Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Niagara Bill]

We picked up a big dman who will really help, and he is certainly worth a good 3rd round pick maybe 2nd on a great day. BUT. WE PAID WITH A VERY GOOD PROSPECT. AND A FIRST ROUND PICK.
We picked up a good old hometown boy, with experience, who replaced the 4th line center David Kamph. We may have to still pay Kampf but paying a mear 3rd round choice for this experience down the middle player appears to have benefit and certainly adds depth. But. WE PAID WITH A VERY GOOD PROSPECT AND A FIRST ROUND DRAFT CHOICE.
In one day, we emptied our minor system, gave us the day off on draft day and we don't have to listen to the talking heads and the endless drivel about who we should choose.
What an incredible waste, what desperation. How sad Treliving performance has been.

 

[tuckerintensity]

It doesn't appear that they have started negotiating, how could they be far apart?

I do agree they should have had this wrapped up by now.

I don't think there is anything saying they haven't talked, only that neither side would talk about this openly during the season. Both Marner and Treliving said that in September.

If we believe reports, the team did drag their heels at least at the start (and maybe did so with good reason), but then we get into the season and Mitch is not only great again (as expected), he carries us through a time with some pretty significant injuries and fits into a system people said he couldn't fit into. We still can't get it done and now he holds even more cards than he did in September. Treliving has done some great things, but he handled both this situation and the Nylander situation pretty terribly. Not only has Mitch been great for us, he was great for Team Canada, and the cap is going up. It's about the worst situation for the team trying to get him for anything of value. Now you have a comparable that is if Rantanen signed in Toronto, it would've had to be ~13.5 million. Disaster class of negotiating by the Leafs on this one.

 

[horner]

Rielly

Timmins
Myers

 

[arso40]

I don't think there is anything saying they haven't talked, only that neither side would talk about this openly during the season. Both Marner and Treliving said that in September.

If we believe reports, the team did drag their heels at least at the start (and maybe did so with good reason), but then we get into the season and Mitch is not only great again (as expected), he carries us through a time with some pretty significant injuries and fits into a system people said he couldn't fit into. We still can't get it done and now he holds even more cards than he did in September. Treliving has done some great things, but he handled both this situation and the Nylander situation pretty terribly. Not only has Mitch been great for us, he was great for Team Canada, and the cap is going up. It's about the worst situation for the team trying to get him for anything of value. Now you have a comparable that is if Rantanen signed in Toronto, it would've had to be ~13.5 million. Disaster class of negotiating by the Leafs on this one.

False he was not great for team Canada he had a great gold medal game and he had the over time 3 on 3 goal he was playing good without matthews being a power play merchant but he was instrumental during that time I still think we hold all the cards Mitch stands to lose more than just his name in his hometowns history books I wouldn’t move off 12.5

 

[crump]

We gave up a lot for a borderline 4th liner apparently. I hope Laughton channels his inner Corson or Tucker because he looks kind of useless out there now. The old built for playoffs line is our only hope with him. I like Carlo.

Is it enough to go along with Tanev, OEL and with Stolarz (and Woll) to make this team the best defensive playoff team we’ve had in the Matthews era?

I think our bottom 6 is weaker. That year with O’Rielly and Acciari (also Bunting Lafferty et al. ) was probably a better forward group.

Really miss that elite guy like O’Rielly that can move up and down the lineup. Our biggest hole this year. Laughton, Domi??? Not looking good.

We have 13 games to get it right.

 

[Donnie740]

I think our bottom 6 is weaker. That year with O’Rielly and Acciari (also Bunting Lafferty et al. ) was probably a better forward group.

Noel Accari was and is absolute garbage. You’re going nowhere with a hack like that taking ice time. I still can’t believe he got a $2M x3 deal.

Bunting was a healthy scratch for playoff games - - that’s how irrelevant he was.

Sam LaughAtMe was useless at everything - - couldn’t score, couldn’t fight, couldn’t hit, couldn’t even win faceoffs.

No wonder the Leafs couldn’t get past the first round with such a pathetic supporting cast.

 

[notbias]

Your correct but he doesn’t look anywhere close to the same player he was even a year ago he can’t even make a pass but your right playoffs will determine a lot

We will see what we get out of him... but he's consistently stepped up in the playoffs.

 

[notbias]

Noel Accari was and is absolute garbage. You’re going nowhere with a hack like that taking ice time. I still can’t believe he got a $2M x3 deal.

