Dubas is better at assessing/signing goalies, Tre just got lucky and Dubas got unlucky.
Brad Treliving is doing a great job.
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SprDaVE
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Not that I disagree but Jack Campbell was an all-star and had a similar elite start to the 2021-22 season. We forget how good he was 2020 to early 2022. He then fell off hard in the 2nd half of the 2021-22 season and never recovered.
It's very early this season and Stolarz could very well hit a bump. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Right now he looks elite and it's been fun for sure.
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That's not really true. He was a very good goaltender for at least 2 calendar years or so.
From Jan 2020 to Jan 2022, which was before his decline off a cliff, Jack Campbell had a .929% save percentage and a 2.07 GAA. Frederik Andersen was a .897% and 3.06 GAA goaltender in the same span.
No he's not, if that were true he wouldn't have gift wrapped the backup job to Garett Sparls, which he did and it failed.
He wouldn't have tried to make Michael Hutchinson the backup multiple times, which he did and it failed.
He wouldn't have tried to hand Michael Nurvirth the backup job, which he did and not only did that one fail I don't think he ever got a practice with the Leafs, and certainly never played in a game.
He wouldn't have acquired Matt Murray.
He wouldn't have given Jarry the contract he has.
Kyle Dubas is arguably the worst GM the league when it comes to evaluating goalies.
If the fate of the world depended on Kyle Dubas finding a goalie we would all be dead.
It's sarcasm man. Just mocking the usual suspects who take it as a personal insult if you say Tre does anything better than Dubas.
Yep. Campbell had the 7th best GSAx in 2020-2021 too. Samsonov in 2022-2023 had our best total GSAx since 2016-2017 Andersen, and unlike no other goalie we've had, stole us a series-winning game. Stolarz has been great so far though. Currently sits 5th in GSAx. If he brings this in the playoffs, anything is possible.
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When he signed here some of the Florida players, I believe including OEL and Lorentz, spoke up and said that he was a fantastic goalie and that people just didn't realize this because he was stuck in the backup role. They said that they expected him to shine if given the opportunity.
I know it is early, but they are right thus far and I hope it continues. Maybe this is just the opportunity he has been waiting for and he is seizing that opportunity.
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The year we got Campbell he had a .900. Stolarz had a .925. I liked Campbell, but he was always a fidgety, structurally challenging, athletic goalie. Stolarz is calm and cool, I didn't see any similarities really. Dubas loved Sparks, Campbell and Sam, all guys I recall goalie analysts questioning. Anyways, we only have what we have sample size, I've always preferred the little movement, positionally sound goalies like Woll and Stolarz. Also quiet between the ears.
Also, Stolarz was an highly touted guy, until his injuries and last year he had the best metrics in the game, so it's fair to give Tre credit here. Hope it lasts.
Campbell was 0.915 with the Leafs in his first year with us. 0.921 and 7th best GSAx in the league in his second year. 0.937 and an all star selection through the end of December in his third year.
Signing a 2C(7mil), someone like Montour(8mil), and a top 6 winger(5mil) is a good use of the cap space in the upcoming offseason.
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And then he crumbled like a sandcastle at the beach and has never recovered
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Well, if we re talking about his goaltending moves, it's hard to argue the success at this point. A Woll/Stolarz tandem at $3M this year and $5M next year looks like a stroke of genius as long as they have decent health and don't both get hurt at the same time.
Yes, there are other teams with strong(er) goaltending, but we might be saving $5M to $8M on them and there are lots of teams spending more with less results.
...add to that swapping Keefe for Berube, adding Tanev, OEL, Hakanpaa, Pacioretty, and Lorentz and the roster is much improved with his fingerprints all over the improvements.
We should also give credit for re-signing Matthews and Nylander, and not yet re-signing Marner or Tavares. Throw McCabe in too. I think the Liljegren deal with upfront payment made him tradable for some return too.
Yes, the problem is 2 or 3 years down the road, but I am sick of making moves that only avoid long term discomfort. Our window is now and this team is acting like that finally.
