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nuck said:
Does it seem like Shanahan expects to survive another 1st round loss in the playoffs? I say thats not at all likely and he will be very incentivized to improve the club at the cost of some futures rather than save things for his replacement. The window is shrinking, JT, OEL and Tanev aren't kids and there is at least a mathematical chance they don't re-sign Marner.

Kyle opened the wallet and added O'Reilly and McCabe a couple of years ago. Spent some futures but IMO it moved the needle and if Sammy wasn't in the net, who knows? The last 3 years Campbell and Samsonov have given them .896, .897, and .898 in the playoffs. It looks like that might not be a problem this season. No Sammy and no Keefe now:thumbu: If they can get players with the impact potential of ROR and McCabe again they need to do it and I think Tre gets that.
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I think Treliving is going to have a very good trade deadline. I have no doubt he knows that this season is potentially the team's best chance to win a Cup.
 
Evilhomer said:
I think Treliving is going to have a very good trade deadline. I have no doubt he knows that this season is potentially the team's best chance to win a Cup.
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This team is now.

There is no future, to not go all in says wait another 8 years for sometime good to happen.

Mathews might not even be here in 4 years .... I could see him go home.
 
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ULF_55 said:
This team is now.

There is no future, to not go all in says wait another 8 years for sometime good to happen.

Mathews might not even be here in 4 years .... I could see him go home.
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OEL Tanev Rielly

Those are now, it's now or never baby signings. Those 3 years from now will consume a good portion of cap and roster spot but be old and likely slow. The teams not fast as is.

Stolarz is hot, 1 more year.

Knies needs paid etc.

It really is now or never.
 
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Gallagbi said:
What makes you say that?
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The downgrade in quality in the rest of the conference. I think it will be similar to the Raptors 2019 season (right down to winning the championship with a new coach). Sometimes you win because everyone else has gotten just a bit worse.
 
Dekes For Days said:
2020-21: 77 points in 55 games
2021-22: 74 points in 55 games
2022-23: 74 points in 55 games
2023-24: 70 points in 55 games
2024-25: 68 points in 55 games

Not really the direction we want to be going.
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However the playoff results have been dismal in all those seasons so I would argue that is not the direction we want to be going.
Let’s face it, Dubas had 5 years with these amazing players to have any type of playoff success and he failed miserably.
No amount is spin can change that fact because the Dubas cord excuse is weak as other team seem to navigate it with much more success then Dubas
 
Need to start identifying players to make these lines gel if we didn’t have a bobby mcmann and a nylander these lines would look even more dysfunctional
 
Evilhomer said:
The downgrade in quality in the rest of the conference. I think it will be similar to the Raptors 2019 season (right down to winning the championship with a new coach). Sometimes you win because everyone else has gotten just a bit worse.
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We're 9th in the league right now and 4th in the conference. Seems to be about normal for the past ~5 years, arguably a touch lower, no?
 
Gallagbi said:
What makes you say that?
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Washington aside the east as a whole is weaker then It's been since about 2015 if not longer, and that includes Florida they look like they might be running out of gas a little bit which isn't totally surprising because They've been to back to back finals.

The Leafs are where they are in the standings while being gutted by injury the entire season.

I would suggest to you that speaks to the quality of the team Treliving has built and that now is the time to strike.
 
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Racer88 said:
However the playoff results have been dismal in all those seasons so I would argue that is not the direction we want to be going.
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They weren't "dismal", and playoff outcomes don't really have a direction. You either win the cup or you don't. Having a worse team doesn't help you win.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Washington aside the east as a whole is weaker then It's been since about 2015 if not longer, and that includes Florida they look like they might be running out of gas a little bit which isn't totally surprising because They've been to back to back finals.

The Leafs are where they are in the standings while being gutted by injury the entire season.

I would suggest to you that speaks to the quality of the team Treliving has built and that now is the time to strike.
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Is the theory here that the talent went to the West?

Or across the league, the current gen of players are weaker than the previous gen?

For what it's worth, Stammer and Montour went West, though Roy, Tanev, and Ranta moved East.

Fewer dominant teams, and more fragmented competitors, actually suggests a higher level of competition in the NHL.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Washington aside the east as a whole is weaker then It's been since about 2015 if not longer, and that includes Florida they look like they might be running out of gas a little bit which isn't totally surprising because They've been to back to back finals.

The Leafs are where they are in the standings while being gutted by injury the entire season.

I would suggest to you that speaks to the quality of the team Treliving has built and that now is the time to strike.
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We certainly don't have a presidents Trophy team in our division, but it still feels about normal to me. We're in line to be the #2 seed in our division v TB. That seems pretty familiar and I'd argue their a better team at #3 than Bos was last year (who we could and likely should have beat)

Florida is 7-3 in their last 10, we're 6-4. I won't claim to know how Florida looked in those wins, but I didn't love some of ours like that Edmonton game.