Bunting was a healthy scratch for playoff games - - that’s how irrelevant he was.

Sam LaughAtMe was useless at everything - - couldn’t score, couldn’t fight, couldn’t hit, couldn’t even win faceoffs.

No wonder the Leafs couldn’t get past the first round with such a pathetic supporting cast.

Lorentz is definitely a downgrade on everyone you mentioned, terrible analysis like usual.

 

[Donnie740]

Lorentz is definitely a downgrade on everyone you mentioned, terrible analysis like usual.

Stanley Cup Champion Stevie Lorentz has scored as many points this year as Noel Accari and Sam LaughAtMe have COMBINED.

Defensively responsible Lorentz is a +3, LaughAtMe is -11, Accari is a pitiful-20.

Lorentz is making $775k this year and those two no-talent scrubs are each making $2M.

In what galaxy would anyone prefer to have Accari or Sam LaughAtMe instead of Lorentz?

 

[Menzinger]

We picked up a big dman who will really help, and he is certainly worth a good 3rd round pick maybe 2nd on a great day. BUT. WE PAID WITH A VERY GOOD PROSPECT. AND A FIRST ROUND PICK.
We picked up a good old hometown boy, with experience, who replaced the 4th line center David Kamph. We may have to still pay Kampf but paying a mear 3rd round choice for this experience down the middle player appears to have benefit and certainly adds depth. But. WE PAID WITH A VERY GOOD PROSPECT AND A FIRST ROUND DRAFT CHOICE.
In one day, we emptied our minor system, gave us the day off on draft day and we don't have to listen to the talking heads and the endless drivel about who we should choose.
What an incredible waste, what desperation. How sad Treliving performance has been.

Eh, I'd hardly call myself a huge Tre fan, but Carlo is a legit second pairing D man who can play tough minutes. You ain't getting a guy like that for a 2nd or 3rd.

The Laughton trade is definitely one that I think is more reasonable to be skeptical of until proven otherwise if the player ever pulls it together

 

[Niagara Bill]

Eh, I'd hardly call myself a huge Tre fan, but Carlo is a legit second pairing D man who can play tough minutes. You ain't getting a guy like that for a 2nd or 3rd.

The Laughton trade is definitely one that I think is more reasonable to be skeptical of until proven otherwise if the player ever pulls it together

Neither one these guys gave a first round value IMHO. Certainly Carlo is superior and will be a big help...but we over paid

 

[Donnie740]

Luke Schenn is washed up and hopelessly slow footed - - along with a $2.75M cap hit - - and he cost the Jets a 2nd plus a 4th.

It’s inconceivable to think Brandon Carlo could have been acquired for anything close to that return.

 

[Dreakmur]

I wish he would have used the 1st round pick and our best non-NA prospect to strengthen our C position

Grebebkin was the Hawk Tuah of Toronto.

He might have been our 10th most valuable prospect, and certainly not better than Neimala.

 

[Legion34]

I don't think there is anything saying they haven't talked, only that neither side would talk about this openly during the season. Both Marner and Treliving said that in September.

If we believe reports, the team did drag their heels at least at the start (and maybe did so with good reason), but then we get into the season and Mitch is not only great again (as expected), he carries us through a time with some pretty significant injuries and fits into a system people said he couldn't fit into. We still can't get it done and now he holds even more cards than he did in September. Treliving has done some great things, but he handled both this situation and the Nylander situation pretty terribly. Not only has Mitch been great for us, he was great for Team Canada, and the cap is going up. It's about the worst situation for the team trying to get him for anything of value. Now you have a comparable that is if Rantanen signed in Toronto, it would've had to be ~13.5 million. Disaster class of negotiating by the Leafs on this one.

All of the recent reports are that there have never been any numbers discussed.

So that can’t be true. Marners camp has shown reportedly no interest in waiving, or negotiating.

The leafs have zero idea what he wants and literally asked him if he wants to go somewhere else numerous times and he has said no.

Kinda nutty. It’s on shanny. Not dubas or Tre.

 

[Legion34]

Neither one these guys gave a first round value IMHO. Certainly Carlo is superior and will be a big help...but we over paid

That’s kind of silly. A 6 5 28 year old top 4 RHD signed for 3x3.5. That trade was fine

 

[notDatsyuk]

I don't think there is anything saying they haven't talked, only that neither side would talk about this openly during the season. Both Marner and Treliving said that in September.

