Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[notbias]

Treliving tried and I think he made the most out of a highly hamstrung situation. This offseason is probably where it's fair to starting appraising his performance. If he can convince 34 and 44 to waive their NMCs, I'd be interested see what they could get in return and whether he decides to rebuild or retool.

He's used well over half the cap, signed a D core until they retire, and it is only now he can be judged? Makes no sense.

 

[WilliamInLondon]

He's used well over half the cap, signed a D core until they retire, and it is only now he can be judged? Makes no sense.

I don't think the defense was bad this year, and none of the signings were overpays/immovable contracts.

He also has $26.9M and $43M of capspace over the next two seasons, so the Leafs' financial situation is actually pretty good assuming that they let Marner and Tavares walk this summer.

 

[notbias]

I don't think the defense was bad this year, and none of the signings were overpays/immovable contracts.

He also has $26.9M and $43M of capspace over the next two seasons, so the Leafs' financial situation is actually pretty good assuming that they let Marner and Tavares walk this summer.

He has used over 50 million of the cap already, what makes you think he will use the other cap space effectively?

The D core has one of the worst goals against of the Matthews' era.

All the D are signed too long, it's why the caps aren't insane.

Carlo has the best contract.

 

[WilliamInLondon]

He has used over 50 million of the cap already, what makes you think he will use the other cap space effectively?

The D core has one of the worst goals against of the Matthews' era.

All the D are signed too long, it's why the caps aren't insane.

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Carlo has the best contract.

I don't see how the defence is bad or Treliving's fault. His top 6 next season is only 26% of the total cap, and the only overpriced, hard-to-move contract is Rielly's and that wasn't his signing. Tanev/OEL/Carlo/McCabe/Benoit is a very solid #2-6 defensive corps that will cost only 18.4% of the total cap next season. The bulk of the failure this playoffs isn't really on them as much as it is on the core four.

This team needs a #1 defenceman in a really bad way, but it's not like the #2-6 pairing is horrible or overpriced or unmoveable.

 

[leafs in five]

He tried - got blocked by the previous GM's blunder.

spent plenty at the deadline

 

[notbias]

I don't see how the defence is bad or Treliving's fault. His top 6 next season is only 26% of the total cap, and the only overpriced, hard-to-move contract is Rielly's and that wasn't his signing. Tanev/OEL/Carlo/McCabe/Benoit is a very solid #2-6 defensive corps that will cost only 18.4% of the total cap next season. The bulk of the failure this playoffs isn't really on them as much as it is on the core four.

This team needs a #1 defenceman in a really bad way, but it's not like the #2-6 pairing is horrible or overpriced or unmoveable.

You just listed a bunch of guys past their prime who are signed for multiple years after...

Rielly has arguably been the best D this playoffs, but yes, he is an offensive D, who has done his job.

So they will need a #1D, a better winger to push Nylander down after Marner leaves, a 2C, and will have ~30-40 million to do all that and no assets.

 

[Suntouchable13]

You just listed a bunch of guys past their prime who are signed for multiple years after...

Rielly has arguably been the best D this playoffs, but yes, he is an offensive D, who has done his job.

So they will need a #1D, a better winger to push Nylander down after Marner leaves, a 2C, and will have ~30-40 million to do all that and no assets.

No assets is Dubas fault.

 

[notbias]

No assets is Dubas fault.

Did you sleep through this deadline?

 

[WilliamInLondon]

You just listed a bunch of guys past their prime who are signed for multiple years after...

Rielly has arguably been the best D this playoffs, but yes, he is an offensive D, who has done his job.

So they will need a #1D, a better winger to push Nylander down after Marner leaves, a 2C, and will have ~30-40 million to do all that and no assets.

All of those guys are also entirely moveable by the TDL for assets if the Leafs are out of the playoffs next year. They already have $40M+ in cap space and another $15M-$20M if they move out the defence. I don't think the length of the contract is at all the issue because each player will be 1.5-5% of a playoff bound team's total cap next season. That gives a lot of flexibility for the GM to build a proper team once Marner and Tavares' NMCs and $21M come off the books.