On that note the TDL should be interesting and I would like to see Kampf and Jarnkrok moved for space and picks, both of which we can use to acquire a 3C.
Yes, there are other teams with strong(er) goaltending, but we might be saving $5M to $8M on them and there are lots of teams spending more with less results.
...add to that swapping Keefe for Berube, adding Tanev, OEL, Hakanpaa, Pacioretty, and Lorentz and the roster is much improved with his fingerprints all over the improvements.
We should also give credit for re-signing Matthews and Nylander, and not yet re-signing Marner or Tavares. Throw McCabe in too. I think the Liljegren deal with upfront payment made him tradable for some return too.
Yes, the problem is 2 or 3 years down the road, but I am sick of making moves that only avoid long term discomfort. Our window is now and this team is acting like that finally.
On that note the TDL should be interesting and I would like to see Kampf and Jarnkrok moved for space and picks, both of which we can use to acquire a 3C.
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I agree with everything except that I think the previous GM was always in the "our window is now" mode, but just not doing it well. Trading away picks for short term (non) help created our "long term duscomfort".
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Don’t forget the Mrazek signing. That guy had the poorest mechanics for a goalie I had seen since Jiri Crha.
Martin Skoula
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I don’t get the bolded, with Dubas our bottom 6 was two way vanilla clock killers like Jarnkrok and Kerfoot, most of the big ticket adds up front were veteran grinders like Foligno and O’Rielly, the big ticket adds on D other than Barrie were all defense first guys, the smaller adds were mostly more grinders and stay at home D like Schenn and Lyub.
Domi and Klingberg/OEL are easily the most offensively inclined adds we’ve made since what, Barrie? The 3rd line is a young offense-only line now.
I wish Dubas cared about speed and offense as much as people pretend instead of throwing vet grinders at the problem so Sportsnet would stop being mean to him.
The difference between Dubas's vision and Tre's vision is really the Avs and Panthers/Knights.
Dubas wants to build a team like the Avs. Problem is that none of our top guys are Alphas, they are all Betas playing the Alphas roles. Dubas knows that and tried to built a team with supporting players with CHARACTER and Leadership in hopes that those Betas will at the very least be Alphas in 4 of the 7 games in a series. Ofcourse he only succeed ONCE in FIVE years despite pretty much going all in every year.
Due to that, Tre understands that our Betas will probably never be Alphas thus begin building a team that can play a more simple game as he knows the cap are tied to those Betas thus the players he can acquire will be less talented. A team that wants to play a more balance game where they are comfortable winning 2-1.
lol, a pretty harsh analysis with some pretty harsh characterization.
but I pretty much agree with all of it.
That's true that's another blunder by Dubas.
But At least that one eventually brought in Fraser Minten Who looks promising
Martin Skoula
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But the Avs added speed and skill like Nichushkin and Lehkonen, they didn’t add Folignos to the team. Every one of their lines was fast, every D pair had a fast puck mover. We gave up after Barrie, the team got slower older and heavier every year under Dubas.
I really wish Dubas stuck to an Avs vision and kept adding speed throughout the lineup but that just doesn’t match reality even a little bit.
I’m just not seeing how adding Domi up front is a commitment to a less talented balanced team that wins 2-1 compared to the forward adds we made before Tre, Tanev and Lorentz are nice but they’re not changing the DNA of the team.
It’s not a criticism of Tre, he’s doing a better job for now than it looked like he was gonna do, but it’s probably good to be objective about the flaws of the previous teams instead of this weird fantasy that Dubas tried to build a fast skill team when 90% of his adds were slow and not skilled.
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He's not mentally strong enough, he's WAY to hard on himself, I remember who losing games and thinking he was about to cry in the post game interview.
You can't be like that and be a goaltender ESPECIALLY in Toronto.
There is a reason why I never wanted Robin Lehner here, and I don't want Spencer Knight.
I think you need to be a certain level mentally to play here and succeed.
Jack wasn't at that level.
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