Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[notbias]

If you inserted Kadri, Huberdeau and Weegar in place of Karlsson, Graves and the Jarry contract, I’m pretty confident the Penguins wouldn’t be a lottery team.

I am pretty confident they would be...

Why did you use Kadri over Coleman? Salaries match up better this way.

Also, should probably do Markstrom instead of Weegar to balance the goaltenders... seems like the signings were cherry picked, not shocked.

Forgot the Kadri contract is until he is 38, that's another bad one.

Let’s compare what Treliving and Dumbass did in free agency this past summer.

Both signed a defenceman:
Ryan Graves - - $4.5 AAV for six years
Chris Tanev - - $4.5 AAV for six years

Both signed a goaltender:
Tristan Jarry - - $5.375 AAV for five years
Anthony Stolarz - - $2.5 AAV for two years

What an unbelievable difference it makes to finally have a competent GM in Toronto.

Dumbass has absolutely no idea how to assess hockey players.

Good job on getting the wrong years for signings.

The difference is Treliving learned from his mistakes but Kyle Dumbass just keeps making the exact same mistakes year after year.

Signing the D core until retirement is not learning from your mistakes, it is making a mess and leaving it to the next guy, just like he did in Calgary.

 

[Tak7]

I like how Dubas used to say goalies are voodoo but specifically went out of his way to get the guys with the loosest screws.

Peter Mrazek
Jack Campbell
Ilya Samsonov
Matt Murray

You have to be "a little" nuts to be a goalie.
You have to be "very" nuts to be a goalie in Toronto.
Maybe that's what Kyle was trying to double down on lol.

 

[Tak7]

The team in general is pretty slow.

I am most worried about our goaltending putting up a couple bad games in a series, because we rely on them A LOT.

I've said all year that I've hated how often our goalies have had to be one of the 3 stars in order for us just to hang around in games.

That's why Berube hockey has never felt sustainable to me. The past 10-15 game stretch is really the first time it's felt somewhat better, but still not great.

 

[notbias]

I've said all year that I've hated how often our goalies have had to be one of the 3 stars in order for us just to hang around in games.

That's why Berube hockey has never felt sustainable to me. The past 10-15 game stretch is really the first time it's felt somewhat better, but still not great.

I feel good with Stolarz or Woll (I have felt good with goalies in the past too).

But I agree, being outplayed and relying on big saves is not ideal.

A good recent example was Montreal and their finals run.

Having said that, teams have won or gone very far on good goaltending alone, so anything can happen.

 

[Stephen]

I am pretty confident they would be...

Why did you use Kadri over Coleman? Salaries match up better this way.

Also, should probably do Markstrom instead of Weegar to balance the goaltenders... seems like the signings were cherry picked, not shocked.

Forgot the Kadri contract is until he is 38, that's another bad one.

Feel free to “cherry pick” the good Dubas trades and signings in Pittsburgh without Brendan Shanahan’s adult supervision. Will be here all day.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Kyle Dumbass was quite easily the worst, simply based on the fact that he inherited the most while achieving the absolute least. Don’t even get me started on all the bad trades, signings and decisions he made. Knies is nice though, but one gem in 5 years? Pathetic.

From well over 60 years of watching the Leafs I can say he probably wasn't the worst, although he's certainly in the conversation.

 

[Stephen]

From well over 60 years of watching the Leafs I can say he probably wasn't the worst, although he's certainly in the conversation.

He started off with the greatest advantage but squandered assets, time and opportunity. He did less with more.

 

[notbias]

Feel free to “cherry pick” the good Dubas trades and signings in Pittsburgh without Brendan Shanahan’s adult supervision. Will be here all day.

[MOD]

I found it weird that you ignored positioning and cap hits when picking out "random" signings.

He just signed Crosby, does that count?

Likely not, but that is probably his best and better than anything I can think of from Tre (may be wrong).

He hasn't done much there since they have to wait for the old guys to retire, and they already tried doing patchwork to give them another shot, but it didn't work.

