Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Gilmour1996]

Who gets fired for signing domi .

Would you rather have Kerfoot?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I dont think Marner would waive at the deadline, if he asks for 8 million, I dont want that deal, I want some change. Marner will ask north of Nylanders 11.5, no thanks. I personally like Max Domi as the set up man for Matthews plus he adds some grit.

If Marner did waive, Leafs can get a 1st round pick most likely 22-32 range, a defensive prospect recently selected in the 1st round type on the cusp of the NHL or already in the lineup, and other lesser valued assets.

So you want a team that at the time that I write this 1 point out of 1st in the division, and only a couple points out of 1st in the entire east to take Mitch Marner and trade him.

And not only trade him, but trade him for what is essentially magic beans that you HOPE turn into the next Mitch Marner but probably won't because any team would trade for him will not have a high 1st.

That's a bad idea.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

So you want a team that at the time that I write this 1 point out of 1st in the division, and only a couple points out of 1st in the entire east to take Mitch Marner and trade him.

And not only trade him, but trade him for what is essentially magic beans that you HOPE turn into the next Mitch Marner but probably won't because any team would trade for him will not have a high 1st.

That's a bad idea.

I’m not advocating anything related to Mitch but on paragraph one, we have our worst points percentage in the 8 years of the Matthews era. It’s still early (anything pre game 20 is too early) but so far I wouldn’t lean towards “we’re the bestest”.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I’m not advocating anything related to Mitch but on paragraph one, we have our worst points percentage in the 8 years of the Matthews era. It’s still early (anything pre game 20 is too early) but so far I wouldn’t lean towards “we’re the bestest”.

Tell me something, as of the time that I wrote that what did I say that wasn't true?

Here is some more, we have a top 10 PK, Marner is our best PK guy, I don't even think that's up for debate at this point.

As for the points percentage that's true but at the same time I'm not sure it matters, take alook around the Atlantic everybody is floating around 500 or below.

Boston
Tampa
Detroit
Buffalo
Ottawa

All floating around 500, and Tampa hasn't played for a week, last time I checked they were without Point, AND they have Winnipeg tonight, AND they have lost 4 in a row.

Toronto has won 4 out of their last 5 and they have done it without Matthews.

The Leafs aren't perfect, far from it, but all things considered they are in a pretty good spot.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Tell me something, as of the time that I wrote that what did I say that wasn't true?

Here is some more, we have a top 10 PK, Marner is our best PK guy, I don't even think that's up for debate at this point.

As for the points percentage that's true but at the same time I'm not sure it matters, take alook around the Atlantic everybody is floating around 500 or below.

Boston
Tampa
Detroit
Buffalo
Ottawa

All floating around 500, and Tampa hasn't played for a week, last time I checked they were without Point, AND they have Winnipeg tonight, AND they have lost 4 in a row.

Toronto has won 4 out of their last 5 and they have done it without Matthews.

The Leafs aren't perfect, far from it, but all things considered they are in a pretty good spot.

Things can be true while simultaneously not being an accurate reflection of reality. If current reality holds, your truth will no longer be true by the end.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Things can be true while simultaneously not being an accurate reflection of reality. If current reality holds, your truth will no longer be true by the end.

I think you mean if the current reality changes and it absolutely could because as you said It's still early.

But as of today the current reality has the Leafs in a pretty good spot all things considered.

 

[conFABulator]

On one hand not surprising,.on the other it makes the unnecessary multi year extension both men signed off on for Keefe look even sillier

What makes it look silly? They didn't want him going in lame duck. They got the same playoff results and be was fired, quickly hired in Jersey and the Leafs were not on the hook for any of the "silly commitment".

Maybe the Leafs knew that Keefe wanted to keep coaching and would take a job elsewhere and that there would be demand for the coach with highest winning percentage in league history?

 

[LeafSteel]

Dubas left glaring holes at:

Goalie
RHD
Center

Treliving has given us more strength at RHD than Dubas was ever able to accomplish in his entire tenure here.

Treliving has given us more stability in net and continues to build a pipeline, and has exposed how clueless Dubas was when it came to goalies in his entire tenure here.

Next up for Treliving is Center, and I'm very interested to see what he does here. We can hope against hope that Minten can fast track and take over 3C for us, but I don't think that's realistic.

TDL looks like that's when it gets done, but no idea who it would be.

Still think Lindholm was a significant missed opportunity this offseason. Would have moved off a lot of guys to make the numbers work..

 

[WTFMAN99]

I actually sympathize with Keefe a bit, but I think he fell into a common trap of worrying about his job security so he leaned too much on core players and didn't want to deal with projects throughout the season

That's one of those not seeing the forest through the trees problems because if he got more out of the rest of his group, maybe he actually has more success.

