, I made a post years ago pointing out that they were wrong.

If you that makes me a "Dubas homer", you should educate yourself on the meaning of the word "homer". Go get some sleep or something.

i mean you were stoked on Ceci and Barrie
c'mon dude

 

[Gary Nylund]

Rachel Dohoerie or whatever on Twitter who was apart of the Devils analytics team did insinuate that Shanahan blocked any Marner trade I believe prior to that NMC kicked in (but my memory might suck on this) but it does support the keeping the core together mantra.

Yeah we were discussing that yesterday, not sure if it was this or some other thread. IMO that's no excuse, it's still on Tre. There's no reason to assume he wasn't OK with that course of action when he took the job, and if he wasn't and still took the job, it doesn't matter, he's the GM, it's on him and if you take the job, you take the responsiblity that comes with it. And if you don't like it, you say no.

Would be sweet if you could be the Leafs GM, take all the credit for the good moves you make and let someone take the blame for your mistakes. Doesn't work that way though, at least that's the way I see it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

i mean you were stoked on Ceci and Barrie
c'mon dude

No, I wasn't. Go read my post again, read it three times and slowly. Maybe sound out the words as you're reading, that can help apparently.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yeah we were discussing that yesterday, not sure if it was this or some other thread. IMO that's no excuse, it's still on Tre. There's no reason to assume he wasn't OK with that course of action when he took the job, and if he wasn't and still took the job, it doesn't matter, he's the GM, it's on him and if you take the job, you take the responsiblity that comes with it. And if you don't like it, you say no.

Would be sweet if you could be the Leafs GM, take all the credit for the good moves you make and let someone take the blame for your mistakes. Doesn't work that way though, at least that's the way I see it.

Well if a condition of employment is "X" and you want to gain employment...you agree to "X"

There are only 32 GM jobs available in the league and likely none are as lucrative as Toronto so I guess at the end of the day he agreed to those conditions that Shanahan put forth.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Well if a condition of employment is "X" and you want to gain employment...you agree to "X"

There are only 32 GM jobs available in the league and likely none are as lucrative as Toronto so I guess at the end of the day he agreed to those conditions that Shanahan put forth.

And for all we know, he agreed that not moving Marner was the thing to do. No reason to think otherwise that I'm aware of anyway.

 

[WTFMAN99]

And for all we know, he agreed that not moving Marner was the thing to do. No reason to think otherwise that I'm aware of anyway.

Yes but again, we're speculating.

Marner is walking most likely for nothing.

It sucks but let's see what's next.