Regardless, I don't care what he does there, it's not my concern.

I just want you to clarify your stance on Dubas now that nothing was his fault in Toronto, since Shanahan was supervising him, that seems to be what you are implying.

 

[notbias]

He started off with the greatest advantage but squandered assets, time and opportunity. He did less with more.

Are the star players good in the playoffs again, or are they duds?

I can never keep up with the back and forth.

Some of you have a different opinion every thread.

 

[MK78]

He just signed Crosby, does that count?

He would be ran out of town if he didn't. Same with Ovechkin in Washington a few years back.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

For any donkeys talking about Tre and “how he left CGY in shambles”, let’s look at the fact that he drafted Coronato, Wolf (likely a Calder nominee), Zary, Andersson, signed Kadri, got Huberdeau, Weegar and a 1st for a player who openly didn’t want to be there, got Lindholm and Hanifin for Hamilton (steal of a trade) and signed Markstrom. He did very well there with what he was given and ownership’s mandate of not wanting a rebuild.

 

[Stephen]

[MOD]

I found it weird that you ignored positioning and cap hits when picking out "random" signings.

He just signed Crosby, does that count?

Likely not, but that is probably his best and better than anything I can think of from Tre (may be wrong).

He hasn't done much there since they have to wait for the old guys to retire, and they already tried doing patchwork to give them another shot, but it didn't work.

Regardless, I don't care what he does there, it's not my concern.

I just want you to clarify your stance on Dubas now that nothing was his fault in Toronto, since Shanahan was supervising him, that seems to be what you are implying.

I’m saying Dubas is a terrible GM, I don’t know how clear one has to be about that point.

 

[Stephen]

Are the star players good in the playoffs again, or are they duds?

I can never keep up with the back and forth.

Some of you have a different opinion every thread.

Both can be true. Stars underperform historically and the GM put poor support casts around them. Many things have to go wrong for such a poor playoff track record.

 

[notbias]

Both can be true. Stars underperform historically and the GM put poor support casts around them. Many things have to go wrong for such a poor playoff track record.

So he wasn't given great assets?

Your argument is not logical, you should probably pick a side of the argument and stick to it.

Did Dubas inherit amazing assets or poor playoff performers?

I’m saying Dubas is a terrible GM, I don’t know how clear one has to be about that point.

Again, this adds nothing...

 

[DarkKnight]

Dubists still pissing in the wind, drenched and defiant? lol.

Take this out of biases, everyone who follows the team agree it’s MUCH different, defence completely remade, goaltending an actual strength now. Style, coach, come on.

One thing to add, every good team needs great goaltending, how many times have we lamented out inferiority in the crease, now it’s a crutch? Hilarious.

Bravo Tre, now let’s see if the core Dubas inherited too comes through…

 

[Stephen]

So he wasn't given great assets?

Your argument is not logical, you should probably pick a side of the argument and stick to it.

Did Dubas inherit amazing assets or poor playoff performers?



Again, this adds nothing...

Dubas was tasked with shaping a championship team out of a talented young core and he failed miserably at his job and his core did him on favours.

Now we are here hoping Treliving has done the job properly and we’ll celebrate the moment by dunking on Dubas.

 

[Aashir]

So he wasn't given great assets?

Your argument is not logical, you should probably pick a side of the argument and stick to it.

Did Dubas inherit amazing assets or poor playoff performers?

I mean the way I see it is he was gifted some amazing assets, didn't sell when he should/sold them for wrong pieces and over time they showed they were poor playoff performers. They became bad playoff performers after he became GM.

It's not like the core 3 + rielly were born bad performers and were destined to be this way forever. In their 22/23 year old seasons even when they had bad runs no one was placing them beside joe thornton and patrick marleau back then. That came from a few more years of bad performances.

He held onto assets past their 'best before' date and now they've turned a bit rotten i guess. He also bought some assets that were past their 'best before' date too. Or he overpaid heavily on some good assets.