If we believe reports, the team did drag their heels at least at the start (and maybe did so with good reason), but then we get into the season and Mitch is not only great again (as expected), he carries us through a time with some pretty significant injuries and fits into a system people said he couldn't fit into. We still can't get it done and now he holds even more cards than he did in September. Treliving has done some great things, but he handled both this situation and the Nylander situation pretty terribly. Not only has Mitch been great for us, he was great for Team Canada, and the cap is going up. It's about the worst situation for the team trying to get him for anything of value. Now you have a comparable that is if Rantanen signed in Toronto, it would've had to be ~13.5 million. Disaster class of negotiating by the Leafs on this one.

He got Nylander for a fairly reasonable price, especially considering the earlier JT, Matthews, and Marner signings.

Mitch was good for a while, but has faded, he wasn't particularly good in the 4Nations, and Tre showed him by offering to trade him for a better player in Rantanen that his ceiling is $12M.

Not too bad.

 

[arso40]

That’s kind of silly. A 6 5 28 year old top 4 RHD signed for 3x3.5. That trade was fine

Very fine trade a bad trade was sandin the last thing we needed was another forward when our d core was weak

 

[notDatsyuk]

Neither one these guys gave a first round value IMHO. Certainly Carlo is superior and will be a big help...but we over paid

You always overpay at the deadline.

Unless you are one piece away from a deep run (we weren't unless that piece was Makar) you should be very careful at the deadline.

 

[Confucius]

You always overpay at the deadline.

Unless you are one piece away from a deep run (we weren't unless that piece was Makar) you should be very careful at the deadline.

We should never trade away draft picks. The stars of the game come through the draft. Very few come through UFA or trades. 2008 we traded away the 38th pick overall, meh a high 2nd rounder not even 1 first. With our 38th pick the Preds picked Roman Jossi.

 

[LeafEgo]

Neither one these guys gave a first round value IMHO. Certainly Carlo is superior and will be a big help...but we over paid

Nine times out of ten Leafs win the Carlo trade.

The only reason we could take advantage of Boston is because of where the teams are in the life cycle.

 

[arso40]

Nine times out of ten Leafs win the Carlo trade.

The only reason we could take advantage of Boston is because of where the teams are in the life cycle.

I agree I would rather trade someone other than minten with the first but we got a good cap hit and cost control and Hes probably gonna stay with us too id say it’s a good trade all things considered

 

[Burnie97]

Eh, I'd hardly call myself a huge Tre fan, but Carlo is a legit second pairing D man who can play tough minutes. You ain't getting a guy like that for a 2nd or 3rd.

The Laughton trade is definitely one that I think is more reasonable to be skeptical of until proven otherwise if the player ever pulls it together

This is a fair assessment and I don't usually get into these dicussions but I think you always give a pretty even keel reading on a trade etc.

Carlo has been pretty good so far.

Mo hasn't had a great year but I don't believe he's regressed this far. A lot of people are down on him but he'll be fine. Playoff Mo is always better. These guys make millions but life still gets in the way for any human. Married... new baby etc.

As for the rest of the D were kinda set for a while. What they have now is pretty freaking solid if things hold up... regression wise... with age.

Bit if a rant there.

As for Laughton. I still think he's been giving an effort and his last couple of games have looked a lot better. I think he's just finding his way still.

 

[Madap]

I wasn’t super happy about the Laughton trade either, but one thing I’m confident in is that he’ll be a lot better than Jarnkrok or Holmberg in the playoffs.

 

[notbias]

Stanley Cup Champion Stevie Lorentz has scored as many points this year as Noel Accari and Sam LaughAtMe have COMBINED.

Defensively responsible Lorentz is a +3, LaughAtMe is -11, Accari is a pitiful-20.

Lorentz is making $775k this year and those two no-talent scrubs are each making $2M.

In what galaxy would anyone prefer to have Accari or Sam LaughAtMe instead of Lorentz?

+/- shows your hockey knowledge, good job.

 

[Donnie740]

+/- shows your hockey knowledge, good job.

I’ve explained why Stevie Lorentz is vastly superior to Noel Accari and Sam LaughAtMe - - better production on all levels for LESS THAN HALF the cost.

You still haven’t been able to provide anything tangible to support your misguided idea that Accari and LaughAtMe are preferable.

Maybe you have some convoluted stat like “time on the ice without making contact with the puck or an opponent” or maybe Accari and LaughAtMe were really nice about posing for a selfie with you?