Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[SnizzNasty88]

Foligno trade was absolutely horrendous, Malgin for Marchment pathetic, McCann to protect Justin Holl of all people was mind blowingly pathetic, trading for an often injured Murray, trading Trevor Moore, a very effective player for Backup Jack, O’Reilly trade was utterly pointless as we didn’t have even close to a contender, trading Connor Brown for Cody Ceci. I thank God every day this donkey is no longer the GM. If he was, we’d have Samsonov on a long term deal at a $5M AAV right now. Shall I get started on the signings and other terrible decisions?

Also, pretty widely noted that he traded Kessel for that garbage heap of assets to PIT. To add, the Kadri trade…my goodness. Let’s add another one, Marleau for a 1st (Seth Jarvis) when every other team only gave up 2nds to rid themselves of bad deals, why? Because Kyle Dumbass mismanaged the cap and cornered himself. Lets add one more, a 100 year old Giordano for 2 2nds…

 

[Martin Skoula]

Also, pretty widely noted that he traded Kessel for that garbage heap of assets to PIT. To add, the Kadri trade…my goodness. Let’s add another one, Marleau for a 1st (Seth Jarvis) when every other team only gave up 2nds to rid themselves of bad deals, why? Because Kyle Dumbass mismanaged the cap and cornered himself. Lets add one more, a 100 year old Giordano for 2 2nds…

What did Monahan cost to dump? What did the team that took him trade him for?

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Foligno got injured, not a good trade, but far from the worst.
Malgin for Marchment is bad in hindsight, Florida even sent Marchment to the AHL, they didn't even think he was an NHL player.
Murray didn't work out because of injury.
Holl was a top 4 D at the time, pathtic is your knowledge of the team at the time.
Campbell had good seasons with us, what are you talking about?
We have basically the same team as when we brought on O'Reilly.
Source on signing Samsanov long term?

Also, yes, continue, it is enjoyable so far.

Calling Justin Holl a top 4 dman just shows how absolutely clueless you are. That guy doesn’t even belong in the ECHL yet he was protected and a 30-40 goal guy was exposed. Let’s also not forget that Dumbass almost traded Knies and 2 1st rounders to unload Mrazek (a pathetic signing by him, shocker) for Hagel and Fleury, who has sucked for years.

 

[notbias]

Calling Justin Holl a top 4 dman just shows how absolutely clueless you are. That guy doesn’t even belong in the ECHL yet he was protected and a 30-40 goal guy was exposed. Let’s also not forget that Dumbass almost traded Knies and 2 1st rounders to unload Mrazek (a pathetic signing by him, shocker) for Hagel and Fleury, who has sucked for years.

I will sum all this up by saying.

You are absolutely clueless, that Hagel offer was proven not to have happened.

Also, Hagel > Knies, especially when Knies ends up signing for more.

 

[notbias]

What did Monahan cost to dump? What did the team that took him trade him for?

Oh, I can answer this.

Monahan cost the Flames a 1st.

Then Montreal flipped him and gained a 1st + 3rd.

Montreal ended up getting 2x 1st + a 3rd for taking on Monahan.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

I will sum all this up by saying.

You are absolutely clueless, that Hagel offer was proven not to have happened.

Also, Hagel > Knies, especially when Knies ends up signing for more.

Clueless, my friend is what you are, and the rest of the donkey Dubasites who worship the biggest fraud hockey has ever seen. Actually yes, Dreger tweeted it and it was widely noted that the Leafs were pissed the deal leaked. Look it up. Hagel is good yes, but worth Knies and 2 1sts? Absolutely not. This was just the bad trades. If you want, we can do the bad signings and decisions now that you’ve gotten me started. You might be the most clueless fan on this board, tough look for you fella.

 

[MK78]

The debacle he’s created in Pittsburgh confirms the incompetence of Dumbass.

Agreed. Yeah Pitt had some issues, but under Dubas it completely fell apart.

That press conference he had after the Leafs loss to Florida was the best thing that happened to the Leafs long term, because Shanahan was ready to resign him.

 

[notbias]

Clueless, my friend is what you are, and the rest of the donkey Dubasites who worship the biggest fraud hockey has ever seen. Actually yes, Dreger tweeted it and it was widely noted that the Leafs were pissed the deal leaked. Look it up. Hagel is good yes, but worth Knies and 2 1sts? Absolutely not. This was just the bad trades. If you want, we can do the bad signings and decisions now that you’ve gotten me started. You might be the most clueless fan on this board, tough look for you fella.​

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On his 32 Thoughts podcast, Elliotte Friedman told the story of the night the deal leaked and the whirlwind of events that followed. Friedman also revealed what both Shanahan and Dubas had said about the deal at the time.
"The Maple Leafs were like 'We never were gonna do that deal, it was presented to us' and basically, I think I can say it now, both Dubas and Shanahan made it very clear, they were like 'how stupid do you think we are that either one of us would consider making that trade?' and they were adamant that neither one of them wanted to do it and they defended each other. They were like 'The other guy didn't want to do it either.' I think the story I was told, if I remember correctly, was I guess Shanahan was asking 'what's going on out there?' And they were talking about their talks with Chicago so Dubas showed it to Shanahan and Shanahan's like 'we're not doing this' and Dubas was like 'of course we're not doing it, I'm just showing it to you' and apparently they both laughed." - Elliotte Friedman on a trade proposed to the Leafs by Chicago
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Are you this confidently wrong in all aspects of life?