Maybe he sees that more now that he's gone.

 

[Mess]

Treliving coaching choice and his new player personnel choices certainty have had a positive impact on the Leafs to date.

No bigger then his goaltending UPGRADE with his goalie top 4 in GAA and SV%.

 

[Menzinger]

What makes it look silly? They didn't want him going in lame duck. They got the same playoff results and be was fired, quickly hired in Jersey and the Leafs were not on the hook for any of the "silly commitment".

Maybe the Leafs knew that Keefe wanted to keep coaching and would take a job elsewhere and that there would be demand for the coach with highest winning percentage in league history?

Because extending a guy who both men seemingly didn't have confidence in was clearly not going to last - which is exactly what happened.

Doubling down on a guy you don't have faith in just feeds into the idea they wasted yet another year (which, aside from identifying that Domi was worth extending was absolutely how it played out)

The lame duck thing for coaches is way overblown. The guy was already overplaying veterans and didn't care about developing younger players. It wouldn't have made any difference

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Dubas left glaring holes at:

Goalie
RHD
Center

Treliving has given us more strength at RHD than Dubas was ever able to accomplish in his entire tenure here.

Treliving has given us more stability in net and continues to build a pipeline, and has exposed how clueless Dubas was when it came to goalies in his entire tenure here.

Next up for Treliving is Center, and I'm very interested to see what he does here. We can hope against hope that Minten can fast track and take over 3C for us, but I don't think that's realistic.

TDL looks like that's when it gets done, but no idea who it would be.

Still think Lindholm was a significant missed opportunity this offseason. Would have moved off a lot of guys to make the numbers work..

He's not really working out in Boston

 

[Evilhomer]

He's not really working out in Boston

I think the only fans lamenting Lindholm are Boston fans, because they are stuck with that contract for many, many years. He is nothing more than a 50 point guy at this point.

 

[LeafSteel]

He's not really working out in Boston

To be honest, doesn’t seem like anything is working out in Boston at the moment, starting with the head coach.

What Boston needs from him is different than what we need from him. He would have been an excellent 2C to centre Nylander and balance out our lines.

Boston putting him into the 1C role was not going to be the fit they wanted.

Seeing Zadorov and Lindholm and the whole Bruins team is a state of dysfunction (by their standards) leaves me feeling all warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[conFABulator]

Because extending a guy who both men seemingly didn't have confidence in was clearly not going to last - which is exactly what happened.

Doubling down on a guy you don't have faith in just feeds into the idea they wasted yet another year (which, aside from identifying that Domi was worth extending was absolutely how it played out)

The lame duck thing for coaches is way overblown. The guy was already overplaying veterans and didn't care about developing younger players. It wouldn't have made any difference

There was no firing Keefe last year, the Tre hiring timing made that impossible. What was the downside for us to extending him exactly?

 

[notDatsyuk]

There was no firing Keefe last year, the Tre hiring timing made that impossible. What was the downside for us to extending him exactly?

We paid him two years' salary while pretty sure he would only be here one year.

Probably the first time in the history of sport that a coach or manager has been let go before the end of his contract.

Since it's not included in the cap, who cares?

 

[Menzinger]

There was no firing Keefe last year, the Tre hiring timing made that impossible. What was the downside for us to extending him exactly?

I don't see any reason why he couldn't have been fired. Having one of the assistants run the year as an interim until Tre settled on an eventual replacement could have been a fairly realistic alternative with not much downside compared to how things eventually played out

In retrospect I think it's just more evidence that neither Shanny nor Tre had a plan/strategy in place which is pretty frustrating.

Tre has improved though with this season as there's at least more of a concrete round of his vision for the team which is nice to see and full credit to him there

 

[conFABulator]

We paid him two years' salary while pretty sure he would only be here one year.

Probably the first time in the history of sport that a coach or manager has been let go before the end of his contract.

Since it's not included in the cap, who cares?

We didn't pay him two years salary though. That's the point. We extended him for two years after last year. When he was hired by the Devils he forfeited the Leaf's deal and money. It doesn't always work this way, but it did here (I believe).

This was my point, if we paid him for anything more than the lame duck year then maybe we could have an issue, as you said it would be a small one as it didn't count against the cap.

 

[notDatsyuk]

We didn't pay him two years salary though. That's the point. We extended him for two years after last year. When he was hired by the Devils he forfeited the Leaf's deal and money. It doesn't always work this way, but it did here (I believe).

This was my point, if we paid him for anything more than the lame duck year then maybe we could have an issue, as you said it would be a small one as it didn't count against the cap.

You're right - he was still signed for one and they added two more. Still, it's just non-cap money, and didn't keep them from dumping him, so who cares?

If it turned out to cost nothing at all, even better!