Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[DarkKnight]

Dude went out and got us the best goalie we’ve had in forever, for not much. All those years of Dubas fumbling the position and Tre hits a homer. Throw in our best D, half of which he brought in, deserves some credit.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Dude went out and got us the best goalie we’ve had in forever, for not much. All those years of Dubas fumbling the position and Tre hits a homer. Throw in our best D, half of which he brought in, deserves some credit.

I'm going to be honest I wasn't fully on board with Stolarz, I didn't fully trust Woll to stay healthy or be consistent, I wanted an established starter.

While I still don't fully trust Woll's consistency I was wrong about Stolarz, at least this year anyway.

I do wonder what they do long term because Stolarz only has 1 year left.

But that's a discussion for the off season, if not October

 

[notbias]

Dude went out and got us the best goalie we’ve had in forever, for not much. All those years of Dubas fumbling the position and Tre hits a homer. Throw in our best D, half of which he brought in, deserves some credit.

New fan?

We've had some amazing goalies in the regular season... even some that stepped up big in the playoffs.

I am still skeptical about Stolarz because we've seen this multiple times already.

Hope he plays the same in the playoffs.

 

[Confucius]

Not much different than past GM’s, at the end of the day it’s the same results

 

[notDatsyuk]

Not much different than past GM’s, at the end of the day it’s the same results

I don't see not quite two seasons (and only one playoff) as "at the end of the day".

I think a minimum of the upcoming playoffs is necessary for a reasonable assessment, and "at the end of the day" can't realistically come before he's let go.

 

[notbias]

I don't see not quite two seasons (and only one playoff) as "at the end of the day".

I think a minimum of the upcoming playoffs is necessary for a reasonable assessment, and "at the end of the day" can't realistically come before he's let go.

It's hockey, so anything can happen and anyone can win.

But this team is getting older, he has signed basically our entire top 4 until they retire (Rielly was before).

I am not betting on our team getting significantly better year over year...

I think you can comment on what he has done for now without being shamed for doing so.

This team is basically the same as every year, same core players, patch work around the edges, a backup/struggling goalie hopefully will save the day.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

It's hockey, so anything can happen and anyone can win.

But this team is getting older, he has signed basically our entire top 4 until they retire (Rielly was before).

I am not betting on our team getting significantly better year over year...

I think you can comment on what he has done for now without being shamed for doing so.

This team is basically the same as every year, same core players, patch work around the edges, a backup/struggling goalie hopefully will save the day.

"Patch work around the edges?" Yeah the forward group, specifically the bottom six, leaves something to be desired, but pound for pound this is our best group of defensemen since the Burns era. Our top four is finally filled with four legitimate top four defensemen and doesn't have moonlighters like Holl or Lyubushkin or Schenn (who while he performed greatly for us that was because of insane chemistry with Rielly who was on another level that year).

And neither Stolarz or Woll are struggling.

 

[notbias]

"Patch work around the edges?" Yeah the forward group, specifically the bottom six, leaves something to be desired, but pound for pound this is our best group of defensemen since the Burns era. Our top four is finally filled with four legitimate top four defensemen and doesn't have moonlighters like Holl or Lyubushkin or Schenn (who while he performed greatly for us that was because of insane chemistry with Rielly who was on another level that year).

I preferred the top 4 of Muzzin, Brodie, Rielly, and Holl.

All those players were playing their best hockey at the time.

Muzzin was our best D we've had.

Maybe if this D core were all 5 years younger, it'd be better.

And neither Stolarz or Woll are struggling.

We've had good goalies, but they just have either not lasted multiple years or been good in the regular season and bad in the playoffs.

It's weird how much confidence people have in Stolarz when we've been burned a few times in the past.

Woll has been here the entire time and has had some great series.

 

[Schennanigans]

Get rid of Rielly

 

[Donnie740]

I preferred the top 4 of Muzzin, Brodie, Rielly, and Holl.

All those players were playing their best hockey at the time.

Justin Holl was cartoonishly bad. Even worse than Simon Benoit.

Holl was so brutal in his last year with Toronto that pretty much all the Leafs goals against during that postseason happened with him on the ice. Until he was mercifully sent to the press box.

 

[notDatsyuk]

It's hockey, so anything can happen and anyone can win.

But this team is getting older, he has signed basically our entire top 4 until they retire (Rielly was before).

I am not betting on our team getting significantly better year over year...

I think you can comment on what he has done for now without being shamed for doing so.

This team is basically the same as every year, same core players, patch work around the edges, a backup/struggling goalie hopefully will save the day.

I don't think pointing out that an opinion may be premature qualifies as 'shaming'.

I obviously missed him signing JT and Mitch to new contracts and extending Matty's, if he "has signed basically our entire top 4 until they retire".

I guess I see the changes he's made in a different way than you do.