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Are you this confidently wrong in all aspects of life?

If Dreger reported false info then that’s on him. Wouldn’t have surprised me if Dumbass wanted to do the deal though with his track record of trades. The signings offer no reason to think otherwise too. Atrocious GM and is currently destroying the Pens.

 

[Tak7]

If Dreger reported false info then that’s on him. Wouldn’t have surprised me if Dumbass wanted to do the deal though with his track record of trades. The signings offer no reason to think otherwise too. Atrocious GM and is currently destroying the Pens.

How are his signings, in anyway indicative of the way he does trades?
Those are 2 completely different, unrelated parts of the GM's job.

 

[Ports]

Can you show the stats on reduced second/third chances compared to the past 5 years? I'd be curious to see which seasons that was the best.

Also, how are you measuring the better defensive play?

Goaltending, sure.

When they’re playing their system the eye test can tell you how they’re taking the centre of the ice away, blocking shots and clearing the net front more effectively. They’re comfortable playing in low scoring games because they know their defense and goaltending is an advantage they have over their opponents and are satisfied to sit back, dump pucks out and play a low risk style of hockey that is more conducive to winning in the playoffs. They do not produce much offense from the back end so need to play this way to be successful. This is a change from previous Leafs teams that if their star players got shut down, they couldn’t win. Now they don’t cheat on offense as much and are more patient knowing that if they keep the games close they have enough scoring power to take advantage of their opponents mistakes and win with an emphasis on team defense first.

 

[Dreakmur]

Based on?

His time in Calgary? His regular season record?

His time in Calgary and his time here.

The team he inherited in Calgary had a top line of Mikael Backlund, Mike Cammalleri, and Jiri Hudler. Hudler was the teams only 50 point scorer. He built that into an outside Stanley Cup threat with one of the best 1st lines in the league. That fell apart when Gaudreau and Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary.

He was bad at hiring coaches in Calgary, though it does appear that the last Sutter wasn’t his call.

It seems crazy how much this regular season has changed people's opinion on how important the regular season is.

It’s not about how we have done in the regular season. It’s about how it looks a lot more like a team that can succeed in the playoffs. It’s still going to come down to the core guys, but they are much better surrounded this year.

"We play different"... Prove it with anything statistically, the only thing that has improved is goaltending.

The only thing that has improved is the most important thing….

 

[notbias]

When they’re playing their system the eye test can tell you how they’re taking the centre of the ice away, blocking shots and clearing the net front more effectively. They’re comfortable playing in low scoring games because they know their defense and goaltending is an advantage they have over their opponents and are satisfied to sit back, dump pucks out and play a low risk style of hockey that is more conducive to winning in the playoffs. They do not produce much offense from the back end so need to play this way to be successful. This is a change from previous Leafs teams that if their star players got shut down, they couldn’t win. Now they don’t cheat on offense as much and are more patient knowing that if they keep the games close they have enough scoring power to take advantage of their opponents mistakes and win with an emphasis on team defense first.

All you said was "trust me".

I just want numbers and facts to back it up, that's all.

Anyway, I know that is not likely to happen, but was just curious if there was anything to show that.

 

[notbias]

His time in Calgary and his time here.

The team he inherited in Calgary had a top line of Mikael Backlund, Mike Cammalleri, and Jiri Hudler. Hudler was the teams only 50 point scorer. He built that into an outside Stanley Cup threat with one of the best 1st lines in the league. That fell apart when Gaudreau and Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary.

He was bad at hiring coaches in Calgary, though it does appear that the last Sutter wasn’t his call.

Look into why Tkachuk left.

But glad he was really good, except for in the results he had.

It’s not about how we have done in the regular season. It’s about how it looks a lot more like a team that can succeed in the playoffs. It’s still going to come down to the core guys, but they are much better surrounded this year.

We have looked like a dangerous team for years.

The only thing that has improved is the most important thing….

Time will tell if the goaltending is improved, defensively the team looks better on paper and worse in practice.

 

[chamchibap]

Agree 100% - - no GM has ever done less with more than Dumbass did in Toronto.