 

[Dreakmur]

Our core is elite now? I can never keep up with if they are playoff studs or duds.

They are elite in the regular season and duds in the playoffs generally.

Does that drastically change the position that he inherited? A whole pile of excellent young players….

We've looked like a good playoff team for like a month...

Sure.

 

[notbias]

They are elite in the regular season and duds in the playoffs generally.

Does that drastically change the position that he inherited? A whole pile of excellent young players….

You just said they weren't excellent young players.

You can't claim he should have done more because he got these amazing players, and then also say they aren't good players...

I mean the way I see it is he was gifted some amazing assets, didn't sell when he should/sold them for wrong pieces and over time they showed they were poor playoff performers. They became bad playoff performers after he became GM.

It's not like the core 3 + rielly were born bad performers and were destined to be this way forever. In their 22/23 year old seasons even when they had bad runs no one was placing them beside joe thornton and patrick marleau back then. That came from a few more years of bad performances.

He held onto assets past their 'best before' date and now they've turned a bit rotten i guess. He also bought some assets that were past their 'best before' date too. Or he overpaid heavily on some good assets.

So you are just arguing he should have sold... I guess that's fair.

 

[LeafSteel]

Dubists still pissing in the wind, drenched and defiant? lol.

Take this out of biases, everyone who follows the team agree it’s MUCH different, defence completely remade, goaltending an actual strength now. Style, coach, come on.

One thing to add, every good team needs great goaltending, how many times have we lamented out inferiority in the crease, now it’s a crutch? Hilarious.

Bravo Tre, now let’s see if the core Dubas inherited too comes through…

But but but but but……statistics…….. numbers……. Excel spreadsheets………WAR……EGA……..HGP………. GTFO’s…..

How can any of this be true without these??? They explain CLEARLY all of our 1st round playoff failures recalibrating opportunities….,

SHOW YOUR WORK!!!!!

 

[Mess]

But but but but but……statistics…….. numbers……. Excel spreadsheets………WAR……EGA……..HGP………. GTFO’s…..

How can anyone this be true without these???

SHOW YOUR WORK!!!!!

In the world of imaginary "Expected" numbers a clueless Dubas was a legend in his own mind.

In the real world here on earth "Actual" numbers and results, validated him as a complete failure.,

The results speak for themselves.

 

[Dreakmur]

You just said they weren't excellent young players.

I did?

You can't claim he should have done more because he got these amazing players, and then also say they aren't good players...

I called them an elite core and you questioned that.

I suppose it would help if you shared your opinion too. Are Matthews, Marner, and Nylander an elite group of players?

 

[Mess]

As GM Treliving needs to win 6 playoff games this year, as that would make it the BEST performance by a Leafs team in the last 20 years since the Salary Cap was instituted in 2005.

Our previous GM managed to win a max 5 playoff games in any playoff year over the course of 5 playoff years and he only managed that one time.

That is a pretty low bar set to show team success improvement and more Cup competitiveness.

Winning the Atlantic Div and having home ice advantage throughout the division has set his coach up with last change and line matching and home crowd advantages, setting the table hopefully the BEST Leafs results in the past 2 decades.

 

[Sypher04]

Our previous GM managed to win a max 5 playoff games in any playoff series over the course of 5 playoff years and he only managed that one time.

I don’t know, 5 wins in a playoff series seems pretty impressive to me

 

[Mess]

Lets not forget our GM Treliving had competed a successful potential trade that would have sent Marner to Carolina for powerforward Mikko Rantanen in a 1-1 deal, only to be overturned by Marner's NMC.

The Leafs would be SO much stronger heading into these playoffs had that transactions been completed.

Over the course of the last 5 playoff years Rantanen sits 4th in playoff scoring combined, behind only McDavid, Draisaitl and Kucherov.

Marner's career playoff points after 8 seasons is 11 goals and 50 points.

Mitch better have the playoffs of his life, to offset what this trade could have meant to Treliving's job performance.