 

[notbias]

I don't think pointing out that an opinion may be premature qualifies as 'shaming'.

I obviously missed him signing JT and Mitch to new contracts and extending Matty's, if he "has signed basically our entire top 4 until they retire".

I guess I see the changes he's made in a different way than you do.

Top 4 generally refers to defensemen, just FYI.

I forgot about Carlo, but OEL, Rielly, Tanev, and McCabe all have retirement contracts and are on the wrong side of their prime.

I don't see many changes, I'd be curious how not changing anything of significance is making changes.

Unproven goalie to save the day, defensive defencemen brought in (Brodie), shuffling of bottom 6 and depth pieces...

He's continued with Dubas'/Shanahan's vision, and the people who hated it now like it, it's odd.

Not seeing much of a difference.

 

[Evilhomer]

Top 4 generally refers to defensemen, just FYI.

I forgot about Carlo, but OEL, Rielly, Tanev, and McCabe all have retirement contracts and are on the wrong side of their prime.

I don't see many changes, I'd be curious how not changing anything of significance is making changes.

Unproven goalie to save the day, defensive defencemen brought in (Brodie), shuffling of bottom 6 and depth pieces...

He's continued with Dubas'/Shanahan's vision, and the people who hated it now like it, it's odd.

Not seeing much of a difference.

The single biggest (and best) difference is behind the bench.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

Only blemish on his record is the Laughton trade.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Top 4 generally refers to defensemen, just FYI.

I forgot about Carlo, but OEL, Rielly, Tanev, and McCabe all have retirement contracts and are on the wrong side of their prime.

I don't see many changes, I'd be curious how not changing anything of significance is making changes.

Unproven goalie to save the day, defensive defencemen brought in (Brodie), shuffling of bottom 6 and depth pieces...

He's continued with Dubas'/Shanahan's vision, and the people who hated it now like it, it's odd.

Not seeing much of a difference.

"Top four" not "big four"? Got it.

Odd that you mention Carlo, OEL, and Tanev and then in the very next sentence say "I don't see many changes"?

I agree that with the mess Dubas left he hasn't been able to do much beyond "shuffling the bottom 6 and depth pieces", which is another reason not to rush judgement.

 

[Antropovsky]

Top 4 generally refers to defensemen, just FYI.

I forgot about Carlo, but OEL, Rielly, Tanev, and McCabe all have retirement contracts and are on the wrong side of their prime.

I don't see many changes, I'd be curious how not changing anything of significance is making changes.

Unproven goalie to save the day, defensive defencemen brought in (Brodie), shuffling of bottom 6 and depth pieces...

He's continued with Dubas'/Shanahan's vision, and the people who hated it now like it, it's odd.

Not seeing much of a difference.

Not trading Marner for a package that included a youngish defenseman was this teams biggest mistake.

Treliving has done great with what he's been allowed to do.

This is the most balanced team the Leafs have had since Matthews joined. Actually has toughness and size too. None of that "our PP is our toughness" bull$&%^ when Dubas was around. Or when Dubas had one guy with toughness lol.

Hes gotten creative and built a decent Defense... with what was available.

Reminder of the crap Dubas put together:

 

[notbias]

The single biggest (and best) difference is behind the bench.

What do you like most about his systems? How do they compare to the systems he ran in St Loius? He has had a terrible record besides the one year where he had the least influence on the team, what do you think about that?

 

[notbias]

"Top four" not "big four"? Got it.

Odd that you mention Carlo, OEL, and Tanev and then in the very next sentence say "I don't see many changes"?

I agree that with the mess Dubas left he hasn't been able to do much beyond "shuffling the bottom 6 and depth pieces", which is another reason not to rush judgement.

It's the same as bringing in Brodie, Muzzin, or McCabe. Dubas already did patchwork like this.

Are you all new fans or something?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I preferred the top 4 of Muzzin, Brodie, Rielly, and Holl.

All those players were playing their best hockey at the time.

Muzzin was our best D we've had.

Maybe if this D core were all 5 years younger, it'd be better.



We've had good goalies, but they just have either not lasted multiple years or been good in the regular season and bad in the playoffs.

It's weird how much confidence people have in Stolarz when we've been burned a few times in the past.

Woll has been here the entire time and has had some great series.

I'm sure you would. Doesn't mean it was better. Holl playing his best hockey is still a level below what we're currently getting from any of Tanev, McCabe, Carlo, and a rejuvenated Rielly.

Muzzin has been our best all around defenseman this era no doubt. But Holl and Brodie had deficiencies in their game even in their primes that made them suboptimal for playoff hockey. Neither guy was strong when it came to defending the front of the net and neither guy was physically active or imposing. Now Tanev and Carlo aren't bruisers either but both of them are stronger in front of the net than the latter two were.