The debacle he’s created in Pittsburgh confirms the incompetence of Dumbass. Look at these horrific contracts:

Ryan Graves - - $4.5 AAV for six years
Tristan Jarry - - $5.375 for five years
Erik Karlsson - - $11.5 for four years

That’s nearly 25% of the salary cap locked up with three useless scrubs. Unbelievable how clueless Dumbass is.

Alright. Those are some ugly deals. If trading out of those 3 would might take 3 FRPs or more…those are window closing deals

 

[Tak7]

Time will tell if the goaltending is improved, defensively the team looks better on paper and worse in practice.

My big worry about that blueline is how slow they look at times - they aren't the best at moving the puck, so you combine that with their lack of footspeed, and I can see prolonged periods of being stuck in their own end against a zippy Ottawa forecheck.

 

[Dreakmur]

Look into why Tkachuk left.

But glad he was really good, except for in the results he had.

Two playoff series win after inheriting a terrible roster in a backwater location.

That’s better results than Dubas after inheriting an elite young core in a destination location.

We have looked like a dangerous team for years.

Dangerous in the regular season, sure.

We looked like a good playoff team only once, and that cost Dubas multiple first round picks to completely change the roster at the deadline.

Time will tell if the goaltending is improved, defensively the team looks better on paper and worse in practice.

Rielly’s deterioration has hurt in that regard for sure. It’s probably time to change how he is evaluated “on paper”.

 

[notbias]

Two playoff series win after inheriting a terrible roster in a backwater location.

That’s better results than Dubas after inheriting an elite young core in a destination location.

Our core is elite now? I can never keep up with if they are playoff studs or duds.

Dangerous in the regular season, sure.

We looked like a good playoff team only once, and that cost Dubas multiple first round picks to completely change the roster at the deadline.

We've looked like a good playoff team for like a month...

 

[notbias]

Agree 100% - - no GM has ever done less with more than Dumbass did in Toronto.

The debacle he’s created in Pittsburgh confirms the incompetence of Dumbass. Look at these horrific contracts:

Ryan Graves - - $4.5 AAV for six years
Tristan Jarry - - $5.375 for five years
Erik Karlsson - - $11.5 for four years

That’s nearly 25% of the salary cap locked up with three useless scrubs. Unbelievable how clueless Dumbass is.

The funniest part about all of this is that Huberdeau has a worse contract than any of those players.

 

[notbias]

My big worry about that blueline is how slow they look at times - they aren't the best at moving the puck, so you combine that with their lack of footspeed, and I can see prolonged periods of being stuck in their own end against a zippy Ottawa forecheck.

The team in general is pretty slow.

I am most worried about our goaltending putting up a couple bad games in a series, because we rely on them A LOT.

 

[Stephen]

Yes it’s easier to win the Atlantic when teams like Boston and Florida aren’t running away with the Presidents trophy.

You can praise the good things Tre has done without seeming incapable of understanding context. It’s like political ads in here lol.

I think you’re not wrong here.

Back in 2022 and 2023 I did say that the Leafs climb to a championship level would be predicated on not only getting better and maturing via trade, signings and internal growth, but also the relative rate of decline experienced by Tampa and Boston (and I guess Florida now too).

So if the Leafs go farther than ever before, but they might not actually be better than the 2022 and 2023 versions of their division rivals to get there.

 

[Donnie740]

Let’s compare what Treliving and Dumbass did in free agency this past summer.

Both signed a defenceman:
Ryan Graves - - $4.5 AAV for six years
Chris Tanev - - $4.5 AAV for six years

Both signed a goaltender:
Tristan Jarry - - $5.375 AAV for five years
Anthony Stolarz - - $2.5 AAV for two years

What an unbelievable difference it makes to finally have a competent GM in Toronto.

Dumbass has absolutely no idea how to assess hockey players.

 

[Stephen]

The funniest part about all of this is that Huberdeau has a worse contract than any of those players.

If you inserted Kadri, Huberdeau and Weegar in place of Karlsson, Graves and the Jarry contract, I’m pretty confident the Penguins wouldn’t be a lottery team.

 

[Stephen]

Let’s compare what Treliving and Dumbass did in free agency this past summer.

Both signed a defenceman:
Ryan Graves - - $4.5 AAV for six years
Chris Tanev - - $4.5 AAV for six years

Both signed a goaltender:
Tristan Jarry - - $5.375 AAV for five years
Anthony Stolarz - - $2.5 AAV for two years

What an unbelievable difference it makes to finally have a competent GM in Toronto.

Dumbass has absolutely no idea how to assess hockey players.

I like how Dubas used to say goalies are voodoo but specifically went out of his way to get the guys with the loosest screws.

Peter Mrazek
Jack Campbell
Ilya Samsonov
Matt Murray

 

[Donnie740]

The funniest part about all of this is that Huberdeau has a worse contract than any of those players.

The difference is Treliving learned from his mistakes but Kyle Dumbass just keeps making the exact same mistakes year after year.