Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[hotpaws]

Peoples minds change.

Though i'm not surprised you're still obsessed over Dubas several years after he's no longer with the team however.

your mind hasn't changed regardless of what you say , you still miss Dubas and you've been taking subtle jabs at Tre since the day he was hired

also I have no idea how many years he has to fail until his fans realize he's not a competent NHL executive

 

[All Mod Cons]

I'm genuinely surprised you've all of sudden become so critical of mgmt after endlessly praising our failed former GM who has also been a clusterf*** in Pitt the last 2 yrs.

whatever input or faults Shanny has had in his tenure here at least i can at least say he didn't allow Dubas to trade for EK like he instantly did in his new job !

He should get the full half a decade like Kyle Dubas had. He already managed to win more games in the 2nd round than his predecessor, despite still having Marner and Tavares.

 

[Clyde Brewer]

My main criticism of Treliving is not locking up Knies before his value went through the roof.

I'm sure a bridge deal could have been worked out for less than 5 million before this season started. Instead, he's played top line all season, padding his stats, and raising his value.

He's going to cost 8 million+ per season now.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It's over bro
I will stop watching hockey

No you won't, that's not going to happen let's be realistic

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Treliving tried and I think he made the most out of a highly hamstrung situation. This offseason is probably where it's fair to starting appraising his performance. If he can convince 34 and 44 to waive their NMCs, I'd be interested see what they could get in return and whether he decides to rebuild or retool.

changes will be necessary if they lose but trading Matthews is not the change.

You don't trade your 27 year old #1 C do you remember how long it took to replace Sundin?

Change is one thing stupidity is another

 

[hamzarocks]

changes will be necessary if they lose but trading Matthews is not the change.

You don't trade your 27 year old #1 C do you remember how long it took to replace Sundin?

Change is one thing stupidity is another

You trade him in a package for a potential 1C +

Byfield++ is being touted here to LA

Other trades could be

Shane Wright++ to SEA
Mason Mactavish++ to ANA

If the team has lost faith in Matthews to be the guy for a cup team in Toronto you retool and get pieces which impact the team now and give space and assets to build a contender for another 10+ years

 

[notbias]

And yet they have played very well this year.

Have one of the worst goals against...

Are you f**king high?!?!

He's there to produce, he has produced, he also has some of the best underlying stats, sorry if this bothers you.

So $30-$40 million for three players? Unless he gives out moronic Dubas-like contracts he has plenty of money to spend.

Check the Huberdeau contract.

I have no idea what bs your trying to spin now but you praised every move Dubas made and have been on tilt every since he's was fired!

That's not true... no reason to get so emotional and start lying, relax.

 

[notbias]

your mind hasn't changed regardless of what you say , you still miss Dubas and you've been taking subtle jabs at Tre since the day he was hired

also I have no idea how many years he has to fail until his fans realize he's not a competent NHL executive

Treliving is on year 11 of failing and people still have hope... so at least that I guess?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You trade him in a package for a potential 1C +

Byfield++ is being touted here to LA

Other trades could be

Shane Wright++ to SEA
Mason Mactavish++ to ANA

If the team has lost faith in Matthews to be the guy for a cup team in Toronto you retool and get pieces which impact the team now and give space and assets to build a contender for another 10+ years

Well they gave him the C so I don't think they have lost faith in him, teams don't name a player captain if they have lost faith in him that's not how that works.

Also Shane Wright? are you serious??????? that kid has shown NOTHING

 

[hamzarocks]

Well they gave him the C so I don't think they have lost faith in him, teams don't name a player captain if they have lost faith in him that's not how that works.

Also Shane Wright? are you serious??????? that kid has shown NOTHING

Wright had 44 pts in 79 games in the NHL in ~15 mins a game with SEA. He is 21 and had only 10ish less pts than Byfield who is 2 draft classes older with less PP time and worst linemates

He had a very good year for his deployment and has shown great growth now. He looks like he can be well worth his 4OA draft slot.