And while Tanev is old he's still playing excellent hockey, McCabe and Rielly are the same age Muzzin was in 2021 and only one year older than Brodie was, and Carlo is one year younger than Holl was. I don't know why you're even harping about their age. Who cares how old they are? They're getting great results in the now. Hell if some of these guys were 5 years younger there's a good chance they wouldn't have the experience or maturity to anchor a top four. If you're worried about them aging out well we have another two years after this to judge since Muzzin, Holl, and Brodie were either not playing or washed by 2023.

Woll's previous experience and excellent playoff numbers help give some security, but Stolarz himself is putting up great numbers and is playing a style that bestows more confidence than the erratic nature of Samsonov or Campbell. We don't know if Stolarz will perform like Andersen did for us, who always got outdueled in the postseason, but we have no evidence either way how he'll do. And if he does, like I said we got an ace up our sleeve in Woll.

 

[notbias]

I'm sure you would. Doesn't mean it was better. Holl playing his best hockey is still a level below what we're currently getting from any of Tanev, McCabe, Carlo, and a rejuvenated Rielly.

Statistically, it was better...

Muzzin has been our best all around defenseman this era no doubt. But Holl and Brodie had deficiencies in their game even in their primes that made them suboptimal for playoff hockey. Neither guy was strong when it came to defending the front of the net and neither guy was physically active or imposing. Now Tanev and Carlo aren't bruisers either but both of them are stronger in front of the net than the latter two were.

All of our D have deficiencies in their game that make them suboptimal for playoff hockey, mostly none of them are good offensively.

You pointed out one thing that they are better at, they are also worse at things too, playoff hockey does not drastically change, no matter how many times people say it, it is not true.

And while Tanev is old he's still playing excellent hockey, McCabe and Rielly are the same age Muzzin was in 2021 and only one year older than Brodie was, and Carlo is one year younger than Holl was. I don't know why you're even harping about their age. Who cares how old they are? They're getting great results in the now. Hell if some of these guys were 5 years younger there's a good chance they wouldn't have the experience or maturity to anchor a top four. If you're worried about them aging out well we have another two years after this to judge since Muzzin, Holl, and Brodie were either not playing or washed by 2023.

Because they're signed for multiple years and this is a thread about the GM and his overall time here, not a single season, it is pretty simple.

They are not getting great results, why do we keep pretending this team is a defensive powerhouse just because they are better defensively on paper than last year?

Woll's previous experience and excellent playoff numbers help give some security, but Stolarz himself is putting up great numbers and is playing a style that bestows more confidence than the erratic nature of Samsonov or Campbell. We don't know if Stolarz will perform like Andersen did for us, who always got outdueled in the postseason, but we have no evidence either way how he'll do. And if he does, like I said we got an ace up our sleeve in Woll.

Samsanov and Campbell both put up great numbers.

Stolarz has cooler off significantly since the beginning of the season.

.914 since the break, and 5 of 13 games under .900 doesn't scream stable to me, but maybe it does to you.

 

[notDatsyuk]

It's the same as bringing in Brodie, Muzzin, or McCabe. Dubas already did patchwork like this.

Are you all new fans or something?

Not sure I'm 'all' fans, but I'm certainly not 'new', as I've been a Leafs fan for over 60 years.

Maybe the difference is that I can see the difference.

But as I said, if you think this is just patchwork (thanks to previous incompetence) that's all the more reason to not rush judgement, which was my original point to the person I originally responded to in my original post.

 

[notbias]

Not sure I'm 'all' fans, but I'm certainly not 'new', as I've been a Leafs fan for over 60 years.

You might just not have a good memory anymore.

Maybe the difference is that I can see the difference.

You clearly can't.

But as I said, if you think this is just patchwork (thanks to previous incompetence) that's all the more reason to not rush judgement.

You are delusional.

You've addressed no points and used feelings like always, fun talk.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You might just not have a good memory anymore.



You clearly can't.



You are delusional.

You've addressed no points and used feelings like always, fun talk.

As you seem to have descended into personal insults, I see no point in continuing to engage.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Fellas, don’t entertain notbias. He’s quite clearly a Dubasite. Kyle Dumbass was quite easily the most piss poor pathetic GM this team has ever had and it’s taken us some time to recover from the damage he did. Our team looks much better and balanced under Tre and I look forward to watching Tre continue to improve our club.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Fellas, don’t entertain notbias. He’s quite clearly a Dubasite. Kyle Dumbass was quite easily the most piss poor pathetic GM this team has ever had and it’s taken us some time to recover from the damage he did. Our team looks much better and balanced under Tre and I look forward to watching Tre continue to improve our club.

In over 60 years as a Leafs fan, with a very good memory, I would say Dubas has some serious competition for worst GM, but I agree with the rest of it.