 

[notbias]

All of those guys are also entirely moveable by the TDL for assets if the Leafs are out of the playoffs next year. They already have $40M+ in cap space and another $15M-$20M if they move out the defence. I don't think the length of the contract is at all the issue because each player will be 1.5-5% of a playoff bound team's total cap next season. That gives a lot of flexibility for the GM to build a proper team once Marner and Tavares' NMCs and $21M come off the books.

Tanev until 40 gets you what at the TDL?

McCabe until 36 gets you what?

OEL until 37 gets you what?

No playoff team is grabbing these guys without serious retention and no rebuilding team is grabbing them unless it is free.

I think Tanev/McCabe are neutral values, I think OEL is a negative value.

 

[leafs in five]

Does Jonas still cry about dubas and try to sewer Tre at every opportunity? I stopped caring about anything that clown wrote after their pathetic article about all the people in the org mourning dubas like he was just shot in broad daylight.

To those die hard dubas defenders. If you still don't get it, you never will, and you're a lost cause. Zero point in arguing with someone saying dubas did a better job at this point.

JS always seems to zig when the fanbase zags. everyone was clowning on him a week ago for being so wrong about Domi and Tre etc. today he said he thinks they could still win this. it seems fun to not be a fan of this team in any case

 

[leafs in five]

some great posts on pages 320-21, thereabouts

 

[hotpaws]

Did you sleep through this deadline?

2 yrs since you're hero got kicked kicked to the curb like the incompetent piece of crap he is and you're still going strong !

I'm impressed with your with devotion !

 

[notbias]

2 yrs since you're hero got kicked kicked to the curb like the incompetent piece of crap he is and you're still going strong !

I'm impressed with your with devotion !

2x 1sts, 2x top 5 prospects for the Leafs, gone at the deadline.

You need to try to keep up with this team a little more, it's time you move on from the past and focus on the present.

 

[GoonieFace]

2x 1sts, 2x top 5 prospects for the Leafs, gone at the deadline.

You need to try to keep up with this team a little more, it's time you move on from the past and focus on the present.

Minten and Grebs are maybe top 5 prospects on the Leafs, but not many other NHL teams. Mainly because they have thrown away everything the past 5 or 6 years to support this core group.

So far, Tre isn’t much better than Dubas. If they lose this series, than Tre has some real work to do.

 

[hotpaws]

2x 1sts, 2x top 5 prospects for the Leafs, gone at the deadline.

You need to try to keep up with this team a little more, it's time you move on from the past and focus on the present.

no idea what your point is since you proclaimed Dubas a genius for trading a 1st plus plus for a washed Foligno as a rental among other brutal moves !

 

[LaPlante94]

He re-signed Matthews/Nylander, and Marner's NMC hadn't kicked in.

#1C and only winger that did anything in big games so obvious signings. Marners NMC kicked in a month after he was hired.

 

[notbias]

Minten and Grebs are maybe top 5 prospects on the Leafs, but not many other NHL teams. Mainly because they have thrown away everything the past 5 or 6 years to support this core group.

So far, Tre isn’t much better than Dubas. If they lose this series, than Tre has some real work to do.

Minten was likely our 2nd best prospect, Greb, there is a debate, but I had him at 5, but sure, maybe he is not.

#1C and only winger that did anything in big games so obvious signings. Marners NMC kicked in a month after he was hired.

He tried to trade Nylander...

no idea what your point is since you proclaimed Dubas a genius for trading a 1st plus plus for a washed Foligno as a rental among other brutal moves !

I am sure I did.

Thank you for proving that you have to make things up to try to prove a point (not even sure what the point was).

 

[LaPlante94]

Minten was likely our 2nd best prospect, Greb, there is a debate, but I had him at 5, but sure, maybe he is not.



He tried to trade Nylander...



I am sure I did.

Thank you for proving that you have to make things up to try to prove a point (not even sure what the point was).

His priority was to sign him but was open to trading him. Literally 95% of the leagues players are gonna be treated like this, especially if their agents are asking for numbers not close to what the team had in mind.

 

[Menzinger]

If the team flames out im just genuinely surprised at the defences the guy is being given.

He's committed everything to this core - has built a good D core (full credit where credit is due) that is also old and needs to focus on the short term competitiveness to get the most out of them.