For me it's a question of whether a new voice can shake the room for playoffs. There isn't much to their play, standings or placement that give me more or less hope at this point.

Did some extra digging out of curiosity - over the last 5 years this current team is

- Lowest for Point %
- Lowest for Regulation Win %
- Lowest for goal differential
- Middle (3rd) for special teams
- Lowest for xGF% 5on5
- Lowest for shot differential

Honestly I'm more defeated now than when I initially asked the Q. Hoping that new voice pays off and the injuries have been more of a barrier than I thought
 
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Gallagbi said:
We certainly don't have a presidents Trophy team in our division, but it still feels about normal to me. We're in line to be the #2 seed in our division v TB. That seems pretty familiar and I'd argue their a better team at #3 than Bos was last year (who we could and likely should have beat)

Florida is 7-3 in their last 10, we're 6-4. I won't claim to know how Florida looked in those wins, but I didn't love some of ours like that Edmonton game.

For me it's a question of whether a new voice can shake the room for playoffs. There isn't much to their play, standings or placement that give me more or less hope at this point.

Did some extra digging out of curiosity - over the last 5 years this current team is

- Lowest for Point %
- Lowest for Regulation Win %
- Lowest for goal differential
- Middle (3rd) for special teams
- Lowest for xGF% 5on5
- Lowest for shot differential

Honestly I'm more defeated now than when I initially asked the Q. Hoping that new voice pays off and the injuries have been more of a barrier than I thought
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I'm not so so sure they are In line to be #2 In the division.

They are 3 points back but they have 2 games in hand.

Now obviously they have to win those games but they do have those games, and because they have those games there is an argument to be made that Toronto controls the division because if they do win those games they will pass Florida.

I saw a chart recently that said that Toronto had the easiest remaining schedule in the NHL so they have that going for them too.

I think they can and probably do win the division and if they don't I think they can beat Tampa, Boston, Ottawa whoever ends up as the #3 seed.
 
Goal Differential the benchmark of contending teams in combination with GA.

Winnipeg currently #1 in the NHL standings is also #1 (+68) in Goal Diff and Washington is currently 2nd overall and #2 (+56) in Goals Diff.

Leafs position in the standings is fragile because at a mere +13 Goal Diff there are currently 5 teams in West and 5 teams in the East >>> Leafs of scoring more while preventing less goals against.

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Winnipeg is also #1 in best GA and Washington #4 while Leafs sit 10th in goals against.

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The Leafs continue to believe (naively IMO) that despite having 4 of the top 12 highest AAV paid players in the game, that it makes them a Cup competitive team despite 10 teams having a better Goal Diff and when the playoff begin and checking gets tighter and scoring lower many teams also allow less goals against.

This makes the current top heavy $$ core 4 roster and lack of depth scoring and contribution a "Cinderella" contender., which has been an easy out now the past 8 playoff years. Minimize the core 4 and you have minimized > 1/2 the Leafs total roster salary cap allocation.

Not until the Leaf can get away from this foolish strategy and build a balanced roster and spread the wealth in a Salary Cap World will they become true Cup contenders and not just pretenders. IMO

Leafs do not have any statistical advantage nor in the standings deploying this strategy and their playoff failures each year only emphasize this flawed strategy further.

Treliving inherited this mess from his predecessor, and not until after this year with both JT and MM contracts expiring can he reshape the Leafs with more Cap flexibility.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I'm not so so sure they are In line to be #2 In the division.

They are 3 points back but they have 2 games in hand.

Now obviously they have to win those games but they do have those games, and because they have those games there is an argument to be made that Toronto controls the division because if they do win those games they will pass Florida.

I saw a chart recently that said that Toronto had the easiest remaining schedule in the NHL so they have that going for them too.

I think they can and probably do win the division and if they don't I think they can beat Tampa, Boston, Ottawa whoever ends up as the #3 seed.
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So at best we come into playoffs a little behind the lockout shortened CDN division?
 
Dekes For Days said:
They weren't "dismal", and playoff outcomes don't really have a direction. You either win the cup or you don't. Having a worse team doesn't help you win.
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Yes winning the cup is the prize but it sure would be nice to win more them 1 round in years. I’m pretty sure most cup winners don’t go from winning 1 round in 2 decades to winning the cup in 1 year.
 
Sypher04 said:
not doing everything possible to fix clear roster issues before the trade deadline and potentially wasting this season would be clear grounds for dismissal
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I think with the pending TED ROGERS deal .
The only thing that might last is the coaching staff and mathews and nylander
 
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Gallagbi said:
We're 9th in the league right now and 4th in the conference. Seems to be about normal for the past ~5 years, arguably a touch lower, no?
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Adjust for man games lost and I suspect the Leafs would be second in the conference and top 5 in the NHL, which is where they will be by the end of the season, especially with their schedule.
 
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