I dont think Seattle would even entertain a deal like this but a package would be

Wright + good B prospect (Sale, Rekoph, Nyman, Firkus) + 2026 top 3 protected 1st

You would get a very cheap center with room to grow who can give like 50-60 pts next season while making 12M less than AM34.

A very good prospect who is likely a bit below Cowan to strengthen the prospect pool, with all 4 of those guys being NHL ready in a now-2 year time line

A 2026 1st which could be as high as 4th OA in a draft which is expected to be very deep, giving you either a primed future asset to draft + develop or to deal if a trade which accelerates contention is brought up.

 

[hotpaws]

That's not true... no reason to get so emotional and start lying, relax.

keep spinning , everyone knows you worship Dubas as evidenced how you've been on here endlessly the last 2 yrs ripping the team since he was kicked to the curb like the useless piece of trash he is

and as i said in a earlier post , i give you credit for your loyalty regardless how misplaced it is , most of the other Dubie fan club members have gone silent like Stinkety 90210 has

 

[Menzinger]

your mind hasn't changed regardless of what you say , you still miss Dubas and you've been taking subtle jabs at Tre since the day he was hired

also I have no idea how many years he has to fail until his fans realize he's not a competent NHL executive

I didn't want Tre when he was hired because he had a mediocre resume as a GM between his time in Arizona and the Flames. And it didn't seem like Shanny held much of a search for a new GM.

The rest of what you'd say is just nonsense. I've been pretty complimentary of a lot of his moves this year, But it just hasn't worked and if the team doesn't get out of the second round I don't see the point in keeping him around.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I didn't want Tre when he was hired because he had a mediocre resume as a GM between his time in Arizona and the Flames. And it didn't seem like Shanny held much of a search for a new GM.

The rest of what you'd say is just nonsense. I've been pretty complimentary of a lot of his moves this year, But it just hasn't worked and if the team doesn't get out of the second round I don't see the point in keeping him around.

Treliving isn't nor should he be fired after 2 years.

Get serious

 

[Menzinger]

Treliving isn't nor should he be fired after 2 years.

Get serious

If the Leafs get knocked out in the next couple games I don't know how anyone can view this as anything other than a bitter disappointed. What perplexes me is wanting to keep the architect of that around.

I agree that he won't be fired though. We can then watch him spend the summer trying to to find buyers for his mistakes like Domi, Kampf and Reaves.

 

[Gabriel426]

If Tre has balls, trade AM to Rangers for Miller and Laf.
Sign his boy Bennett and Connor Brown

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If the Leafs get knocked out in the next couple games I don't know how anyone can view this as anything other than a bitterly disappointed. What perplexes me is wanting to keep the architect of that around.

I agree that he won't be fired though. We can then watch him spend the summer trying to to find buyers for his mistakes like Domi, Kampf and Reaves.

Dubas got 5 years, I didn't see you call for his firing.

Trelivinh has been here less than 2 years and he's already accomplished more then Dubas and cowardly Keefe ever did.

he should get the same amount of time Dubas did espically since he is off to a much, much better start then Dunas got off to.

 

[Menzinger]

Dubas got 5 years, I didn't see you call for his firing.

Trelivinh has been here less than 2 years and he's already accomplished more then Dubas and cowardly Keefe ever did.

he should get the same amount of time Dubas did espically since he is off to a much, much better start then Dunas got off to.

I don't think Dubas nor Keefe should be rehired to replace Tre and Berube. And none of that has any bearing on why Tre should still be GM.

So far the Leafs have won exactly one more playoff game than a Dubas team accomplished. It's not exactly a glowing achievement.

 

[Taylor Halls Teeth]

#1 g injured and #2 g didn't have the game. No more challenged than Winnipeg. Yeah many of the top guys have been visible but this a team choke. A come back starts with a .900 sv% and then the sleepy top 6 has to reignite.

 

[leafs in five]

your mind hasn't changed regardless of what you say , you still miss Dubas and you've been taking subtle jabs at Tre since the day he was hired

also I have no idea how many years he has to fail until his fans realize he's not a competent NHL executive

You'll just have to keep campaigning, and never making any posts about anything else

 

[hotpaws]

You'll just have to keep campaigning, and never making any posts about anything else

wow look at you taking time out from fluffing Tavares to take shots at people in another thread , good for you !

and speaking of your boi is he going to show up before we get knocked out or is he going to talk yet again about the lesson's the team leaned , lol .