And traded 2/3 next three 1sts and a couple prospects to accelerate this vision of the team, preventing a rebuild or even step back from happening until 2028 at the absolute earliest.

He was brought in to finish Shanny's vision of the team, and it's exactly what he's done so far. If this flops, he along with Shanny need to be given the boot and a completely fresh front office brought in to try a few vision.

Dubas' deserved to go and so does Tre.

 

[hotpaws]

I am sure I did.

Thank you for proving that you have to make things up to try to prove a point (not even sure what the point was).

I have no idea what bs your trying to spin now but you praised every move Dubas made and have been on tilt every since he's was fired!

 

[hotpaws]

If the team flames out im just genuinely surprised at the defences the guy is being given.

He's committed everything to this core - has built a good D core (full credit where credit is due) that is also old and needs to focus on the short term competitiveness to get the most out of them.

And traded 2/3 next three 1sts and a couple prospects to accelerate this vision of the team, preventing a rebuild or even step back from happening until 2028 at the absolute earliest.

He was brought in to finish Shanny's vision of the team, and it's exactly what he's done so far. If this flops, he along with Shanny need to be given the boot and a completely fresh front office brought in to try a few vision.

Dubas' deserved to go and so does Tre.

I'm genuinely surprised you've all of sudden become so critical of mgmt after endlessly praising our failed former GM who has also been a clusterf*** in Pitt the last 2 yrs.

whatever input or faults Shanny has had in his tenure here at least i can at least say he didn't allow Dubas to trade for EK like he instantly did in his new job !

 

[Menzinger]

I'm genuinely surprised you've all of sudden become so critical of mgmt after endlessly praising our failed former GM who has also been a clusterf*** in Pitt the last 2 yrs.

whatever input or faults Shanny has had in his tenure here at least i can at least say he didn't allow Dubas to trade for EK like he instantly did in his new job !

Peoples minds change.

Though i'm not surprised you're still obsessed over Dubas several years after he's no longer with the team however.

 

[Leafsfan74]

If the team flames out im just genuinely surprised at the defences the guy is being given.

He's committed everything to this core - has built a good D core (full credit where credit is due) that is also old and needs to focus on the short term competitiveness to get the most out of them.

And traded 2/3 next three 1sts and a couple prospects to accelerate this vision of the team, preventing a rebuild or even step back from happening until 2028 at the absolute earliest.

He was brought in to finish Shanny's vision of the team, and it's exactly what he's done so far. If this flops, he along with Shanny need to be given the boot and a completely fresh front office brought in to try a few vision.

Dubas' deserved to go and so does Tre.

This is why I hoped he wouldnt overpay this deadline. The problem is the Leafs always do a great job of giving the appearance they are just a player or two to the Cup, especially this stretch run when they were so dominant in winning the division against tough teams.

Except every single playoff they have proven they do not play well under pressure and when the chips are down. 10 years later they still dont have the sacrifice. it's staggering.

Imagine if Dubas didn't have to overpay Marner et al and could have re-signed Hyman instead? Oilers went for the players the Leafs SHOULD have went for, but, their corporate culture wouldnt ever allow it. The Kanes and the Perrys of the world who are strive in the playoffs

Then to add insult to injury, when they finally have an opportunity to get a playoff guy like Rantanen in exchange for a player who they wont (pr he wont) re-sign anyways, the guy does them a solid for the many millions they paid him by not waiving his NMC for what would have at most been a few months in Carolina then he would be a UFA anyways.

The Leafs have never changed. They've allowed the team to be a Clubhouse and thus they get people who like the comfort a Clubhouse provides.

This re-tooling is going to be difficult. The same DNA Brad sought for the back end must be sought up front. They can be veterans like Patches who played in the league long enough to remember the tougher series. It could be a Perry type player.

You dont need to break the bank. Vegas went to the Finals with a bunch of toss away players in their initial year

 

[colchar]

You just listed a bunch of guys past their prime

And yet they have played very well this year.

Rielly has arguably been the best D this playoffs

Are you f**king high?!?!

So they will need a #1D, a better winger to push Nylander down after Marner leaves, a 2C, and will have ~30-40 million to do all that and no assets.

So $30-$40 million for three players? Unless he gives out moronic Dubas-like contracts he has plenty of money to spend.