7pts in and 11games is bad enough but it gets worse when you realize he has only 3 pts in his last 8 game

 

[hotpaws]

If the Leafs get knocked out in the next couple games I don't know how anyone can view this as anything other than a bitter disappointed. What perplexes me is wanting to keep the architect of that around.

I agree that he won't be fired though. We can then watch him spend the summer trying to to find buyers for his mistakes like Domi, Kampf and Reaves.

why would that perplex you considering you wanted to keep Dubas even after 5 yrs of failure

i think it'll be much more interesting to watch Dubas try to find buyers for his mistakes EK47/Graves and since your fretting over bargain bin types i'll throw in Accari

 

[leafs in five]

wow look at you taking time out from fluffing Tavares to take shots at people in another thread , good for you !

and speaking of your boi is he going to show up before we get knocked out or is he going to talk yet again about the lesson's the team leaned , lol .

7pts in and 11games is bad enough but it gets worse when you realize he has only 3 pts in his last 8 game

you who would never 'take shots at people'

 

[leafs in five]

notbias was in here sparring with the triumphalists when we were up 2-0 against the cup champs, whatever are the merits of doing that with your time at least he doesn't only show up after losses to dance on graves

 

[WilliamInLondon]

changes will be necessary if they lose but trading Matthews is not the change.

You don't trade your 27 year old #1 C do you remember how long it took to replace Sundin?

Change is one thing stupidity is another

Yes, I was old enough to remember Sundin when he was first traded to the Leafs, and the memory is fresh when they let him walk to UFA. If anything, stupidity was NOT trading him in 2005-2006, and letting Sundin rot for 3 years while consistently missing the playoffs and getting no assets in return when he left in 2008 for Vancouver.

A 27 year old Matthews is someone you keep if you think you can retool and win with him over the next 3 seasons. And by win, I mean contend for the Stanley Cup. That means you have to believe that

• short term: signing guys like Marchand and Duchene/Giroux to 1-2 year deals while landing someone like Provorov or Ekblad will offset losing Marner and Tavares and give you a better chance to contend in 2025-2027
• long term: there is a real potential to sign McDavid or Kaprizov in 2026, or at worst Eichel as a consolation prize.
• organic growth: in both the short-term and long-term, the likes of Cowan and Danford will become cheap Top 9 and middle 6 entry-level contributors while continuing to harvest strong organic growth from Knies, Robertson (if he's still here), and Woll.

That's a lot of ifs...which is why I don't think it's at all "stupidity" to consider all options on the table, especially if he has some health issue that will precipitate decline over the next couple of seasons and/or has a serious psychological performance anxiety in the playoffs.

This is especially so if big US teams are offering packages to snag a marketable star. A few off the top of my head that would make me think:

• LA: Byfield (as another poster suggested), Kempe, picks
• DET: Seider/Raymond, picks
• SEA: Beniers/Kakko, picks
• CBJ: Fantilli/Marchenko, picks
• UTA: Keller/Guenther/Cooley, picks
• STL: two of Thomas/Kyrou/Holloway, picks
• BUF: a whole slew of young forwards and defencemen. pick two or three

As long as Matthews doesn't have any debilitating health issue, these non-playoff or bubble teams could entertain getting a US-born superstar. Not every team would be willing to offer the above, but at least one or two would likely offer some sort of permutation and Matthews would have to agree to it (e.g. LA, UTA, DET probable). I think looking at what Eichel fetched X 15-20% would be a decent benchmark.

The key would be to get two top-end young players with some draft capital to replenish the stock. That frees up around $30M and $50M in capspace over the next two seasons to re-sign these young players to more structurally efficient deals and resets your compete window by 4-6 years. Allows for playoff continuity while continuing to build a contender via drafts, trades, and free agency with substantially more cap flexibility.

 

[leafs in five]

man I don't think they would trade Kempe for Matthews